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Originally posted by smithjustinb
All is you. Identity is variable. Everything that is done is done by you because all is you. As it is. For this reason, there is no need to change anything. This is what you want. You made it this way. So you love. Thats the only logical response from an individual to the environment which is you. And when you do, you see why you do what you do. You channel yourself through yourself to show you your self and you see limitless glory.
Originally posted by mysticnoon
Originally posted by smithjustinb
All is one. You are the creator. Not you, as the ego, "mysticnoon", but you as the actuality of the universal self which is all. By being one with the universe, you are everything you see and everything that exists that you dont see. All is one self.
What is this "universal self"? Is this anything like Consciousness (or the ground of consciousness)? God?
Originally posted by mysticnoon
Originally posted by smithjustinb
All is one. You are the creator. Not you, as the ego, "mysticnoon", but you as the actuality of the universal self which is all. By being one with the universe, you are everything you see and everything that exists that you dont see. All is one self.
And what do you mean by "all is one"? I can imagine how you and me and everything participates in consciousness, and in this sense we are all one, but I believe that even divested of ego-identity, a core of individuality remains.
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Originally posted by mysticnoon
Originally posted by smithjustinb
All is one. You are the creator. Not you, as the ego, "mysticnoon", but you as the actuality of the universal self which is all. By being one with the universe, you are everything you see and everything that exists that you dont see. All is one self.
In your "all is one" universe, where is the music and who is playing it?
Originally posted by mysticnoon
Originally posted by smithjustinb
Everything is you. Thats all there is to know. Once you know that, understanding comes on its own.
This flies in the face of the view that I am nothing.
Originally posted by smithjustinb
All is you. Identity is variable. Everything that is done is done by you because all is you. As it is. For this reason, there is no need to change anything. This is what you want. You made it this way. So you love. Thats the only logical response from an individual to the environment which is you. And when you do, you see why you do what you do. You channel yourself through yourself to show you your self and you see limitless glory.
Originally posted by Itisnowagain
Originally posted by mysticnoon
Originally posted by smithjustinb
Everything is you. Thats all there is to know. Once you know that, understanding comes on its own.
This flies in the face of the view that I am nothing.
You are nothing. And this here is nothing appearing as everything.
This is nothing happening.You are all that is - nothing appearing to happen.
Emptiness is form.
Originally posted by vethumanbeing
Originally posted by Itisnowagain
Originally posted by mysticnoon
Originally posted by smithjustinb
Everything is you. Thats all there is to know. Once you know that, understanding comes on its own.
This flies in the face of the view that I am nothing.
You are nothing. And this here is nothing appearing as everything.
This is nothing happening.You are all that is - nothing appearing to happen.
Emptiness is form.
You are no thing because you appear as no thing. You are Godform Plasma which has no form, you are an idea of form not yet transmuted; you at this point are very young in gestation. Nothing seems to be happening but everything you ever are or will be is happening. BEHOLD YOURSELF/YOUR BEING. IT is a grand thing to see GOD as yourself EXISTING.
Originally posted by smithjustinb
The universal self is you when you identify yourself as being the universe.
Originally posted by smithjustinb
Consciousness is the ground of being, but not the totality of it. Consciousness is the essence of being- the isness of being, but requires input.
Originally posted by smithjustinb
So it created the universe in and of itself. The totality of the self is everything.
Originally posted by preludefanguy
It is better to experience the truth and not know what to call it than to know what to call the truth and not be able to experience it.
Originally posted by mysticnoon
I do not follow how consciousness creating the universe equates to "the totality of self" being everything.
You see, my issue is with this ubiquetousness of "self". To my understanding, in love there is only other, not the self. Total love means forgetting self and being absorbed in the beloved.
Originally posted by preludefanguy
It is better to experience the truth and not know what to call it than to know what to call the truth and not be able to experience it.
Originally posted by Itisnowagain
In the beginning there was nothing and God said (god must be nothing) let there be light - then there was light and God saw it was good.
Originally posted by Itisnowagain
I am emptiness appearing as the ever formless never formed endless river.
Originally posted by mysticnoon
Originally posted by Itisnowagain
In the beginning there was nothing and God said (god must be nothing) let there be light - then there was light and God saw it was good.
So was this God... self? If self was nothing, who was saying, let there be light? Self was nothing, then become something?
Look, I do realize that spiritual concepts are not easy to discuss, but for me there needs to be a minimum of intuitive reasoning inolved. Plus, I am still wondering, where is the love?
Does self love self, or is self love itself? Either way, I do not find it particularly inspiring.
Originally posted by mysticnoon
Originally posted by smithjustinb
All is one. You are the creator. Not you, as the ego, "mysticnoon", but you as the actuality of the universal self which is all. By being one with the universe, you are everything you see and everything that exists that you dont see. All is one self.
What is this "universal self"? Is this anything like Consciousness (or the ground of consciousness)? God?
And what do you mean by "all is one"? I can imagine how you and me and everything participates in consciousness, and in this sense we are all one, but I believe that even divested of ego-identity, a core of individuality remains.
I see creation as an immensely huge orchestra, and all the focal points of consciousness within it are the musicians playing a different instrument, emitting unique sounds and melodies. In your "all is one" universe, where is the music and who is playing it?
Originally posted by smithjustinb
There is creative will involved, so that makes all one creator. Even the rock, wih no individual consciousness is still one with all,so therefore the sand of beaches and neptune is writing these words. Its all one. Everything the ego "mysticnoon" does is being done by everything through "mysticnoon". There is no separation.
We are all connected, I get that, but I cannot grasp being "one creator". To me, it is akin to saying that the reflection of sunlight in the bowl of water out on my verandah is one with the Sun. It is connected to the Sun, and exists only by virtue of the Sun, but it does not co-create with the Sun.
I appreciate your efforts to clarify this for me. There seems to be a growing number of people who espouse this "all is one" philosophy, and I feel I am failing to get a proper grasp of it.
Originally posted by smithjustinb
All is you. Identity is variable. Everything that is done is done by you because all is you. As it is. For this reason, there is no need to change anything. This is what you want. You made it this way. So you love. Thats the only logical response from an individual to the environment which is you. And when you do, you see why you do what you do. You channel yourself through yourself to show you your self and you see limitless glory.
Originally posted by vethumanbeing
And you are probably the same as I.
Originally posted by mysticnoon
Originally posted by smithjustinb
The universal self is you when you identify yourself as being the universe.
You see, my issue is with this ubiquetousness of "self". To my understanding, in love there is only other, not the self. Total love means forgetting self and being absorbed in the beloved.
edit on 6-5-2013 by mysticnoon because: (no reason given)