If it came down to it, and you saw no other option....would you start a revolution?

Not me personally, but I would join in.

You do not want the ensuing Chaos.

reply to post by tadaman

It wouldnt be to win....it would be to simply kill as many of them as possible. By "them" I mean the political class and the captains of the banking industry. I am not even suggesting limiting it to a single country. I am asking if you would start a world wide revolt. No borders, no limits. The whole planet would be fair game.

The "Whole" planet is quite a [undertaking]. This present corruption we all are suffering through is not something new, and in fact I believe, something very old. I like to see it as the Old World Order, with a New World Order face. I have given this subject great thought.

Corruption is like a disease, in order to defeat it one must destroy every single germ. Otherwise, eventually, it will come back just as strong. We had a "Revolution" once in our American History and you see how it turned out. The core of the Global Corruption was left in tact. It was once tried on the entire human population here on the earth, and we came back stronger than ever.

An armed insurrection against the targets you point out would be folly at best and only give us an extended timeline. Replacements would be ordered and retaliation the likes of which humanity has never seen would ensue.

In the past I have mentioned cutting the snakes head off, for is this not the true enemy? A corruptive mindset let loose upon mankind that will ultimately end in what you suggest. There is another part of this story that suppressed and hidden, and it is killing all of us!!! Has not anyone else noticed that technology and knowledge of the human body is at a all time high? How could humanity travel a thousand years in just one decade? Who or what is responsible for this explosion of knowledge of such things as nuclear power, the physical effects of mercury and fluoride, communism, talmudism, human sacrifice, and a endless list of self destructive mind sets. Who gave us the sword and shield in the first place? Someone or thing gave us smart monkeys a loaded gun, and didn't teach us how to use it safely. Ted Kazinski knew the dangers of this technology and had no avenue to share his concerns.

I often wonder why humanity with all its technology and intelligence did not follow in a similar path of the TV series "Star Trek". And the answer returns because, we are not free to. We are not even free to explore our own planet and reveal what we have discovered here on our home planet. The fakery of Google Earth is blatantly obvious with its "Fog" and whited out areas. And why is it fogged out? Because it would show "The Man Behind The Curtain", thats why. How can you have a successful global revolution with half the equation missing?

The fear of death is a very powerful tool being used upon us every day. But fear can only go so far, a 50 cal can go farther.

Its kind of like that old movie "The Wizard Of Oz", you only have to neutralize one wicked witch. Simplistic? Childish? Then in the greatest humility, I stand guilty as charged. We might not be able to extricate ourselves from the hellish corruptive matrix we live in but if there was some way we could release all of those who reside in the living "hell", maybe then, they could help us destroy our "Hell".

reply to post by All Seeing Eye


yeah,

I think that would be the actual revolution. You see I think such acts of aggression that I speak of in this hypothetical situation would lead to others. The bad apple syndrome. The selective targeting of leadership would be a catalyst for other such ventures until a united and actual revolution would erupt.

It would be taking for granted the powder keg and throwing matches every where you go.

The end result would not be something you could even count on seeing, much less having a say in. That end result of an effective revolution would be molded by the politically minded. The people actually fighting the battle wouldnt have time to care about who won and what their plans were. They would be exclusively concerned with the eradication of the enemy.

Like you said, every germ. They wouldnt believe in any end result until every last one of the former power players was gone. That would leave them pretty damn tired of life and opinions. as long as the job was done, it would be hard for them to have a problem with what ever form of leadership emerged, as long as it wasnt part of the old one.

The first instances would be labeled as isolated crazy people, and would not be expected to be seen as anything other than that even after (if) the war was won.

To those first, it would be pure revenge since there wouldnt be little hope for victory, there would be NO hope. It would simply be picking a fight and forcing the hand of power to make any move....from there on their purpose would have been already served. Anything else after that would be about surviving for them. If things did catch on, (doubtful) they would probably join.

But a torturous and bleak death would be their expected future. They would have to accept that. They would have to expect that for their loved ones and everything they touch. It would be scorched earth for them.

BUT, people have done some crazy and impressive things even when faced with that prospect in the past.

who knows.

I would go to war. I would invoke all that is SHIVA and become the destroyer of worlds...

All authority is appointed by God - either to punish or bless.
Every single civilisation that has ended has been ended by your Creator.
Those in authority are there because of us and the path that we have chosen.
We lie - we get liars as leaders.
We murder - we get murderers as leaders.
We are hypocrites - we get hypocrites as leaders.
We love violence - we get violent leaders.
We reject Jesus Christ - we get "shiva".
We reject families and morality - we get sexual perverts, child molestors, you name it

Can you not see how our own iniquities get poured right back out on our heads?

Rebel against your government, and you are rebelling against what He has put in place. This is no game, this is no joke. "Revolution" is a horrible joke when you think about it, because you are rebelling against leadership which just reflects the state of our collective society and men void of the Holy Spirit - in AND out of many of our churches. There is darkness in man.

How about a real revolution? Asking your Creator to grant you saving faith so that all of those things are addressed at the root cause. Voila - those wicked leaders fade away.

reply to post by TheNewRevolution

Bahahaha.

The majority of Americans are "comfortable".

That is a good one.

Let me rephrase that for realism sake. The wealthy Americans are comfortable. The wealthy Americans make up a very small portion. The rest of the Americans are brainwashed on the idea that if they "work hard" and "follow the dream" they too could become wealthy.

Just because a growing minority can't figure out how to become successful or how to not be jealous of everyone else's success doesn't mean the majority of Americans feel the way you do.

Not only that, but it takes a portion of wealth to have a successful start to a battle. Nothing major, but the ones who are against revolution are only there because they have the wealth. Take it away and they are just like every other man and woman in this dying country.

More class envy!

The question is: if given the chance would I start a revolution? Would anyone? We all have the chance, and the answer is not "if" the answer is "when" will I decide to start that revolution?

Because I can and I will.

And who is your enemy? Who are you revolting against? Everyone with more money than you?

Originally posted by LesMisanthrope
If the majority of people wanted a revolution it would've happened already.

We are slowly but surely approaching the threshold. The 'minority' in this case is becoming something.

It would've happened true, but that does not mean that it won't.

To answer OP and every other government agency watching. YES. IF THAT'S WHAT IT TAKES.

The thing is, the United States is losing it's centralization of power,
the revolution doesn't need to begin there to effect real change. It would be better but the truth is..
It could spread.. and it is... the mere fact we are discussing it at all..

reply to post by WhoKnows100


I have given everyone a star so far. Even those that called me a shill or a psycho.

I actually meant yours. I agree. With one exception.

It is not that our leadership reflects us like a mirror. That would be great. The problem is that it does not.

What you describe is a very cabalistic belief. That we are as one in our actions and connected to varying degrees to God...and our earthly actions effect celestial ones.

Well, what if they are influencing us by being violent corrupt, and morally void?

What if they are the rebellious ones in sin?

Would it not be our duty to sever the link they have to us so as to stay in proximity to our "God"....?

Cut away the sin?

i would
second

reply to post by tadaman


The "top" of the world's problems don't live in the USA, and are very gaurded. The people need "insiders" to turn.

A couple public executions would start something. But, big question, who's going to end up on "top" after all this?

I would go the passive resistance route.
I and my family all have hands on skills.

We don't need them and 'the meek will inherit and all that' you know.

reply to post by WhoKnows100

Those in authority are there because of us and the path that we have chosen.

Really? Oh ,,Really? Every single time we get a elected official that truly cares about our plight, BAM, ONE TO THE HEAD! Any good person we try to get into office is black balled, written off, made a fool of. So its really our own faults that we allowed SECRET SOCIETIES to manipulate our power structure? Yea, I voted all the good, kind and loving individuals into office, knowing full well what they secretly plot!

Be a good Christian, do not question authority, turn your cheeks, and kiss your, you know. Now this creator God you speak of, is he the same one that tried to drowned all of us a few years back? Yea for sure I want him on my side......

We lie - we get liars as leaders.
We murder - we get murderers as leaders.
We are hypocrites - we get hypocrites as leaders.
We love violence - we get violent leaders.
We reject Jesus Christ - we get "shiva".
We reject families and morality - we get sexual perverts, child molestors, you name it

All of this and more are straight out of the TALMUD!!! Are all of our Rulers, owners, advisers, Talmudists? Seems like it! But please get your story straight, Im not a Talmudist, nor a Christian, and Im not responsible for the printing of that book. You want to start throwing blame around, dig a little deeper.

reply to post by Happy1


Yet those insiders will never come. Ever. EDIT: They would be one of the targets for perpetuating the problem and they would know it/ do know it.

The truth is this is entirely a hypothetical situation, but if it were to happen ,it would hinge on people just saying "screw it" and starting somewhere. If it were to kick start, and have any success the victors would see it as their obligation to bring the front to any remaining bastion left where their enemies could rebuild their power to just infiltrate their system once again and start it all over.

it would be a world war until they were all gone.

Like if Greece had a revolution and got rid of every last semblance of old power and then turned to Italy and said, "either give us these people /kill them, or we are coming to get them."

Like if after the American and French revolutions, if they would have asked Russia to help them Purge the world of what they KNEW was out there, biding its time.

That mistake of NOT doing that could not be allowed to happen twice. If it did come down to it, its all or nothing. No peace. PUNISHMENT for centuries of death, theft, and destruction towards the human race and only then peace. Balance by their judgement being carried out and not before sine it depends on them not being here anymore.

Thats how I see it at least.

your physical body is going to die one day anyway, whether as an old man, heart attack, disease, accident, who knows. But knowing that we are here on Earth temporarily is vital.

Now imagine a scenario where the Gov becomes pure Fascists/Dictator/Socialist/Communist/Marxist Combo and they're out there raping women, killing people randomly, shooting kids, etc.

If, and that's a big IF we get to that point, how would you not do something about it?

How about a meditational sit in revolution, and focusing psi on shutting down all the elites weapons of mass technology, drones and virus, radiation. If enough did this, with or without taking to the streets, uniting intentions, we'd win.

reply to post by Unity_99


yeah I dont know.

Personal spirituality is effective at many things. But ridding your planet of centuries old power hungry and wicked men can only happen by their acceptance of us as equals, or their literal and complete death.

Hey who wouldnt want them to just say one day "hey, we want to come clean and help our species prosper as IT WILLS, not as WE WILL, no more BS from here on".

They would kill off everyone that wasnt cool with them being like gods on earth. SOOOOooooo

I think if it came down to it I would be more comfortable with them in the ground. They would REALLY REALLY have to earn our trust again. I dont know if they could honestly.

They would need A HUGE show of trust and to follow through. They would also need to eliminate everyone who would be a problem within their ranks that would oppose the new situation before we would trust again.

I just dont see it happening from them unless they were on the brink of death and NEEDED us.

I would trust them if they were all dead. Sorry for my words, but I will not deny it. They have killed countless numbers of us and caused unfathomable horrors to mankind. I am not God to forgive that big. I am just a mortal man. I couldnt unless they earned it.

EDIT:
They would also have to have some form of atonement. They would need to take on a task that was a sacrifice for them that benefited mankind. They and all their generations to follow. The imbalance caused by what they have done and where we SHOULD be would fall on them to rectify. They would need to make things right again. If not We would without them in the way.

But again, knowing them, dead is the best option. They would kill us all in a heart beat if they thought they could replace us like spilled milk.

reply to post by TheNewRevolution

Bahahaha.

The majority of Americans are "comfortable".

That is a good one.

Let me rephrase that for realism sake. The wealthy Americans are comfortable. The wealthy Americans make up a very small portion. The rest of the Americans are brainwashed on the idea that if they "work hard" and "follow the dream" they too could become wealthy.

Not only that, but it takes a portion of wealth to have a successful start to a battle. Nothing major, but the ones who are against revolution are only there because they have the wealth. Take it away and they are just like every other man and woman in this dying country.



The question is: if given the chance would I start a revolution? Would anyone? We all have the chance, and the answer is not "if" the answer is "when" will I decide to start that revolution?

Because I can and I will.

To start a revolution you must first have a solution to the problem, unless you propose we trade what we have for anarchy. If you want to tear down foundations without having any idea what to build in its place, you would be promoting barbarism and thoughtless action plain and simple.

People talk about revolution, income disparity, chasms between rich and poor, all while continuously putting money into their pockets. The best idea for a revolution I've heard is to stop buying it. Don't give them anything. Don't buy the new iPhone. Don't watch their advertisements. Stop going into their stores. Stop giving them money for s##t you don't need. Stop paying for our own oppression.

How are "they" to blame when we're funding it? They're not. They are merely supplying a demand.

When will you decide to start your revolution? Hopefully after you've at least thought about it.

No.

I'll let someone else get killed, then I can swoop in and enjoy their hard work.

I'd rather be a scavanger than a predator.

reply to post by LesMisanthrope


That is supposing that their world can all be avoided. Like if it was all live and let live. It is not. Name your corner and they or their influence is there.

Also, I have not read of any revolution in which the initial stages were about BUILDING something they had in mind (though I am sure many DID have something in mind). Most were just acts of desperation to RID them selves of something unbearable.

It is a sure guarantee that SOME FORM of organization would emerge from mankind. I highly doubt we would move back into caves and live "la vida MAD MAX".

I have much more faith in people once removed of all the BS that you mentioned (which I agree is BS) that they would be what we are at heart. If we were so self destructive we wouldnt have made it this far. That is social programming that we somehow "need" these "responsible men" to keep our world turning. Fact is, we would do just fine without them. Better I think.

Name your ISM, and we would make it work without them messing it all up, playing all sides for their benefit. ANY form of government that the diverse human race employed over any one of its lands would work without them working for ruin at every turn and at every angle.

You know, how we made it this far as a species.....before them.

EDIT:
the solution? walk into ANY conversation where people are discussing how to fix what seems like the crux of the worlds problems to them. Instead of those conversations ending in "what can you do ,right?"....they would KNOW that what they just thought of COULD be done.

People do have many great ideas. The problem is that they are a problem to those that rule us because they are empowering and.....good....so they seem like pipe dreams.

Absurd right? Good ideas for mankind being a problem....THAT is insane. That something good for us all can be fought against because a few dont like it. Because ACTUAL liberty and truth and ALL that would ruin the whore fest that they have going on at the cost of our collective detriment.....Insane, isnt it.

reply to post by LesMisanthrope

How long do you think it would take before the machine stopped for good? 1 week, one month, one year?

reply to post by tadaman


I agree with you. Structure would eventually return. But rash decisions lead us nowhere.

What would we do when we revolt? We would likely destroy property our dollars created. We would change one dictator for another. We would wage war against our own country, government, and essentially ourselves. We have evolved enough to not go down the destructive path.

To think the people are not in power is a cop-out. The odds are...what...99.9% vs .1%? These are the greatest odds in favour of the people I've ever seen. All we have to do stop giving them money, stop making them rich, stop falsely relying on them, stop depending on them, stop digging our own graves and complaining when they're too deep.

The people hold the power, but the majority refuse to wield it. All it takes is a single vote. Even "TPTB" know that.