Judge: Feds Can’t Make Domino’s Founder Offer Birth Control

reply to post by Wrabbit2000


It sounds to me that under the umbrella of "devote", "religious" and "Christian" many of this corporate mobsters are getting away from providing their employees with needed health care

That is what i see behind the veil of anti contraception controversy nothing but an excuse.

Originally posted by daryllyn
I think it is more immoral to deny birth control for people who might not be ready to have children.

Also, birth control pills do more than just prevent pregnancy; they can regulate cycles, reduce ovarian cysts, reduce the symptoms of PMDD (severe PMS), and even clear up acne. There are so many other medical uses that I don't think it's right to deny the employees access.

Of course, they could always go elsewhere to get it.

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I don't think the issue here is whether or not birth control is moral or immoral.

The issue here is if an owner of a company should be forced to provide a practice that would defy his personal religious beliefs.

If company policy can dictate whether a Nurse can allow someone to die do to company policy.. I see no reason why a company owner can not dictate whether or not to offer a service that is contradictory to his beliefs in morality.

He still offers benefits..

reply to post by daryllyn

I think it is more immoral to deny birth control for people who might not be ready to have children.

I completely agree. My wife even uses it for other such purposes that you mentioned.

However, I also agree that an individual has a right to run his own business the way he sees fit, and that includes his own religious views without government mandating practices that are immoral in his religion. Up to the employees to either accept those concerns, or get such things elsewhere. And this is from a guy who hates organized religion, but respects the Constitution.

Originally posted by marg6043
reply to post by Wrabbit2000

 

It sounds to me that under the umbrella of "devote", "religious" and "Christian" many of this corporate mobsters are getting away from providing their employees with needed health care

That is what i see behind the veil of anti contraception controversy nothing but an excuse.

It sounds to me like under the umbrella of socialistic entitlement many pizza employees are getting away with unrealistic expectations of what their employer is obligated to give them.

That is what i see behind the veil of arguing for rights of employees while trampling those of the employers. Don't like the insurance, don't like the company morals, don't like the policies, find another job. Asking the government to force employers to give you something you don't deserve is no different than panhandling.

I wonder if Domino "founder" allows sexual and impotence drugs (aka cialis and viagra) that help men get a natural gain of sexual lust, desire and ability to perform sexually. in his male employees health insurance.

Its your business and your decision! They are making ppl go against their beliefs in order to satisfy others beliefs. If you want BC so bad go to the many places that sell it or out right give it out for free.

Originally posted by buster2010
Show me in the constitution where is says a company is a person? Companies do not have the right to freedom of religion.

Corporate Personhood has been upheld by legal precedent beginning in 1819 and continues to this day. Whether you agree with the rulings or not corporations are afforded most of the same rights as private citizens.

Originally posted by marg6043
I wonder if Domino "founder" allows sexual and impotence drugs (aka cialis and viagra) that help men get a natural gain of sexual lust, desire and ability to perform sexually. in his male employees health insurance.

Well, if he does, I would call him a hypocrite and say while it is still his Constitutional right to refuse allowance for birth control, his position morally, ethically and rationally is one of poor character and intent and would further more personally denounce him as a person without integrity.

Using some logic I have seen by the people who support the birth control allowance and in playing devils advocate in doing so I would say....... Why not, they don't just treat ED they increase blood flow and are used to increase vascular function.

Why would they stop here, once they realize it's in their power to stop whittling away at our insurance coverage... The problem with this action is that it makes it okay for other corporations to do the same. Once the rest of american businesses decides to pull this crap, then we have a problem. I'm sure that Dominoes insurance is not at all close to good insurance already, but if birth control is a part of it, then Dominoes has no place pulling birth control out of the process. This may be just a baby step in letting big business have even more control over the health coverage of a large part of working Americans. Some people don't have a choice where thy work! Taking away the meager controls over there lives is not good for anyone, including Dominoes. Thing is... The more low income children being born tomorrow, the more low quality pizza getting made. Sad that it comes down to this. Too bad I don't eat that crap, if I did I'd quit...

Maybe they should compromise and provide free condoms with every pizza delivery?

Originally posted by ausername
Maybe they should compromise and provide free condoms with every pizza delivery?

Or maybe with just the Meat Lovers.

Originally posted by Helious
Using some logic I have seen by the people who support the birth control allowance and in playing devils advocate in doing so I would say....... Why not, they don't just treat ED they increase blood flow and are used to increase vascular function.

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Sadly under the assumption of what you call just there I got you, my friend, actually you can not get cialis or viagra on the basis of wanting to perform sex, but under medicinal purposed you can under your employer insurance.

So yes, hypocrisy, hypocrisy, hypocrisy just like you said and yes even Medicare part D covers for "limited" that is between doctor and patient male enhancement drugs.

Yeah, hypocrisy at its finest.

We are still in a very much male controlled world after all.

Originally posted by AugustusMasonicus

Originally posted by ausername
Maybe they should compromise and provide free condoms with every pizza delivery?

Or maybe with just the Meat Lovers.

I rest my case on this one as I am speechless.

reply to post by buster2010


No its a matter of not being able to tell a business owner what he can and cannot do in what he decides to give away. This is about freedom not religion.

I believe in birth control but not the government telling me I have to provide contraception to my employees.

The most in contraceptives I give my employees is this: I yell stop F-ing around a couple times a day! :shk:

Originally posted by marg6043
I rest my case on this one as I am speechless.

It is all about the marketing Marg.

Imagine the Superbowl commercials.....

Originally posted by AugustusMasonicus

Originally posted by ausername
Maybe they should compromise and provide free condoms with every pizza delivery?

Or maybe with just the Meat Lovers.

That is an option, but you know that the vegetarians would bring in legal teams and sue based on discrimination.

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I can only imagine the repercussions of it, after all the "complainers of everything will make a big issue"

Originally posted by marg6043
I can only imagine the repercussions of it, after all the "complainers of everything will make a big issue"

I think if more people actually had a sense of humor things would be better. The 'complainers of everything' need to lighten up.

reply to post by grey580

Here's what worries me. The oral contraceptive is part of the law. Under law you have access to them.

Ever hear of Family Planning??? They have these clinics everywhere! Low to no cost and anyone is able to go there for "the pill". This is nothing more than the government creating MORE division amongst it's serfs, so that they fight over NOTHING amongst themselves, instead of fighting SOMETHING TOGETHER against the government!

This is nothing more than people who are against religion, wanting to take their rights and beliefs away from them!

BTW, I am not a Christian and do not believe in God in the traditional manner.

However, I DO BELIEVE IN THE CONSTITUTION, that once made the United States of America one of the greatest countries in the world to live in. Today? Not so much.

I thought that this whole issue of the government forcing people to buy things was already settled with the Supreme Court?

Does anyone remember the phrase, "Commerce cannot be compelled"?

It's a shame that the owner Dominos feels he has to push his silly religious beliefs onto his employees though.

Can anyone point out in biblical texts where it specifically forbids people from using birth control? If it's in the OT then it should be regarded as irrelevant, because of the NT. Christians can eat pork, after all.

ETA: If he won't pay for birth control he shouldn't be paying for his employees to get things like Viagra as well.