Why Does Circle K Scan My Driver's License When I Buy Beer / Cigarettes?

Originally posted by 123143
Who do you think is breathing down corporate necks about drunk driving?

It has nothing to do with drunk driving . . . could you not comprehend what I wrote?

It's about the K getting fined for breaking the law and not ID'ing for purchase. Everyone under 40 is supposed to be ID'd. Some stores are more lax, but some managers won't take the risk and do everyone. If they do get fined they can check the records to see if it was scanned or manual.

It doesn't record your personal info . . . it simply allows the transaction on certain items.

reply to post by Socrato

Every time you let them scan your ID you're only feeding the beast.

That depends on what they are age checking for. I don't want my Son getting into the downtown clubs at 16 or 17 and he's growing large and tall. He may just pass well enough if not for ID, especially in a college town.

I don't mind ID checks when what is being controlled makes sense. Like access to adult establishments (Bars, not just porn..lol) where those who are underage have no business being.

Professional counterfeiters or well equipped DIY's can dupe the bar codes but it adds a whole new level of difficulty to do that AND get all the visual markings right. Certainly not within the realistic ability of your typical teenager. At least not yet. (Hopes it's at least several more years...please please )

reply to post by Signals


In my experience, Mainly I would check the picture (because if not a fake, they could just use anyone's ID, therefore making the whole process moot), and I would check to see if the ID is from a different country (read Canada or even the US Virgins), as our readers wouldn't be able to "see" the info.

Also, at some places, you can manually bypass the "age check", just by typing in a date of your choosing. Of course a report could be run to see if a cashier is using the same date, therefore not doing their job. (Yes the date is saved...at least at the gas station I worked at.)

reply to post by LightSpeedDriver


Maybe the cashier hates your guts because you are a cranky old person and just wants to piss you off more?

Maybe their manager/owner told them to scan every purchase, regardless of age, or you're out the door?

Maybe the cashier was responsible for a fine and if they get one more they lose their job?

In this economy, if it could cost me the only job I had . . . I'd scan a 100yr old, if I had to.

reply to post by solomons path


I'm sorry I didn't read the whole thread... What liability issue? There's a liability issue involved with carding an old woman for cigarettes? ....? Or what are you referring to?

Originally posted by Ringadingasaur
reply to post by solomons path

 

I'm sorry I didn't read the whole thread... What liability issue? There's a liability issue involved with carding an old woman for cigarettes? ....? Or what are you referring to?

Nope but their certainly is a liability risk associated with selling cigarettes or alcohol to an underage customer.

Haven't you seen Clerks¿

reply to post by solomons path


But would you scan your 100 yr old great grandpa?



That's the whole point of the argument here.




Edit: BTW, if you feel scanning your own 100 yr old great grandpa to verify his age is sane, then you're nuts, man. No offense intended.


Like one person said, WE don't check to see if the people selling us alcohol/cigs are of age? Even though (mostly Liquor store) employees often bring their children in to make sales, take over temporarily while they take a break, etc...

How is this any more practical that you should card your 100 year old grandpa?

Having read the ops piece the following can be stated:

Having worked in and ultimately having managed several convience stores, the absolute nightmare for any manager is to get a letter or a call stating that one of their employees sold an age controlled substence, alcohol and tobacco, to someone who is underage. And it is a nightmare that starts and can end up with alot of headachs for the person and ultimately the company that hires that person. As a result they put into place policies, that many find to be an inconvience for the customers, such as asking for ID for every purchase. If the system is as I suspect, it requires an actual birthdate that is put in to verify the birthdate, and it can be confirmed with the video tape to show that the person did indeed ask for an id.

And as much as we do not want to admit it, teenagers will come up with fake ID's to try to get such items. It also sounds like this is an issue that Circle K has been hit with in the past, combined with that cops will run undercover sting operations to try to catch clerks selling to underage persons. It varies from state to state. I know in the State of Texas, if a clerk sells to someone who is underage, there is no letter, the person is arrested right then and there and taken to jail.

Now it may stink, yes it does, but here is the other side of the argument, if an employee refuses to do such, then they can be terminated for employee misconduct. Having worked for a station that had a carding policy, and it was at times hard, where customers would take out their frustration, threaten and ultimately make complaints all for me just doing my job, and they don't want to hear that I could lose my job, but I did it, and even had to call cops in a few times which backed me up, and the person ultimately ended up with either a warning or a citation.

Where is your ID information stored, it is on the back of the ID card on the magnetic strip, it has been there for a few years. The only people seeing that information is the DMV that issues the ID, the machines that are reading the ID's are not displaying your personal information for the clerks to view.

But before you go off and take it out on the clerk, you might try asking the manager or even for the customer service number and talking to them. Though the question should be how much in fines did they have to pay in the past year, and if it is a large number, it could be that Circle K can no longer afford to be lax in its policies, and is seeking to cover the company assetts.

Gas stations unfortunately are often targets when it comes to the blame of underage smoking or drinking, they are the ones on the front lines, and the teenagers really don't get a slap on the hand, while the store and the employee take the brunt of the punishment. So there is your choice, a company taking the extra step to prevent such, and protect itself, or one that takes a chance and end up closing due to fines that it can not pay.

Wow, do I really have to break it down? Unbelievable.

The root objective is to stop underage drinking and underage drinking deaths. Who drives that bus? The gubmint!

Jesus H.

Originally posted by Ringadingasaur
reply to post by solomons path

 

I'm sorry I didn't read the whole thread... What liability issue? There's a liability issue involved with carding an old woman for cigarettes? ....? Or what are you referring to?

Stores can get fined for not ID'ing on every purchase. That is why you always see the signs that say "We ID under 40" . . . these are state mandated. Depending on the owner/manger they may just tell their employees to ID everyone regardles . . . or any of the other scenarios I posted above. Kids can lose their jobs over it.

If you are clearly past 40, maybe that cashier just does it to all so they never make a mistake?

reply to post by sdcigarpig




OK OK OK OK OK OK OK OK OK OK OK OK OK OK OK


WE ALL GET IT. we GET that Teenagers can be tricky, believe me we UNDERSTAND the liability aspect... and that sometimes it's better to ID than to NOT ID.


That's NOT the point. What about your GRANDMA WHO COMES IN TO BUY CIGARETTES...

Originally posted by Ringadingasaur
reply to post by sdcigarpig

 

OK OK OK OK OK OK OK OK OK OK OK OK OK OK OK


WE ALL GET IT. we GET that Teenagers can be tricky, believe me we UNDERSTAND the liability aspect... and that sometimes it's better to ID than to NOT ID.


That's NOT the point. What about your GRANDMA WHO COMES IN TO BUY CIGARETTES...

edit on 14-3-2013 by Ringadingasaur because: (no reason given)

Lets say I work in a store that has now received 3 warnings about selling to underaged customers and the next will result in a huge fine or some other penalty.

If my manager told me to scan everyone no exceptions or else I am losing my job you can bet I would scan my mother , my grandmother and anyone else that came in.

reply to post by solomons path

It doesn't record your personal info . . . it simply allows the transaction on certain items.

How in the world can you be sure of that?

Are you upper Mgmt. Circle K?

reply to post by solomons path


"Stores can get fined for not ID'ing on every purchase. That is why you always see the signs that say "We ID under 40" . . . these are state mandated. Depending on the owner/manger they may just tell their employees to ID everyone regardles . . . or any of the other scenarios I posted above. Kids can lose their jobs over it.

If you are clearly past 40, maybe that cashier just does it to all so they never make a mistake? "



This is contradictory, stores can get fined for not ID'ing on EVERY purchase but they only ID under 40 at the same time? So they DON'T get fined for not ID'ing every purchase? Those two things are contradictory and make no sense.

Originally posted by 123143
Wow, do I really have to break it down? Unbelievable.

The root objective is to stop underage drinking and underage drinking deaths. Who drives that bus? The gubmint!

Jesus H.

What does cigarettes or porn have to do with drunk driving? What does buying lottery tickets have to do with drunk driving? How about buying propane? States have age limits to certain activities and patrons must be ID'd . . .

But if you want to believe it's all about drinking . . . be my guest.

reply to post by Signals




Who cares if it does record/expose your personal INFO? Are you all so deluded? If you think that's the point, then you're lost on the opposing argument behind this.

There are CAMERAS in the store anyway watching what you buy. Who cares if they tracked your purchase?

Police have ALL your info anyway... who cares if they expose your info? The Gov't can find out whatever they WANT about you. Being afraid at this aspect of the introduction of the mark of the beast is being just a bit paranoid. Very paranoid. So what if they have your info at this point? They already DO.

Not the point here.

reply to post by solomons path




Ok, so you need to ID your grandpa and grandma for all those things?



Oooooooooooooooook..... "it's just procedure" is how they're gonna get you guys. Watch.

reply to post by opethPA




Then I would no longer work for that company. I like working for logical employers. Or is this something you're slowly giving up.... logic to maintain job security?

Yes, the answer is yes you are. And that's what they want you to do... slowly give up all logic for the sake of job security. Slowly, slowly, slowly... step by step.

Yea, that might seem ridiculous now... but just a'keep a'lookin ahead and watch. Gets worse every day.

reply to post by Ringadingasaur





You're saying you would work for a company that would fire you for not ID'ing your grandmother in other words?


Well..... well then....

reply to post by Signals


No . . . I can't be totally sure. Maybe Circle K is recording your personal info and lying to their employees that it just allows or disallow the transaction on age restricted items. Maybe the manager that told me that was making up the whole liablity issue, even though I know exactly where he is coming as a business owner in a fine happy and litigious society.

Heck . . . maybe it isn't even for the government. We've already touched on the "mark of beast", so maybe it gets downloaded to the anti-christs brain? Maybe to the mothership, so the Alien overlords know not to collect the DNA of those that poison their bodies?

I'll leave you guys to debate the hoarding of your info for the universal overlords . . . I'm done administering medicine to the dead.