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Originally posted by DarthMuerte
They ARE NOT PRIVILEGES! The second amendment is a God given right.
Originally posted by Zcustosmorum
Take it out on the people who abused the Second Amendment privileges mate, I know it's like school, one guilty pupil means the whole class gets punished but hey, something was always gonna be done
It's unclear how many of the 19 options the president would eventually take up. Those options could include more aggressively enforcing existing gun laws, beefing up national research on guns and ordering stricter action against people who lie on gun sale background checks.
They could include ordering tougher penalties for gun-trafficking offenses and ordering federal agencies to make data on gun crimes more readily available.
no - it is a congress given right.
White House Press Secretary Jay Carney announced this afternoon that President Obama will unveil a “concrete package” of gun control proposals including assault weapons bans, high capacity ammunition magazine bans, and closing loopholes on background checks.
Carney said that the president will be joined by Vice President Joe Biden as well as children who wrote to the president after the Newtown shootings.
“They will be joined by children around the country expressing their concerns about gun violence and school safety, along with their parents,” Carney confirmed. (See video of Carney's remarks here.)
President Obama specifically mentioned children during his December speech in response to the shooting.
Originally posted by butcherguy
reply to post by Aloysius the Gaul
no - it is a congress given right.
If I am not mistaken, Congress was created by the US Constitution.
Article 1 Section 1
All legislative Powers herein granted shall be vested in a Congress of the
United States, which shall consist of a Senate and House of Representatives.
So you are saying that a part of the Constitution(Amendment 2) is given to us by a body created by the Constitution(Congress)?
IOW, the Congress exists courtesy of the Constitution. The Constitution trumps Congress.edit on 15-1-2013 by butcherguy because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by jibeho
White House Press Secretary Jay Carney announced this afternoon that President Obama will unveil a “concrete package” of gun control proposals including assault weapons bans, high capacity ammunition magazine bans, and closing loopholes on background checks.
Carney said that the president will be joined by Vice President Joe Biden as well as children who wrote to the president after the Newtown shootings.
“They will be joined by children around the country expressing their concerns about gun violence and school safety, along with their parents,” Carney confirmed. (See video of Carney's remarks here.)
President Obama specifically mentioned children during his December speech in response to the shooting.
washingtonexaminer.com...
Who can say no to a Stuffed Shirt who surrounds himself in a "fatherly" manner with beautiful children and a smile. All while quietly wiping his feet on the Constitution that he stands on daily...?
Disgraceful!!
Be very wary of what is happening right before our very eyes..
Originally posted by kaylaluv
You guys do know the difference between an executive action and an executive order, right? An executive action is anything the president can do legally and constitutionally that doesn't require congressional approval. The items I see listed in the OP's article are not horrific.
It's unclear how many of the 19 options the president would eventually take up. Those options could include more aggressively enforcing existing gun laws, beefing up national research on guns and ordering stricter action against people who lie on gun sale background checks.
They could include ordering tougher penalties for gun-trafficking offenses and ordering federal agencies to make data on gun crimes more readily available.
Read more: www.foxnews.com...
None of these seem like impeachable offenses to me - they just seem like common sense. I saw somewhere that another possible executive action is to allow schools to use some of the federal education grants to go for more security for schools. Wow - isn't that horrible.edit on 15-1-2013 by kaylaluv because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by deadeyedick
It's the other actions not reported that call for confiscation of all unregistered guns and banning all guns.
“All these beefy Caucasians with guns. Get enough of them together,looking for the America they always believed they'd grow up in, and they glom together like overcooked rice, form integral, starchy little units. With their power tools, portable generators, weapons, four-wheel-drive vehicles, and personal computers, they are like beavers hyped up on crystal meth, manic engineers without a blueprint, chewing through the wilderness, building things and abandoning them, altering the flow of mighty rivers and then moving on because the place ain't what it used to be. The byproduct of the lifestyle is polluted rivers, greenhouse effect, spouse abuse, televangelists, and serial killers. But as long as you have that four-wheel-drive vehicle and can keep driving north, you can sustain it, keep moving just quickly enough to stay one step ahead of your own waste stream. In twenty years, ten million white people will converge on the north pole and park their bagos there. The low-grade waste heat of their thermodynamically intense lifestyle will turn the crystalline icescape pliable and treacherous. It will melt a hole through the polar icecap, and all that metal will sink to the bottom, sucking the biomass down with it.”
You like guns huh? Slight over-reaction mate, I don't trust politicians much but how could anyone in that position actually sit back and do nothing after Sandy Hook? Forget false flag theories etc., it is simply impossible to disarm America, but something had to be done
Originally posted by Zcustosmorum
Originally posted by CosmicCitizen
Forget false flag theories etc., it is simply impossible to disarm America, but something had to be done
That is probably what the Russians, Chinese and Cubans thought also......
Take it out on the people who abused the Second Amendment privileges mate.....
Originally posted by deadeyedick
Originally posted by kaylaluv
You guys do know the difference between an executive action and an executive order, right? An executive action is anything the president can do legally and constitutionally that doesn't require congressional approval. The items I see listed in the OP's article are not horrific.
It's unclear how many of the 19 options the president would eventually take up. Those options could include more aggressively enforcing existing gun laws, beefing up national research on guns and ordering stricter action against people who lie on gun sale background checks.
They could include ordering tougher penalties for gun-trafficking offenses and ordering federal agencies to make data on gun crimes more readily available.
Read more: www.foxnews.com...
None of these seem like impeachable offenses to me - they just seem like common sense. I saw somewhere that another possible executive action is to allow schools to use some of the federal education grants to go for more security for schools. Wow - isn't that horrible.edit on 15-1-2013 by kaylaluv because: (no reason given)
It's the other actions not reported that call for confiscation of all unregistered guns and banning all guns.
Originally posted by jibeho
Now for the kicker!!
Obama plans to surround himself with children when he makes his big anti gun announcement tomorrow. Creepy and quite reminiscent of a notorious WWII Tyrant who was famous for his use and manipulation of Children to influence public opinion and the greater good...
Originally posted by Aloysius the Gaul
Originally posted by DarthMuerte
They ARE NOT PRIVILEGES! The second amendment is a God given right.
Originally posted by Zcustosmorum
Take it out on the people who abused the Second Amendment privileges mate, I know it's like school, one guilty pupil means the whole class gets punished but hey, something was always gonna be done
no - it is a congress given right.
Adopted through the process of joint resolution of Congress on September 25, 1789, and came into effect as Constitutional Amendments on December 15, 1791, through the process of ratification by three-fourths of the States.
sorry about that.
NO. They did not. The Constitutional convention did. Even they did not "give" us those rights. The acknowledged them as hereditary, a gift to all freemen from a loving creator. "Rights" are never "given" by government, privileges are. The Constitution was meant to define and restrain the power of government. Government derives it's "power" solely from the consent of the governed. It is time for the governed of this nation to withdraw our consent.
Originally posted by Aloysius the Gaul
Originally posted by butcherguy
reply to post by Aloysius the Gaul
no - it is a congress given right.
If I am not mistaken, Congress was created by the US Constitution.
Article 1 Section 1
All legislative Powers herein granted shall be vested in a Congress of the
United States, which shall consist of a Senate and House of Representatives.
So you are saying that a part of the Constitution(Amendment 2) is given to us by a body created by the Constitution(Congress)?
IOW, the Congress exists courtesy of the Constitution. The Constitution trumps Congress.edit on 15-1-2013 by butcherguy because: (no reason given)
all true - but not actually disagreeing with me at all.
the constitution is jsut a bit of paper unless there are means to give it effect. teh means to give it efect are teh laws greated by congress, and congress and het states have het means to alter - amend - the constitution.
It is a neat circle, but it is congress that carried out the action to legally create the 2nd amendment.