Why isn't abortion murder?

reply to post by captaintyinknots

Oh I grasp that making it illegal is far more government control..

Originally posted by vasaga
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Oh I grasp that making it illegal is far more government control..

So then how can you possibly use the 'government control' argument in favor of your view? Seems a bit hypocritical.

Like I said, im all for it. lets take the government out of it altogether. That way, it goes without question that it is a personal choice.

reply to post by captaintyinknots

I can agree that it should be a personal choice, provided the precautions of avoiding pregnancy have been taken, and it happened anyway in an unwanted manner due to only accidents or rape.

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My original reply got lost due to an issue with my ipad. But here is my response that never was, but now is.

Originally posted by vasaga
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I can agree that it should be a personal choice, provided the precautions of avoiding pregnancy have been taken, and it happened anyway in an unwanted manner due to only accidents or rape.

So then it isnt about personal choice at all, in your view. You want to restrict it. You are saying "if these conditions are met, you can make the choice". That is not freedom to choose.

reply to post by captaintyinknots

It is still about personal choice. The restriction is there to show where I consider it ok and where I consider it wrong. People can still choose to abort after their own messy BS, but, I will not approve of it, nor will I support it.

Originally posted by vasaga
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It is still about personal choice. The restriction is there to show where I consider it ok and where I consider it wrong. People can still choose to abort after their own messy BS, but, I will not approve of it, nor will I support it.

fair enough, and no one is asking you to approve of it.

everyone is free to have their view on this matter, and I support that. Like I said earlier, THAT is why the legal definition becomes so important.

why isnt birth controls pills murder, its the same thing

To be honest, I think abortion is a side-issue. Not because it's not something worth talking about, but because it's something that has arisen due to how our society works. No one really tries to solve the problems that cause people to want to abort. Pretty much on how no one investigates what exactly creates sociopaths, murderers, criminals and so on. We mainly look at how to deal with them when they are there, and we don't look on how to avoid these things in the first place. Abortions probably wouldn't be a problem if we would've had well-educated (I don't mean being brainwashed in school), thinking, responsible people in our society. But society rarely produces those kinds of individuals.

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But how can a women abort a baby without consent of the man. If a women can make a baby by herself sure she can do whatever but the man also contributed to the life. Women will say "it's my body" but I'll argue it's half my baby. I think abortion is murder but I also know that there are too many starving people on this planet. I will just let murders murder if I can't stop it and they will have to answer to their god for their actions. If they never wanted a child for what ever reason then they shouldn't have sex. If I go to the store and take home a free puppy and then decide later I never wanted it does that mean I can just kill it? People will say a fetus isn't a life because they will find any excuse to make them feel better about ending a life.

If a fetus is allowed to grow to full term it will be a live crying baby so how is a 1 day old baby =/= a 40 week old baby?

IMO -
I am anti-abortion & pro-choice.

FACT -
The 'Law of the Jungle' dictates that the Mother has the right/power to decide the fate of Her Offspring.

reply to post by marbles87

But how can a women abort a baby without consent of the man. If a women can make a baby by herself sure she can do whatever but the man also contributed to the life. Women will say "it's my body" but I'll argue it's half my baby.

What a man donates during sexual activity is considered a gift. When a man can carry half a baby term, then your argument will carry some weight.

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That infuriates me. When that baby is born is it any less than half mine? So how is it not mine at all until it is born. Is its genetic material not mine? If I get a DNA test will it say I have no genes in the child. So if two people buy a dog is it only the persons who pays with their card (womb) or is it the others who put the money on the card? What will happen when we has artificial wombs. Will the mans seed still be a "gift" then or will the women still have full control.