A Question for the British People

reply to post by smyleegrl

An American last year asked me why the country was celebrating the Queen's Diamond Jubilee, and my comment was that she was regarded as a kind of "universal grandmother"; so we got together in the same way as a family gets together for a grandmother's eightieth birthday. That side of things goes back to Victoria (and apparently Prince Albert was responsible for cultivating it).

.The other element you will notice in these replies (and I haven't read them yet) is the streak of resentment. But this is related to the adolescent and/or left-wing resentment of the Establishment, and it's all very abstract. Probably none of the people expressing their resentment have been positively injured by the royal family; they're just hating an idea.

Don't believe anyone who says either "Everybody loves" or "everybody hates". It varies by politics, social class, temperament..

Originally posted by michael1983l

Originally posted by pavmas

Originally posted by michael1983l
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I agree pavmas, but I do think that the Queen does treat all of us as equals. I think the disparity you mention is purely an issue with our laws and they need updating. I do not for one minute think that the Queen see's Catholics as lessers of protastants. She made a very brave visit to the Republic of Ireland just recently that shows that she does want to have greater relations with the Irish state which is prodominantly Catholic. Aside from quoting the law of the land, there is no evidence that I am aware of that indicates that the Queen discriminates against Catholics.

I totally agree with you, and if you are going to have a figurehead then no one is better placed than the queen.

I actually like the Queen' she was trained for a job and does it well and if she met me in person she would treat me no different to you.

But its the establishment thats she represents I have problems with and the discrimination involved,

Think for one moment, all this banning Catholics to protect The Church Of England, what if the future monarch was Atheist, they would be snookered then would they not.

Yes Pavmas, we are beginning to agree. I have a list as long as my arm with things that I despise about our establishment and I think many aspects of our society and laws descriminate certain groups and that makes me sick. You have done well to highlight areas regarding the Catholic faith of which I never kinew before today so I commend you for that. But our establishments descrimination doesn't just come down to religious faiths, there are other groups as well. In fact I think that by far the largest group descriminated against is the poorest in our society, regardless of their colour, religion or gender.

But this thread is about our Royal Family and that is one thing that really makes me proud to be British.

I think it depends what part of the Uk you come from, dont suppose they have this problem in Sandbanks

Originally posted by woodwardjnr
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I just don't like the way the British public fornicate over the queen and the rest of the firm. I don't like the idea of putting a very unimpressive family on a pedestal with no direct challenge.

Fornicate over the Queen; Hell that image is going to stick with me I am never having sex ever again.

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Why didn't you alert the MODS now we will all have that image of you fornicating with the queen

Originally posted by woodwardjnr
reply to post by michael1983l

 

I just don't like the way the British public fornicate over the queen and the rest of the firm. I don't like the idea of putting a very unimpressive family on a pedestal with no direct challenge.

We'll just have to agree to disagree on this point. I think you will find that when the Queen goes on foreign visits, she is always met with the greatest respect. Plus the body language of so called powerful people like Obama and Bush when he was president shows that she is by no means unimpressive, if you compare this with visits of british Prime Ministers then you will see a massive difference. Normally the British Prime Minister behaves like the lap dog to the President. When the President meets the Queen, it is always the other way around. I saw a detailed documetoary on body language that highlighted this fact excellently.

Originally posted by boymonkey74
reply to post by hotel1

 

Why didn't you alert the MODS now we will all have that image of you fornicating with the queen

STOP you are just reinforcing it, what is the visual equivilent of sticking your fingers in your ears, and singing la,la,la.

Sorry OP I did not mean to derail your thread but my telly's on the blink, and my digital radio due to interference sounds like a broadcast from the Dalek Home world.

Well I think that the overall opinion is, that The Queen is fine and she does a good job.

But the establishment needs to move with the times.

If the Uk wants a monarch the that Monarch has to be for all citizens and we should all be equal.

Originally posted by hotel1
Sorry OP I did not mean to derail your thread but my telly's on the blink, and my digital radio due to interference sounds like a broadcast from the Dalek Home world.

No worries, my friend!

Originally posted by smyleegrl

Originally posted by hotel1
Sorry OP I did not mean to derail your thread but my telly's on the blink, and my digital radio due to interference sounds like a broadcast from the Dalek Home world.

No worries, my friend!

Cheers mucker the only thing Ive got left to do is post on ATS, or go on youtube and goof out on some rock videos.


mmmmh Girls Aloud, Teenage Dirtbag aaaah

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What's a mucker? Not up on my British slang.....

Originally posted by smyleegrl
reply to post by hotel1

 

What's a mucker? Not up on my British slang.....

Its another way of saying mate, pal, friend, or to put it in the terms our superb American friends can understand, buddy.

Warm regards

reply to post by smyleegrl

I have lived in the UK for quite a while now..
The monarchy instils no sense of pride or nationalism in me. Most of the British populace care little to none about their affairs and despite popular opinion (more like confusion) they do not represent our values nor our culture.
If you want to learn about british people i'd probably look elsewhere.. british humour can tell you alot about them
Peace.

I see a lot of people saying the queen does a good job, but what exactly is her job? is she just the highest payed public relations officer in the world or does she actually do something to make the country and the lives of the people better?

The very fact that these people think they have some sort of special divine right to rule makes my blood curdle.
They swan around the country with their fake smiles and their condescending waves.
I don't watch the TV any more so i never keep up to date with all their fiasco events.
I kinda wish they would just go away, but i know that the masses of people are still hypnotised by some sort of royal spell they conjure.
They are just humans, not any more special that any other monkey on this rock.

Originally posted by smyleegrl
Greetings, ATS and my British friends,

I have a question and I hope you can help me better understand this. My question: how does the average British citizen view the monarchy?

smylee

Hi Smylee - I can't stand them, I think they are imposters and they have no right to sit on the crown of England. Our last English monarch was arguably Ellizabeth the 1st who died in the early 1600s.

there are lots of reasons why I feel and think the way I do. I might add, I seem to be a lone voice within my friends and family - they all think i am talking rubbish,

However I am not - I believe that the monarchy of England has been achieved through bloodshed and treachery and terrible injustices to the people of England - and Ireland and Scotland.

They make me sick actually.

The best thing that ever happened to England was Oliver Cromwell who chopped off the head of the lovely French / Scottish imposter to the English throne.

Queen Victoria and her ilk were German imposters that were placed on the English throne despite only being about 50th inline - to prevent the Catholics being restored ..

Henry the 8th who forced the conversion of the English people from Catholicism to Protestants, who dissolved the monastries with Thomas Cromwell was an evil antichrist.

So I am no fan of the royal family .. they are not even English,[ well William on his mothers side is mostly and Kate is.]

The alternative - does not bear thinking of ie Tony Blair as president - so for now I believe we should maintain the status quo and let sleeping dogs lie,


Addit: some people say Richard the 3rd was the last English king - the last of the plantagenets - killed in Battle, recently they discovered his body and soon he will be given a kings burial !

Originally posted by michael1983l
reply to post by smyleegrl

 

smylee,

I think you are asking in the wrong place if you want an accurate answer to this question. I believe many ATS'ers who are British will not appreciate our Monarchy because they are prone to believing conspiracy theorys, thats why we are here right? The truth is that most of society do not have much of an opinion on the Royals and then you get the polarised pro Royal's and Anti-Royal's of which I would say there seems to be about a 50/50 split. The last 12 months, with the Royal Wedding and the Olympics though has done the Monarchy a world of good as it has given back some national pride to some that had began to lose it.

I myself am very pro monarchy in its current format with its current incumbents. I personally think that the Royal Family keep their noses out, where it doesn't belong, whilst still providing us with a unique national identity. The Royal Family aside from a few like Andrew are great ambassedors for the UK and they work tirelessly. Our British heritidge is rich and our Monarchy is a big part of that, it is a constitutional Monarchy so that sits well with us.

You get those that moan about having to pay for them and that they are freeloaders, but the reality is that we each pay 20 pence a year towards our Monarchy in taxes and the money brought in for Tourism is exceptionally greater than what they cost us. Diplomatically as well they command a lot of respect around the globe mostly because they have done their role so well.

So be careful when you are listening to the Royal bashers on here, their voices are generally not as loud in a true cross section of British society.

For me, it's pretty much as Michael here said.

I wouldn't listen too much to Pavmas and his rants about discrimination either. If anything, send him some salt, vinegar and possibly some tomato ketchup for that incredibly large chip he seems to have on his shoulder.

well, for me they are just crappy imposed pseudo-mascots who own a whole heap of stuff that they dont have any right to, bar the fact that some distant relative was better at attracting thugs to their cause a thousand years ago or whatever. and breathe...
that being said, despite my opposition to her position, old liz has her act down to a fine art and deserves some credit for that, but i'd still insist she ought to live in a council flat and freezes under a blanket all winter on a diet of rich tea and homes under the hammer.

Hi, this has been becoming one of my specialist 'bug bears' lately,

When I was a kid, I loved the Queen, even had her on my biscuit tin, wowed when she was on TV etc!

Obviously as you get older you look into things more. I've become against the monarchy now. It's so archaic and out of touch but it's still being rammed down our throats by our media - BBC/ITV and Sky, 'news'papers. Its like our media has become the Royals very own PR wing. I've lately joined this Facebook page - www.facebook.com... - transparent to who's watching I know but most of what it posts I agree with.

The news has become a joke, all its fawning and constant Royal stories to show us 'they're different to us' and put us in our place of the 'commoner' who is privileged to be breathing the same air. We've had Kate Middletons pap/holiday photos, such a scandal that everyone saw her breasts?! It became more of a big deal because of the fawning press furore. The nurse 'committing suicide' at Kate's recent morning sickness hospital stay, the media were again ridiculous with that, instantly blaming the prank DJ's without even knowing the previous mental state of the nurse, that whole story was really suss, even read one that she was found alive first but I can't find the link to put here.

The whole Queens Jubilee was shocking if not for the media coverage then for the costs involved while the country is in recession - www.dailymail.co.uk... - yet the money was found for it by donating 'cough, tax dodging' businesses, corrupt bankers and the like, it alls trudges back to being out of the peoples pocket. Meanwhile redundancies are rampant, benefits are being cut and the population is suffering. If the queen really did care about her country and people then she'd forgo all the crap and be happy with a little birthday cake from Greggs then the money can be used a little more sensibly (too much to ask?). How many houses does she have, how much land do they 'own'. I'd have a little bit of respect for her if that's what had happened but no, it's all about the image. Any austerity measures our governments advocate are meaningless and hypocritical while this crap is going on, not to mention funding rebels in countries where they have special interests in there being regime change, bailing out banks etc. A monarchy is the definition of discrimination.

The Olympics were pretty great I thought, even though I thought I wouldn't like them. You can't deny the achievements of the athletes, amazing. What stuck in my throat though was the usage of the Royals in this, Bond should have thrown the Queen out of the helicopter without the parachute, would've been more patriotic I think. If she'd''ve have even cracked a smile, I might've thawed out a little bit, but no...too much to ask.

When you look properly into their history its shocking - what the Queen mother was actually like, Prince Phillips nazi roots, how inbred they all are, how their official history is re-written to delete 'mad relatives', mad from the incessant inbreeding, recently managed to watch Unlawful Killing (banned in the UK - definitely watch if you have the chance) - I'm sure that's part of why pirate bay has gone down proper, lots of twitter links to. Lots of suspicious killings on their property quickly hushed, whispers of them being into satanic rituals. So many bodies, pledge their allegiance to the Queen. Just how all the pomp and circumstance 'image' means so much to them - they're the basis of the destructive 'stiff upper lip' attitude, cold and calculating, no empathy.

I've had discussions with work colleagues about this and they don't agree with me, my viewpoint feels like it's in the minority in Britain, the media are doing their job well. Inevitably in conversations, you get around to the point of them being so good for tourism and the economy. My counter to that is that they're actually terrible for the economy with all the houses they own to start with and the upkeep coming out of our pockets, all the holidays they have etc. With the tourism I think any benefit, if any, is localised to London, Windsor Castle, Edinburgh etc. Not many people are going to be buying a plate with the Queen on in say Manchester, or Newcastle. Any money gained from tourism would still be there if the Royal Family was abolished, the stately homes, castles and palaces would still exist for tourism. Doesn't seem to affect the tourism in France with the Eiffel Tower etc or Egypt with all it's heritage, do they still have Pharaohs?!

An alternative? An elected president or council I would say but there's so much corruption in politics, what is the real answer? Bit disheartening

Peace out x

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I kinda of understand where you are coming from and have some sympathy.

I am definitely still in the pro Royal camp but, to be entirely honest, i am not so sure why (when i really think about it). I like the current form of monarchy but if they were to try and take over (politically active), i would lose my respect and my tolerance.

Then again, i would have loved Queenie to stage a coup when Tony Blair and Gordon the Grump were in charge!