Schools closing and 2nd teen dies of flu in MN; she had flu shot

Yep, for all the people saying "oh I didn't get the shot and didn't get sick so HA!", guess what? I had the flu shot, I work in a pharmacy, I'm pregnant, and still haven't caught the flu. I am in contact with NUMEROUS people with the flu every day. So apparently it worked for me.

I will admit after getting this flu it definitely felt a lot stronger than last years so I can only bet what others are going through right now. While I may have gotten over it rather fast it was definitely a harder kick to my whole body than what I was used to. Sad that she lost her life

If you get the flu (whether you go the flu shot or not) there's not much that can be done besides treat the symptoms, treat the fever, try to keep hydrated and rest, the flu is a virus, you can't kill it like you can a bacterial infections (like strep) with antibiotics, if you get anti viral's (that only work if taken 24-72hrs after exposure and even then might not work) all they do is help stop the virus from reproducing it doesn't actually kill it. All that being said you don't know how healthy this girl was, sure she might not have a history of any illness, but you don't know what her diet was like, that can have a HUGE impact on your bodies ability to fight off infection. Also YOU CAN NOT GET THE FLU FROM THE FLU SHOT!!!!! It's not possible, you might get a cold or a DIFFERENT strain of flu after the shot but the shot is not going to give you the flu, it's a dead virus with the inability to reproduce, put there so your body has a chance to learn what it looks like and build a defense for when/ if it ever see's it again.

Looking back on this article from 2010 it sure seems BIG PHARMA has our best interests in mind. This maker of Paxil settled a large lawsuit for knowingly distributing adulterated drugs. This is just a reminder of what they'll do to protect their billions.

GlaxoSmithKline settes bad drug case for $750m

Truth is that we really don't know for sure whether these flu shots are good or bad for any of us. Each year they change the actual vaccination, such as last year the shot had protection for Influenza A and B and Swine Flu. They rush these things to market so how do we really know if they are safe. Health officials recommend these shots for everyone without studies to make sure they are safe...so when you get the flu shot you have become the lab rat! You are becoming the safety study.

Originally posted by RN311
If you get the flu (whether you go the flu shot or not) there's not much that can be done besides treat the symptoms, treat the fever, try to keep hydrated and rest, the flu is a virus, you can't kill it like you can a bacterial infections (like strep) with antibiotics, if you get anti viral's (that only work if taken 24-72hrs after exposure and even then might not work) all they do is help stop the virus from reproducing it doesn't actually kill it. All that being said you don't know how healthy this girl was, sure she might not have a history of any illness, but you don't know what her diet was like, that can have a HUGE impact on your bodies ability to fight off infection. Also YOU CAN NOT GET THE FLU FROM THE FLU SHOT!!!!! It's not possible, you might get a cold or a DIFFERENT strain of flu after the shot but the shot is not going to give you the flu, it's a dead virus with the inability to reproduce, put there so your body has a chance to learn what it looks like and build a defense for when/ if it ever see's it again.

The flu shot can weaken your immune system, well, according to this article

All vaccines are immune suppressive—that is, they suppress your immune system, which may not return to normal for weeks to months. Here are just some of the ways vaccines impair and alter your immune response:

Some components in vaccines are neurotoxic and may depress your immune and brain function, particularly heavy metals such as mercury preservatives and aluminum adjuvants

The lab altered vaccine viruses themselves may further impair your immune response

Foreign DNA/RNA from animal tissues can wreak havoc in your body and trigger autoimmunity in some people

Vaccines may alter your t-cell function and lead you to become chronically ill

Vaccines can trigger allergies by introducing large foreign protein molecules into your body that have not been properly broken down by your digestive tract (since they are injected). Your body can respond to these foreign particles in the form of an allergic reaction

The flu vaccine may also pose an immediate risk to your cardiovascular system. One 2007 study published in the Annals of Medicine concluded that: "Abnormalities in arterial function and LDL oxidation may persist for at least 2 weeks after a slight inflammatory reaction induced by influenza vaccination. These could explain in part the earlier reported increase in cardiovascular risk during the first weeks after an acute inflammatory disorder."

Source

When I was in the Marine Corps I tried refusing a flu shot because like some of you said, i wouldn't get sick until I got the shot. So I made it about a week of refusing the shot, and it went all the way to my commanding officer and i had to talk to him. Me not getting the shot is aka disobeying an order. To avoid trouble i got the shot, and sure enough, 2 days later my nose is running, i have a fever and im sneezing like crazy. I'm out now and no one will scare me into getting another one.

Originally posted by paxnatus
I would like to know where you read that if you get the vaccine once you always have to get it. As a nurse I can tell you, that there is no medical evidence backing this up. You have been misinformed.

Of course there is no "medical evidence" to suggest that!

If there was, do you honestly think they would make it public?

Originally posted by iSHRED
When I was in the Marine Corps I tried refusing a flu shot because like some of you said, i wouldn't get sick until I got the shot. So I made it about a week of refusing the shot, and it went all the way to my commanding officer and i had to talk to him. Me not getting the shot is aka disobeying an order. To avoid trouble i got the shot, and sure enough, 2 days later my nose is running, i have a fever and im sneezing like crazy. I'm out now and no one will scare me into getting another one.

Sorry to hear that. Unfortunately, the military is the first line of guinea pigs that BIG PHARMA has lobbied for. That's an easy one because all you have to do is spread some wealth at the top and then it's all about 'obeying orders.'

You'll remember this debacle of flu vaccinations from 1976.

Swine Flu vaccines result in deaths

At the CDC, Sencer solicited the opinions of infectious disease specialists nationwide and, in March, called on President Ford and Congress to begin a mass inoculation. The $137-million program began in early October, but within days reports emerged that the vaccine appeared to increase the risk for Guillain-Barre syndrome, a rare neurological condition that causes temporary paralysis but can be fatal. Waiting in long lines at schools and clinics, more than 40 million Americans -- almost 25% of the population -- received the swine flu vaccine before the program was halted in December after 10 weeks. More than 500 people are thought to have developed Guillain-Barre syndrome after receiving the vaccine; 25 died. No one completely understands the causes of Guillain-Barre, but the condition can develop after a bout with infection or following surgery or vaccination. The federal government paid millions in damages to people or their families.

In this case it was the same thing - the military was the first ones lined up without even a safety study. The vaccine was rushed and there were many side effects.

I just went into Woodwinds ER last night, my temp got up to 103.9º, scared the crap out of me. On the way there my wife had to pull over for me to vomit, I started sweating and by the time I got to the ER my temp was at 100.0º. Very strange indeed and the place was pretty full. They sent me packing with the direction to take aspirin, drink tons of Ice water and bed rest.
I woke up this morning completely soaking wet from sweating all night, but I felt great. Temp is normal now, do have the chills though.

Originally posted by imagineering
I just went into Woodwinds ER last night, my temp got up to 103.9º, scared the crap out of me. On the way there my wife had to pull over for me to vomit, I started sweating and by the time I got to the ER my temp was at 100.0º. Very strange indeed and the place was pretty full. They sent me packing with the direction to take aspirin, drink tons of Ice water and bed rest.
I woke up this morning completely soaking wet from sweating all night, but I felt great. Temp is normal now, do have the chills though.

Sounds like a nasty bug, hope you get well soon.

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If I say eating a banana will stop you from getting the flu, and you don't get it; that must mean it was because of the banana right?

This is some serious logic here.....

People are adding 2+2 and getting potato.

Well, if the vaccine is 60 percent effective, that means that 40 out of a hundred still get the flu. Many people who get exposed to the virus who don't get the shot don't get the flu either. I read somewhere from Europe that the flu shot lowers the percentage by six percent over those who don't get the shot. This means that six percent are the only ones that need it. Six percent of those who don't get the shot may benefit by this information but there is one flaw to this logic. It would seem that the people who easily get the flu would desire the shot since they are prone to catching the flu.

Initially, before they start pushing vaccines on everyone, the percentages looked better. Since most of those who lacked the ability to fight the flu got the shot back then, they had a success rate of fifty percent instead of the six percent better odds of not getting the flu. Some people do need this vaccine but others don't. I do think the pneumonia vaccine for older people would be more beneficial but I am sure that there are some that can't take that too.

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I'm 20 for 20; never had a flu shot in my entire life...I'll keep my own statistics.

Originally posted by paxnatus
reply to post by Rezlooper

 

For the most part, I am against vaccines. However, after coming down with the flu in early September. I can attest that this is a very nasty Influenza this year. I had a fever of 103-104 for 6 days! Severe body aches and extreme fatigue, headache and chest congestion!! The only difference the vaccine could have made, is maybe this strain of flu, would not have made me so sick. It really is a crap shoot this year. The virus mutates quickly, so don't expect complete immunity but the shot could lessen the symptoms and perhaps save a life or 2. It's really important to weigh the risks and benefits. Keep in mind the persons age, immune system and overall health.

Knock on wood!! Let's hope you remain so lucky. But I would not give anyone this type of advice. There are sure to be consequences.

I would like to know where you read that if you get the vaccine once you always have to get it. As a nurse I can tell you, that there is no medical evidence backing this up. You have been misinformed.

Pax

Please people, steer clear of this vaccine. My wife and I have never had a flu shot and neither of us can remember the last time we had the flu. I've heard from so many people this year that they have gotten the flu if not this year, in





the past, despite getting the shot, and once you get it, you have to get the shot every year or you will surely get the flu.

The part about needing the flu shot after taking a few vaccines was released by the AMA a few times in the past. One shot does not really do it, it is when you do it for a few years that your body gets screwed up and you then need the shots. I've seen this information by very reputable organizations over the years. They still say it is safer to get the neverending shots though because the percentage of nonsick people with the shots exceeds the percentage of people without the shots that get the flu. This evidence may be flawed though, people who had the flu shot may not go to the doctor and will think they have just a severe cold because they had the flu shot. Proper verification of the effectiveness of the flu shot cannot be really done. A lot of the people without the shot do not go to the doctor either, they are afraid of being told "I told you so" All the evidence is trash that the medical industry is using as proof. Doctors were telling those who had taken the shot here that they did not have the flu when they did. The CDC got pissed at doctors for this practice. They now want doctors to give a flu test to people no matter whether they had a shot or not. Artificially inflating the success rate is done all throughout society.

Originally posted by Rezlooper

Originally posted by imagineering
I just went into Woodwinds ER last night, my temp got up to 103.9º, scared the crap out of me. On the way there my wife had to pull over for me to vomit, I started sweating and by the time I got to the ER my temp was at 100.0º. Very strange indeed and the place was pretty full. They sent me packing with the direction to take aspirin, drink tons of Ice water and bed rest.
I woke up this morning completely soaking wet from sweating all night, but I felt great. Temp is normal now, do have the chills though.

Sounds like a nasty bug, hope you get well soon.

Why thank you, am actually at work now feeling better and better by the hour. I have never in all the few flus I have ever had, had my temp rise so fast then descend so rapidly, very wierd.

Originally posted by RobertFYes you are right...the flu (influenza) was deadly 150 years ago. Why did a healthy young woman die to the "flu" with today's modern medical care?

It sounds surprisingly like the 1917/1918 spanish flu (Which really started in Ft Riley Kansas, but whatever).
Spanish Flu Hits the young and seemingly healthy adults with strong immune systems hardest while the very young and elderly get over it.

I remember reading a snippet about a SF victim in Alaska being exhumed by the CDC a couple of years ago and the SF virus was still active due to the cold conditions they took samples (For research of course).

What are the chances of Big Pharma getting a hold of a sample of the virus?
If you want depopulation the young and healthy would be teh main target, Obama care would take out te elderly and the young...who can speculate.

This probably is not the case with this strain of flu but just keep it in mind when they really get aggressive in their push for you to get a flu shot. The potential is there.

The potential is also there for smallpox and no one has immunity to that anymore either.

Getting a flu shot is retarded. Won't really help you.

Last time I got vaccinated I was 9, last time I got sick was in 2003 (excluding the occasional common cold), my immune system is just that good. Just let your body fight off the disease, what doesn't kill you only makes you stronger.

I'm 22 now so that's 9 years without getting sick.

I am 35, never had the flu shot and never had the flu. my mom gets talked into it every year due to her medical condition and so far she has been lucky and no flu.

It's all about personal choice. I would never get the shot but that's just me.it's a shame that young woman had to lose her life.

I think I won't get the flu, therefore i don't get the flu.
It's a mental vaccine.

Originally posted by iSHRED
I think I won't get the flu, therefore i don't get the flu.

It's a mental vaccine.

That's funny because I just thought that to myself this morning. I've been talking a lot of smack in this thread so I've been knocking on some wood