UFO Britannia: Part 6 – The 1980s: You Can’t Tell the People

After an enjoyable break over the Christmas holidays I’ve finally written up the penultimate part of UFO Britannia an adhoc journey through the UFO phenomenon of the 20th century from a very British point of view.

If you’ve missed the first five parts of UFO Britannia then they are here for your perusal:

Part 1 – The Early Years
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Part 2 – World War Foo and the Post War Cover Up www.abovetopsecret.com...

Part 3 – The 1950s & Return of the Saucers www.abovetopsecret.com...

Part 4 – A Strange Sixties
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Part 5 – Anarchy in the UK?
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We are now into the 1980s. An era of high technological change when personal computers, console games, satellite TV and "just about mobile" telephone technology started to become commonplace. As the world shrank the UFO lore also traversed the globe.

The Strange Case of Zigmund Adamski & PC Alan Godfrey – Nov 1980

Zigmund Adamski , a 56 year old miner, went missing from his home in Tingley, Yorkshire in June 1980. He had gone out to get some shopping. But he never returned home. Some five days after he was last seen, Zigmund's body was found at a coal yard in Todmorden. This was 20 miles from his home.

Zigmund's body was found on the top of a pile of coal although it could be seen from a nearby railway line. His watch and wallet had gone. But the mysterious fact about this strange death is that he was found dressed in a suit with his shirt missing.

It is often said that his corpse showed only a day's growth of beard even though he had been missing for 5 days. This is one part of the story I am not quite sure what it is supposed to point to.


Mysterious burns were also found on his back, neck and shoulders and the coroner found traces of an ointment that appeared to have been used on Adamski . Forensic tests could not identify the substance and theories of alien abduction were banded about.

Synchronicity?
Bizarrely the police officer, PC Alan Godfrey, who discovered Adamski’s body was to also see a bright, fuzzy, oval shaped UFO at 5am on 28th November 1980 whilst searching for some cows reported missing. The cattle were later discovered in a rain soaked field without any hint of tracks showing how they had arrived there. Meanwhile Godfrey had decided to call his search off and began to head back to the station. He could see lights ahead and assumed he was approaching a works bus that made a regular early morning journey and he had seen before. However as he drove closer he realized he was not looking at a bus. There was an oval shaped object in front of him which appeared to be rotating at a very low altitude. The foliage close by could be seen being disturbed as if there was a strong wind blowing. He stopped to make notes and took out a pad he kept in the patrol car. There was a flash of light and the next thing he remembers is driving along the same road further on his journey.

On his return to the police station he did not mention anything about his unusual experience. However he noticed that he could not account for about 15 minutes or so of his journey. However another report from Halifax of two police officers seeing a glowing object not long before Godfrey's sighting encouraged him to file a report.

The report appeared in a local paper and Godfrey was tracked down by a UFO group in the North of England. Godfrey's memory was however hazy of what happened. He recalls that it was a rainy night but the road underneath where the object was seen was completely dry. His police issue footwear also showed signs of damage to the soles.

He agreed to undergo hypnotic regression which revealed a very strange tale. The session revealed he had been taken to a strange room, like the living room of a house, complete with a black dog. He was studied by a heavily bearded man dressed in biblical style clothing who telepathically conveyed that his name was "Yosef" or "Josef". Assisting Yosef were several small robot-like creatures that maybe resembled Grey aliens in some details but differed in others. His hypnotic memories were also more like dream sequences than the common intrusive abduction tales that have permeated since the late 1970s.

Godfrey was confused even more by his hypnosis sessions and had no idea what to make of it all. He believed his sighting was real but was unsure whether the hypnosis session had added anything to help his case as it all seemed too bizarre for a straight forward Yorkshireman to entertain.

Unfortunately the mainstream media began to enquire about his experience and he was forced to appear before his superiors and undergo tests to confirm his mental stability. This is something that is symptomatic of the whole UFO phenomenon. Back in the 1980s you could easily put your career at risk by speaking about the UFO subject if you were in the police service or armed forces. Godfrey was confirmed as fit for duty but retired a few years later from an injury picked up in a totally unrelated case.

Todmorden is an area where many UFO sightings have been made. This remains an odd case and had a deep effect on Alan Godfrey the officer involved.

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Rendlesham Forest Incident – 26th – 28th Dec 1980

The Rendlesham forest incident is the most famous of all UFO cases in the United Kingdom and arguably 2nd only to Roswell in the English speaking world. At first glance it appears that witness testimony from US military officers and the physical evidence makes this an absolute nailed on genuine UFO landing case close to twin RAF bases leased to the USAF at Bentwaters/Woodbridge in Suffolk during the Christmas holiday period in 1980. But delve deeper and the waters are muddy. There are many unanswered questions, plenty of contradictions, and conflicting testimony. Even if you don’t think the case has anything to do with ET though this is still a very interesting story to sift through.

There are already a number of threads that go into great detail on Rendlesham.

But, for those not familiar with the story here is a brief synopsis. I guess many will not be familiar with the events of the 26/27th. However I have based this on a 2009 interview that John Burroughs gave to the Paracast. As he was present on the 1st investigation and the night when Colonel Halt ventured into the forest then it does explain the timeline more clearly.

25/26th Dec 1980 - Late on Christmas Night 1980 3 USAF security men (Ed Cabansag, Jim Penniston and John Burroughs) respond to a call to investigate lights and a possible downed aircraft. What they appear to witness is a landed UFO in Rendlesham Forest which eventually disappears at rapid speed into the sky.

26/27th Dec 1980 – Whilst the officers involved on the first night were off duty the Shift Commander goes out into the forest to investigate further strange lights in the forest. Her vehicle stalls and a small ball sized blue light flies through her vehicle. She is then sent home as she is so disturbed by the incident.

27/28th Dec - the UFO returns and the Deputy Base Commander Colonel Halt joins a team of men who see strange lights blinking and moving through the forest and above Woodbridge and Bentwaters bases. They also detect radiation in the forest in the area where the UFO was believed to have landed. More alarming is the strange laser like beams coming down onto the airbase and their patrol from what appeared to have been a controlled craft in the sky above them.

Another witness, Larry Warren, even claims to have seen a commanding officer attempting communication with 3 small alien beings in the forest and that the whole incident was filmed. Warren also claims to have been drugged shortly afterwards and taken to a secret underground base. A location where he was ‘de-briefed’ and told to stay silent because “…bullets are cheap”.

In later years Jim Penniston claimed to have touched and sketched a triangular craft with strange glyph markings on it. In 2010 he produced a notebook containing binary code which he had somehow downloaded and memorized after touching the craft. The code was translated back into English and displayed a strange message.

EXPLORATION [of] HUMANITY

52° 09’ 42.532” N
13° 13’ 12.69” W

CONTI[NUOS]

FOR PLANETARY ADVAN[CE]

There is plenty of evidence to back up the claims of the airmen involved. Much of this is now in the public domain. Next morning, Penniston made plaster casts of what appeared to have been indentations left from the landing gear from the UFO in the forest.

Halt’s team returned with positive radiation readings from the alleged landing sight and a micro cassette recording of the investigation as events unfold in real time. There are witness statements (some of which are contradictory) and even an official memo to the RAF Liaison Officer confirming the sightings (although the details are low key and the date of the first encounter is wrong).

More recently, Nigel Kerr, the RAF radar operator, on duty during the first night confirms that he saw a number of radar blips over the Bentwaters area before the signal faded out completely.

Harder to establish are the claims that video tape of the events was allegedly sent to USAFE HQ ,Ramstein, Germany and that investigators from both British and and US security services were crawling all over the base in the aftermath of the event.



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In the early 21st century the MoD, allegedly, released all its files on Rendlesham and dismissed the case because there was no perceived threat to national security. However many involved in the case believe it to be far from closed and that secret documents on both sides of the Atlantic will never be released. Colonel Halt went on record in 2010 to say:

“ I believe the objects that I saw at close quarter were extraterrestrial in origin and that the security services of both the United States and the United Kingdom have attempted – both then and now – to subvert the significance of what occurred at Rendlesham forest and RAF Bentwaters by the use of well-practiced methods of disinformation".

Alien Encounters?

Before the launch of the movie “Close Encounters of the Third Kind” abduction stories in the British Isles were rare and extremely difficult to authenticate. However once the 1980s kicked in there were a number of disturbing cases. The Adamski/Godfrey case has already been covered but there was more to come.

“UFOs – ‘You must have the facts and you can’t tell the people.”

You Can't Tell the People – Georgina Bruni., .

These are the words of former PM of the UK ,Margaret Thatcher, to journalist Georgina Bruni when asked her opinion of UFOs. What exactly did the Iron Lady mean? Perhaps there was something to Churchill’s words all those years ago about keeping things secret. That would be the literal interpretation.

There are also many skeptical theories that claim Rendlesham was all triggered by a satellite, a lighthouse, bright starlight, a burning manure truck, a police car in the woods and even the Apollo Rescue Capsule that was kept at Woodbridge. Whatever it was there is not one all encompassing skeptical theory that quite explains Rendlesham.

There is so much more to the story and it is still evolving to this day. However there are other threads that give the finer details , the twists and turns as the story has been spun down the years and conflict between the airmen involved, UFOlogists and skeptics.

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Alien Encounters?

Before the launch of the movie “Close Encounters of the Third Kind” abduction stories in the British Isles were rare and extremely difficult to authenticate. However once the 1980s kicked in there were a number of disturbing cases. The Adamski/Godfrey case has already been covered but there was more to come.

Burnt By A UFO Laser Beam – Sept 1981

This case concerns Denise Bishop from Plymouth who was returning home around 11:15 pm on Sept 10th 1981. She got out of a taxicab and approached the backdoor of her home where she noticed some lights in the sky behind.

As she got to the door her view became clearer and she could now see a massive UFO (her estimate was about 125 ft wide), the shape of the body of a crab, hovering silently above the houses. This is how Denise described her experience.

The object was unlit, and a dark metallic grey, but coming from underneath it and shining down on the rooftops beneath it were six or seven broad shafts of light. These were lovely pastel shades of pink and purple, and there was also white. I saw all this in an instant, and I was terrified. I hurriedly reached for the door, but as I put my hand on the handle, from the unlit side of the craft a lime green coloured pencil beam of light came down and hit the back of my hand. As soon as it touched my hand I couldn’t move but was stopped dead in my tracks. The beam stayed on my hand for at least thirty seconds, in which time I could only stand and watch the UFO. I was very frightened, although the UFO was a fantastic sight to see.
Bishop describes the green beam was like a rod of light that switched off. She opened the back door and says the whole incident was as if a film had been stopped and then continued as she continued with the movement before she felt frozen. She rushed indoors and as she did so the UFO rose in the sky and moved out of sight. She told her sister but they could see nothing outside. Denise was rubbing her hand and noticed spots of blood. She cleaned the blood off and realized she had been burned. The following day the police were informed but were unable to provide any help except for the telephone number of a local UFO group.

Source: Flying Saucer Review 1983 V28 N3

Denise Bishop recreates encounter still showing burn mark

Investigations, by the local UFO researcher Robert Boyd, showed that three of the neighbours did not seen anything but had reported that their pets were behaving strangely at around the time of Bishop’s encounter.
Denise was reluctant to seek medical help as she was due to leave for a holiday in Canada shortly and feared that a doctor may prevent her leaving the country. One strange part of the case is that a phone call was made to Bishop at work on Sept 14th by a man with a North American accent and claiming to be a reporter from CBS called Chris Bloomfield. She was initially suspicious and believed it was a hoax or even a secret government department wanting to question her so gave a brief statement without mentioning her burn to the wrist. Whilst on holiday in Canada, Bishop did find that there was a real reporter for CBS called Chris Bloomfield although it was never established if he had made a genuine call to her.

On Sept 27th the Sunday Mirror carried the story from the previous year of Zigmund Adamski’s strange death and rumoured abduction. The Coroner James Turnbull was noted as appealing for people to come forward with any further information about strange burns. Boyd forwarded the details on and received thanks from Turnbull but the case remained unsolved.

By late 1981 both the story and the burn mark had both appeared to have faded.

Source: Flying Saucer Review Vol. 28 No.3


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The Alan Godfrey is a pretty interesting and really worth reading. But the Zigmund Adamski case... not so much. I mean it is interesting how UFOlogy kinda went with it but i did write an article a long time ago on this guy.

Lets take a close look at that one. You got this guy that has a wife with MS and one day he goes outside never to return. A few days latter his body is found with burns around his neck,ointment on his neck (they were trying to treat the burns), obviously dressed by someone else (which means he was naked when he died). Has anyone put it together yet??? One more hint, what would you be doing that leaves burns on your neck while you are naked?

***spoiler alert***
I honestly believe this guy was seeing a hooker or had an arrangement with someone else where they would engage in a little unconventional sex. The man's wife had MS and a man has his needs. He probably had a heart attack and his partner decided to dump the body someplace where it would be found. I don't think the police "covered up" as much as they just decided to keep to themselves and save the family the embarrassment.

1983 – Alfred Burtoo Alien Encounter

Early in the morning of Friday Aug 12th 1983 (just after midnight) Alfred Burtoo left home in Aldershot , Hampshire for a spot of night fishing in the nearby Basingstoke Canal. Before settling down to fish he had a brief chat with a Military Policeman from the local RAF Base and then continued to his spot on the canal bank. He tied up his dog on a leash, prepared his fishing gear and recalled the gong of the Buller Barracks striking 1 am.

As Burtoo poured a cup of tea from his flask he saw a brilliant light in the sky to the South over a railway bridge. It dimmed and then settled down on the towpath about 300 feet from him. Two small “lifeforms” left the craft in pale green uniform with a blackened visor and approached Burtoo. His dog began to growl and show signs of nervousness.

A sort of standoff developed for a minute or two, until the entity to Albert Burtoo’s right beckoned him and Burtoo followed. As they got close to the railway bridge their craft became visible. Part of it was over the canal. Burtoo climbed into the craft. He recalls it being cramped as the lifeforms were only around 4’ in height. Next he was told to “come over and stand under the amber light”.

When Albert moved into the light source in the middle of the craft he was then asked “What is your age?”.

He responded that he would be 78 at his next birthday and was informed “You can go. You are too old and too infirm for our purpose.”



Burtoo left the craft and remembers it lifting off once he was about 300 yards away. Within seconds it was gone.

Afterwards when questioned he declared that he hadn’t believed in aliens and UFOs but he did now and that the craft was illuminated internally but he couldn’t actually pinpoint the source of the light.


Source: Flying Saucer Review Vol. 29 No.2

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Bagshot Heath Encounter – 1985

During the evening of Sept 15th 1985 the McMurray family was travelling home to Farnborough along the A322 towards Bagshot in their family car. They turned onto the B311 – Red Road for Farnborough just after 9pm. As they turned a slight bend in the road they were astounded to see an object hovering above the road some 60 yards in front. The intensity of the light caused the driver, David McMurray to look away for a moment. He noticed another similar object to their rear hovering just above the tree line and following them. The first object had now risen silently into the sky and vanished and a White Volvo behind had stopped and pulled over. The second UFO continued to follow them.

McMurray decided to carry along the road along to a new property development where he got out leaving his wife and two small children in the vehicle. The UFO was hovering about 50 ft in the air above the tree line on the opposite side of the road. Then a buzzing noise started and he could clearly see a bright red light on one side of the craft and a green light on the other. A number of bright white lights seemed equally spaced around the craft but there was no movement.


McMurray’s Sketch of the craft - similar to Albert Burtoo’s?

After a minute or two the craft shot up into the sky and was a small light in the sky in seconds. McMurray did not stop to speak to the driver who had stopped behind him and instead headed to the local police station to file a report. A number of other sightings were logged by the public in the Bagshot Heath area at around the same time.

The next morning the family experienced strange after effects. The whole family, who normally arose before 6 am, did not wake up until nearer 9:30 am. McMurray found his car would not start and the battery was flat. A few hours later he began to suffer with a severe headache, although a checkup at the local hospital revealed blood pressure and heart rate to be normal. He then felt a hollow feeling in his stomach and shaking legs which lasted over a week. His wife suffered the same symptoms a few days later.After recovering, McMurray began to develop disturbed sleep patterns, memory loss and small red, circular skin blemishes just over an inch in diameter on the left hand side of his body. The blemishes would fade and new ones would appear lower down Then the blemishes began to appear and fade on the right hand side. McMurray would find himself verbally explaining the working of electrical and mechanical devices like a light bulb and his car engine whilst conscious and remembers peculiar out of body experiences at night.

The oddest part of it all was that the phrase “Epsylon 44L – 47L” kept repeating in his head even though he had no idea what it meant or could mean.
At first McMurray resisted hypnosis therapy. However the whole experience troubled him and he finally agreed on the 12th Jan 1986. The hypnosis session revealed that “The Guardians” from Epsylon 44L – 47L had contacted him via a telepathic type of process during his UFO encounter. McMurray seemed confused by the message. When asked who or what the Guardians were he kept repeating; “Don’t Know.….Should Know”.

Two weeks later on 26th Jan 1986 he was driving down Red Road once again. He’d previously felt stressed driving on the same road since the incident but this time suffered a severe headache that forced him to pull over. Arriving home in Farnborough his wife Sue recalls him acting in a trance like state whilst searching for a pen and paper and then transcribing a bizarre message.(click thumbnail to view)



The message, as far as can be made out says:

EPSOLON> Planet location 12th quadrant. Primary function GUARDIANS of Planets. Watching Earth since 12 BC Man’s development up to early 19th Century almost nil > Key people located on Earth early 1990; development up to date increasing by 50% : - still have not basic ?????? practice > Warlike which will not be tolerated > Still divided on the idea of one supreme ruler > Will continue to watch and instruct. Key people onto the rate of advancement.Recommend that the advancement be realized as to the nature of their planet and that they are allowed to continue at the 50% rate rather than to give them full co-operation.

It would be 24 years before Jim Penniston would reveal the translation of a binary code message he claims to have received in Rendlesham Forest during 1980 from a UFO. Could there be some kind of link with the concept of the advancement humanity here? Was Britain being visited by these Guardians in the 1980s given the subtle links between cases? Or is this just wild speculation?

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The Alien on Ilkley Moor – Dec 1987

Perhaps the strangest alien abduction case in the UK occurred on Ilkley Moor in Yorkshire, England. The witness was a former policeman under the pseudonym Philip Spencer. Spencer left home in Ilkley across the moor heading for his in-laws home in East Morton at 7.10 am on December 1st, 1987. He was apparently taken aboard a UFO and after being released snapped a picture of an alien being.

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Ilkley Moor is a remote part of the UK with an eerie setting and mysterious ancient carved stones from our prehistory. People out walking will often spend hours where the only other creatures on the moors are the sheep (some alive, others in various stages of decomposition). The often foggy, misty conditions have led to legends of strange creatures, weird lights and a foreboding atmosphere. Especially in the cold, damp, dark mists of the English winter.

Spencer was hoping to get some photographs of these strange lights on the moor and took his camera with him. He also took a compass to navigate through the fog as a precaution. Whilst looking for suitable points to take a photograph a strange looking creature appeared up ahead of him and he snapped a picture of it before it headed off.

Acting on impulse he chased after the creature just in time to see a dome topped craft rise into the sky from the moor. Spencer was not able to take a photo of the craft. He began to walk to the nearest village which took about 30 minutes, strangely, his compass now pointed south instead of north, and , the village clock appeared to be an hour ahead of his watch. Spencer was somewhat disorientated and began to question what he had witnessed. He had his film developed and there was the creature, 4 foot tall, with a blue-green tint to its skin.

He contacted UFO researcher Peter Hough who began a thorough investigation. The film was confirmed by wildlife experts that the image shown was not of a known animal. The photograph was next sent to Kodak laboratories in Hemel, Hempstead. Analysis showed that the creature formed part of the original photo, and was not superimposed. Without confirming what the creature was. Dr. Bruce Maccabee, former optical physicist with the US Navy was asked to look at the film. He was unimpressed by the grainy detail. "I had great hopes that this case would prove definitive. Sadly circumstances prevent it from being so," Maccabee said.

Spencer later underwent hypnosis. The session revealed that he was abducted and medically examined on the craft by the aliens.

As the 1980s began to draw to a close the subject of crop circles and a link to flying saucers were made. Across the world sightings of black triangles became more and more frequent. The Belgian Air Force encountered them first hand. The story of little grey aliens crashing near Roswell and thousands of abduction accounts had now became an additional layer of UFO lore. Science fiction TV and films began to introduce these concepts to the general public across the English speaking world.

Across the pond the MJ12 documents were being debated for their authenticity and then Bob Lazaar and Area 51 found their place in UFO history. There was an awful lot going on politically, and then the Berlin Wall suddenly came down and the old superpower structure of Communist East v Capitalist West had vanished.

Everything was set up for the new decade when things were about to explode during the 1990s.

To be continued…….

Originally posted by RandyBragg
The Alan Godfrey is a pretty interesting and really worth reading. But the Zigmund Adamski case... not so much. I mean it is interesting how UFOlogy kinda went with it but i did write an article a long time ago on this guy.

Lets take a close look at that one. You got this guy that has a wife with MS and one day he goes outside never to return. A few days latter his body is found with burns around his neck,ointment on his neck (they were trying to treat the burns), obviously dressed by someone else (which means he was naked when he died). Has anyone put it together yet??? One more hint, what would you be doing that leaves burns on your neck while you are naked?

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I honestly believe this guy was seeing a hooker or had an arrangement with someone else where they would engage in a little unconventional sex. The man's wife had MS and a man has his needs. He probably had a heart attack and his partner decided to dump the body someplace where it would be found. I don't think the police "covered up" as much as they just decided to keep to themselves and save the family the embarrassment.

I've got to admit that the link to UFOs is very tenuous in Admaski's case. But it has become a part of the Godfrey story. Even though much of it doesn't really hold up under scrutiny.

Originally posted by mirageman

Originally posted by RandyBragg
The Alan Godfrey is a pretty interesting and really worth reading. But the Zigmund Adamski case... not so much. I mean it is interesting how UFOlogy kinda went with it but i did write an article a long time ago on this guy.

Lets take a close look at that one. You got this guy that has a wife with MS and one day he goes outside never to return. A few days latter his body is found with burns around his neck,ointment on his neck (they were trying to treat the burns), obviously dressed by someone else (which means he was naked when he died). Has anyone put it together yet??? One more hint, what would you be doing that leaves burns on your neck while you are naked?

***spoiler alert***
I honestly believe this guy was seeing a hooker or had an arrangement with someone else where they would engage in a little unconventional sex. The man's wife had MS and a man has his needs. He probably had a heart attack and his partner decided to dump the body someplace where it would be found. I don't think the police "covered up" as much as they just decided to keep to themselves and save the family the embarrassment.

I've got to admit that the link to UFOs is very tenuous in Admaski's case. But it has become a part of the Godfrey story. Even though much of it doesn't really hold up under scrutiny.

dont throw Adamski's case just yet.. if someone is hoaxing , its not adamski but its the 'entities' that used him , lied to him, put on show for him. As far as adamski believed, his encounter are real , its just the information given to him are pure hoax and lies.

btw this are not limited to Adamski's case. the WHOLE Contactee phenomena are filled with stories of this kind.

Great thread series mirageman, these threads of yours and karl12's are what makes me go back and read ATS in spite of the multitude of sensational and disinformation threads on UFO forum.

The past UFO Investigation are 1000 times better than today's investigation that focus on fictions like roswell, aliens, underground base, conspiracy etc..

Originally posted by RandyBragg
The Alan Godfrey is a pretty interesting and really worth reading. But the Zigmund Adamski case... not so much. I mean it is interesting how UFOlogy kinda went with it but i did write an article a long time ago on this guy.

Lets take a close look at that one. You got this guy that has a wife with MS and one day he goes outside never to return. A few days latter his body is found with burns around his neck,ointment on his neck (they were trying to treat the burns), obviously dressed by someone else (which means he was naked when he died). Has anyone put it together yet??? One more hint, what would you be doing that leaves burns on your neck while you are naked?

***spoiler alert***
I honestly believe this guy was seeing a hooker or had an arrangement with someone else where they would engage in a little unconventional sex. The man's wife had MS and a man has his needs. He probably had a heart attack and his partner decided to dump the body someplace where it would be found. I don't think the police "covered up" as much as they just decided to keep to themselves and save the family the embarrassment.

You didn't mention the part about him being found up a seven foot pile of coal with no evidence of coal on the front of his clothes. And don't tell me he climbed up it backwards

Agree that the Godfrey case is fascinating and in all evidence, probably true.

On another point, one of the funniest debunking efforts I ever heard, a well known skeptic called Andy Roberts eluded that the PC was hallucinating on duty when he had his encounter. Watch out folks, some of Britains finest are running around on magic mushrooms and their colleagues let them do it

Originally posted by Zcustosmorum


You didn't mention the part about him being found up a seven foot pile of coal with no evidence of coal on the front of his clothes. And don't tell me he climbed up it backwards

Please show me anything outside a UFO blog that says he was on a 7 foot pile of "undisturbed" coal, and how do you tell if a pile of coal is undisturbed? And how in the hell do you dump over 100 pounds of anything on top of a pile without disturbing it, even if you can get him on top without touching the rest of the pile? Why steal his wallet and watch? Are aliens really traveling light years to come act like earth thugs?

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The point isn't that the coal was disturbed or undisturbed, the point is he had no coal on the front of his clothes, which if we were to assume he climbed up the pile, is impossible

Originally posted by Zcustosmorum
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The point isn't that the coal was disturbed or undisturbed, the point is he had no coal on the front of his clothes, which if we were to assume he climbed up the pile, is impossible

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Nobody is saying he climbed to the top and dropped dead, the idea was he was placed there... And you are a liar

You didn't mention the part about him being found up a seven foot pile of coal with no evidence of coal on the front of his clothes. And don't tell me he climbed up it backwards

Kinda seems like the point you were trying to make, so is it the point or not?

Originally posted by RandyBragg

Originally posted by Zcustosmorum
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The point isn't that the coal was disturbed or undisturbed, the point is he had no coal on the front of his clothes, which if we were to assume he climbed up the pile, is impossible

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Nobody is saying he climbed to the top and dropped dead, the idea was he was placed there... And you are a liar

You didn't mention the part about him being found up a seven foot pile of coal with no evidence of coal on the front of his clothes. And don't tell me he climbed up it backwards

Kinda seems like the point you were trying to make, so is it the point or not?

Oh, I'm a liar?

Back at ya, this case is still unsolved, so ram it

Originally posted by milomilo

Originally posted by mirageman

Originally posted by RandyBragg
The Alan Godfrey is a pretty interesting and really worth reading. But the Zigmund Adamski case... not so much. I mean it is interesting how UFOlogy kinda went with it but i did write an article a long time ago on this guy.

Lets take a close look at that one. You got this guy that has a wife with MS and one day he goes outside never to return. A few days latter his body is found with burns around his neck,ointment on his neck (they were trying to treat the burns), obviously dressed by someone else (which means he was naked when he died). Has anyone put it together yet??? One more hint, what would you be doing that leaves burns on your neck while you are naked?

***spoiler alert***
I honestly believe this guy was seeing a hooker or had an arrangement with someone else where they would engage in a little unconventional sex. The man's wife had MS and a man has his needs. He probably had a heart attack and his partner decided to dump the body someplace where it would be found. I don't think the police "covered up" as much as they just decided to keep to themselves and save the family the embarrassment.

I've got to admit that the link to UFOs is very tenuous in Admaski's case. But it has become a part of the Godfrey story. Even though much of it doesn't really hold up under scrutiny.

dont throw Adamski's case just yet.. if someone is hoaxing , its not adamski but its the 'entities' that used him , lied to him, put on show for him. As far as adamski believed, his encounter are real , its just the information given to him are pure hoax and lies.

btw this are not limited to Adamski's case. the WHOLE Contactee phenomena are filled with stories of this kind.

Great thread series mirageman, these threads of yours and karl12's are what makes me go back and read ATS in spite of the multitude of sensational and disinformation threads on UFO forum.

The past UFO Investigation are 1000 times better than today's investigation that focus on fictions like roswell, aliens, underground base, conspiracy etc..

Sorry if this confused you but the corpse was of a miner called Zigmund Adamski, who to my knowledge was of no relation to famous contactee George Adamski. That is a whole different story maybe for another time.

Originally posted by Zcustosmorum

Originally posted by RandyBragg
The Alan Godfrey is a pretty interesting and really worth reading. But the Zigmund Adamski case... not so much. I mean it is interesting how UFOlogy kinda went with it but i did write an article a long time ago on this guy.

Lets take a close look at that one. You got this guy that has a wife with MS and one day he goes outside never to return. A few days latter his body is found with burns around his neck,ointment on his neck (they were trying to treat the burns), obviously dressed by someone else (which means he was naked when he died). Has anyone put it together yet??? One more hint, what would you be doing that leaves burns on your neck while you are naked?

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I honestly believe this guy was seeing a hooker or had an arrangement with someone else where they would engage in a little unconventional sex. The man's wife had MS and a man has his needs. He probably had a heart attack and his partner decided to dump the body someplace where it would be found. I don't think the police "covered up" as much as they just decided to keep to themselves and save the family the embarrassment.

You didn't mention the part about him being found up a seven foot pile of coal with no evidence of coal on the front of his clothes. And don't tell me he climbed up it backwards

Agree that the Godfrey case is fascinating and in all evidence, probably true.

On another point, one of the funniest debunking efforts I ever heard, a well known skeptic called Andy Roberts eluded that the PC was hallucinating on duty when he had his encounter. Watch out folks, some of Britains finest are running around on magic mushrooms and their colleagues let them do it

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Yes Roberts and Clarke have done some interesting work but seem to have become official MoD debunkers down the years.

As for the Zigmund Adamski case with the coal. Flying Saucer Review Covers it in Vol 27 No 2 written by Jenny Randles; She (he ) claims the coal was 20 foot high! The cause of death was apparently heart attack.

As to who did it and how the body ended up on the coal tip remains a mystery. The time of death was estimated to be around 10 hours ago during a post mortem conducted at 9:15pm on the day it was discovered. There were no signs Adamski had been sleeping rough and no mention of coal on his clothes.

There are various slight variations in the tale from different sources but other than the fact that the bloke's name was Adamski there is little else to link the case with UFOs in my opinion. But a mystery it remains.


I actually found the Bagshot Heath Encounter the most interesting as there seems to be rough similarities in the messages received that both David McMurray and Jim Penniston, a few years earlier, claimed to have received at Rendlesham. Both appear to deal with the "advancement of humanity". Weird if there is any truth to both stories.

Before the launch of the movie “Close Encounters of the Third Kind” abduction stories in the British Isles were rare and extremely difficult to authenticate.

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False, both the implication that the film spurred an increase in (fraudulent) UFO reports and that pre-film reports were either rare or "difficult to authenticate".

Originally posted by Morg234

Before the launch of the movie “Close Encounters of the Third Kind” abduction stories in the British Isles were rare and extremely difficult to authenticate.

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False, both the implication that the film spurred an increase in (fraudulent) UFO reports and that pre-film reports were either rare or "difficult to authenticate".

I'm willing to have my mind changed. Would you care to give examples?