“no reason why on the street today a citizen should be carrying loaded weapons.”

reply to post by INDOMITABLE

hmmmm, don't know much about that history do ya ?

first, Hoover was long dead by 1969.
second, the Panthers were infiltrated and partially dismantled for their Communist, activist, Nation of Islam supported actions and affiliations, not guns

the propaganda scheme worked then and apparently, it's still working on some of you, today

for the record, there have been 3 Fed firearm laws ...
National Firearms Act (1934)
Gun Control Act (1968)
Brady Bill (1993)

please identify, in any of them, ownership restrictions directed at any specific 'race' of ppl.

Damn Reagan again, that guy has so much blood on his hands. Not to mention that he approved of chemically poisoning illegal drug producing plants to intentionally harm the users. As long as irresponsible dangerous people are carrying around firearms and bombs and machetes, I will most certainly feel compelled to equip myself for the preservation of my own life. There is no social or governmental "law" that will strip me of the natural right I assert.

Originally posted by thisguyrighthere

Originally posted by IkNOwSTuff
reply to post by thisguyrighthere

 

What about peoples rights and "liberty" to walk around the streets or a mall without fear Cause any idiot who wants one has a gun?

Since the dawn of man safety has never been a right nor has it even been possible.

All safety is an illusion. Anything can happen to anyone at anytime anywhere.

Maybe if you were responsible enough as a peoples to use military grade weapons you wouldn't be "under fire".
But you are not responsible enough. That is certainly the truth.

A working group led by Vice President Biden is seriously considering measures backed by key law enforcement leaders that would require
-Universal background checks -

Excellent, then if you're a terrorist or have a criminal record, you can't have a gun. -Only a terrorist or a criminal would have a problem with that. Are you a terrorist or a criminal?

-Track the movement and sale of weapons through a national database

We had this in Canada, I didn`t mind it. It meant (for me) That if any punk stole my weapons there was a serial number. If the stolen weapon was found, I would get the weapon back.

-Strengthen mental health checks

That`s a no brainer, unless you have mental problems and want a gun. lol.

- Stiffer penalties for carrying guns near schools or giving them to minors.
Thumbs up. We don`t want ass holes around schools. That includes disgruntled tea partyers, thank you

Basically you have to have some serious issues if you disagree with three of the four. The National database is kinda a waste of money, (imo) the other points, as I said, are no-brainers.

Originally posted by Honor93
reply to post by INDOMITABLE

 

hmmmm, don't know much about that history do ya ?

first, Hoover was long dead by 1969.
second, the Panthers were infiltrated and partially dismantled for their Communist, activist, Nation of Islam supported actions and affiliations, not guns

the propaganda scheme worked then and apparently, it's still working on some of you, today

for the record, there have been 3 Fed firearm laws ...
National Firearms Act (1934)
Gun Control Act (1968)
Brady Bill (1993)

please identify, in any of them, ownership restrictions directed at any specific 'race' of ppl.

Nope, you clearly don't know that history.

Hoover died in 1972. He remained director of the FBI until his death. That is a quote from him about the Panthers, not made up.

Also, at no point did I say that they targeted the Black Panthers solely because of their guns, however they were very successful in removing them from the black community and they didn't need a LAW for that. Just like they didn't need a law to racially profile.

The point you missed is that guns are no longer an established part of the black community, and this concocted war against the panthers signaled that end.

African-Americans are now primarily gun control supporters, instead of gun rights supporters. Whereas, this would have been much different 40 years ago.

What should shock you is that there is no law and yet it still took place.

reply to post by INDOMITABLE

oooops, wrong Hoover ... sorry, i said was old
my mind goes to Herb, not JEdgar

oh and btw, he (HH) was long dead by 1969.

www.biography.com...
He was working on another book when he died at age 90 in New York City in 1964.

JE Hoover isn't a subject i care to remember or discuss.

i never said you did, but you did respond to another's comment.
so, now you're saying that you didn't say this ?

I am so glad you brought this up. They have disarmed black people a long time ago

in response to this ...

The Black Panthers demanded their right to own a gun

if i misunderstood your statement, please clarify.
the Panthers were not disarmed until they were arrested.

laws don't extend rights, they restrict them.
if you think laws are/were necessary to assert their rights, that is where you are wrong.

don't know which part of the 'black community' to which you refer but they are quite plentiful in mine and have been for all of the nearly 3 decades i've been here in the deep south

again, not sure where your regional info originates, but it is not a 'national' condition like you're trying to imply. also, the right of self-defense is not an issue of race and shame on you for trying to make it one

why should that shock me ??
fewer laws is always better.

ETA -- "concocted war against the panthers" ?? -- did i read that right?
who is fooling who here ?
the BP were Not casual observers or peaceful objectors and i'll leave it at that.

reply to post by canucks555


We already have National background checks by a division of the FBI.
www.fbi.gov...

If people do not like this, contact your Congressional representative to change it. I do not think such bill will become law. Just my 2 cents.

reply to post by canucks555

if it works in Canada ... ... you can keep it.
more restrictions, of any kind, placed upon law-abiding citizens is NOT a reasonable answer to this current dilemma.

we already know it doesn't work in your country, what makes you think it would work here ?

besides, quite a bit of our armament is made in your country ... do you really want to deplete your manufacturing base in this current economy ?

www.youtube.com...

It is fiction, but the very liberal TV aired this.

reply to post by Honor93


You obviously didn't read my post, you just scanned then decided to make a comment. It says J. Edgar in my earlier post btw. I think you jumped on when I said "equal protection", that is what got you wound up.

What I meant by that, is that at times we may think something is okay, because it doesn't affect us or it affects a group we disagree with, but it the long run it hurts everyone.

I responded to the comment because he showed the video of the man advocating the need for guns as a "proper liberation tool" and he was a black panther. I didn't make it a race issue, I am merely adding my two cents in response to the video.

Most black people, such as myself, live in or around cities and not in the deep south. The few hundred that live near you are not the few hundred thousand that live near me. That is why I made such a broad statement, which of course, is not wholly inclusive of every single individual.

Living in one of the most densely populated areas in the U.S. I can say that this idea that guns are bad is the norm here. This idea is particularly prevalent in the black community, with help from the msm. I won't repeat myself again, please refer to my above posts. I commented because, the man in the video today would probably be boo'ed instead of applauded.

Again, you are completely missing the point about it being shocking. An idea is a powerful thing. If you can condition a generation to believe 1. guns a bad 2. guns are undesirable 3. guns are dangerous 4. only criminals use guns. 5. guns will land you in jail, then you need not pass any laws.

Step away from the race issue and look at the broader picture. Please and thank you.

"no reason why....." EXCEPT that there are Criminals carrying loaded weapons. Duh.

reply to post by INDOMITABLE

really ? care to be specific or is generalization the best you can offer ?

no, you didn't ... but a piece of your wiki cut & paste did.
however, i missed it on the first read because the last sentence had me laughing tooooo hard

Members were encouraged to carry guns and to defend themselves against violence

but you're right, they were 'disarmed'

and, black crime was rampant in the 50s & 60s from coast to coast and long before the haze of the 70s.

"equal protection" ?? when did you mention that ?
ohhhh, i see it ... nvm ... nope, didn't stir me one bit, i agree.
although, the segway to specific religious groups didn't make any sense.

so, are we having a discussion or are you gonna continue attempting to pseudo-analyze me from your keyboard ? (rather poorly i might add)

if you read any of my posts, you would know i cannot view video and you offered no narrative.
sorry, but i can't discuss what i can't view or read.

when you made the comment to me (not the video poster) about the majority of AA being ANTI supporters is when you made it a race issue and i still find it an offensive statement, let alone false.

i got news for you ... there is no such thing as a Northern majority of black folk ... where in the world did you get that idea anyway ?

i haven't reviewed the most recent census details but i'm pretty sure the South still has a larger black population than the North (always has)

could your paintbrush get any bigger
fyi, my state is about to contain the 3rd highest population in the country ... the few hundred thousand you see, can't compare to the millions here
*6 million of whom are gun owners btw.

hmmmm, most densely populated you say ... would that be CA or TX ?
www.flgov.com...

a recent U.S. Census Survey reported that Florida experienced an influx of people moving into the state, highlighted by the New York-to-Florida migration, which led the nation
- snip -
we are at a 41-year low in our crime rate

i think your perceptions are slightly askew to say the least.

ahhh, after reading your last paragraph, i see says the blind woman ... you're a New Yorker ... why o'why is that not surprising (well, you can thank your Communist/Socialist/Marxist leaders ... cause they're the ones who established your 'environment' and apparently those who are there are ok with it or they would change it)

since we've pegged NY as the "inspiration" for your commentary, how 'bout you step back and learn a few things, first ?

reply to post by INDOMITABLE

so, just for fun ... i checked the census numbers for FL and guess what ?
source
in 2010, 18 addl births/migrations would've brought the AA pop. total to 3 million, exactly.
so, for giggles and ease, let's use that round number, ok ?

18+ million was the total population.
4 million are under age 18 and cannot be legal gun owners.
so, that leaves us with roughly 14 million, some of whom cannot legally own firearms either, but, we won't deduct them for this exercise.

now, of that 14 million, 6 million are reported to be legal gun owners.
how many of those remaining 8 million do you really think are members of the ANTI crowd ?

and, let's not forget that the rate of CCW licenses being issued has tripled since 2001.

with 5x as many gun owners as ccw holders currently, that leads me to think that a majority of the remaining 8 million are, more than likely, 'not so legal' gun owners.
[yes, i know a few of them]

do you realize that if 1/2 of the AA population is legally armed, that's still OVER 1.5 million ppl ??

now, the reason i'm adding this info is not to rub your nose in it, but, to encourage you to expand your horizon.

in NY, guns are highly restricted, yet, gun violence is off the charts (well, not quite but close) ... here, we have 6 million gun owners floating around and the LOWEST crime rate in 41 years ... which is probably longer than you've been alive.

please, think on that and then get back to me.

reply to post by IkNOwSTuff


So, law abiding citizens who carry are all idiots that you fear?
But you don't fear gang-bangers and other criminals?
So the law abiding citizens who carry and have stopped evil people trying to murder are idiots?

But you, who thinks criminals obey laws and wont have guns if they get banned, are not an idiot?




I like you, you're funny.

reply to post by canucks555


I'm sorry, you don't know anything about America gun laws.
I have had a Federal, State and local background check done as part of getting my pistol permit.
And every time I buy a gun, they check again.

Oh and

- Stiffer penalties for carrying guns near schools or giving them to minors. Thumbs up. We don`t want ass holes around schools.

What do yo mean giving them to minors? A stiffer penalty would be life, or death. And schools are gun free zones already, lot of good that did right? A gun free zone is a criminal safe haven, in fact if they passed a pointless "no more then 10rds law" and a criminal obeyed it, what good would it do? He would have time to use only one mag and reload it by hand, NO ONE WOULD BE ABLE TO STOP HIM BECAUSE IT'S A GUN FREE ZONE.

Really, until you "refresh" your memory on US gun laws, rights and the process of getting guns, I can't help you. (not that you care about facts and rights)

reply to post by GunzCoty


I dont fear anyone with guns, I dont live somewhere they are available so whats to fear.

You however do fear people with guns or else you wouldnt feel the need one.

I'm sorry, you don't know anything about America gun laws. I have had a Federal, State and local background check done as part of getting my pistol permit. And every time I buy a gun, they check again.

My bad, I didnt realise there were checks and balances in place to stop guns getting into the hands of nut jobs, I guess all these stories about shootings must be false

Originally posted by canucks555
Maybe if you were responsible enough as a peoples to use military grade weapons you wouldn't be "under fire".
But you are not responsible enough. That is certainly the truth.

We, as a whole, are responsible enough.
Before yet another Canadian runs their collective mouth, why not actually go research death rates in the US.

Originally posted by canucks555
A working group led by Vice President Biden is seriously considering measures backed by key law enforcement leaders that would require

Oh, thank God Biden is on top of things.
The Left couldn't have a dumber person in charge of that.

Originally posted by canucks555
-Universal background checks -

Excellent, then if you're a terrorist or have a criminal record, you can't have a gun. -Only a terrorist or a criminal would have a problem with that. Are you a terrorist or a criminal?

WE already have Unconstitutional background checks.
Again, another ignorant remark from a NON US citizen.

Originally posted by canucks555
-Track the movement and sale of weapons through a national database

We had this in Canada, I didn`t mind it. It meant (for me) That if any punk stole my weapons there was a serial number. If the stolen weapon was found, I would get the weapon back.

There is no need for this, as LE has NCIC for stolen firearms.
There is no need, nor is it legal to track legal firearms owned by US citizens.

Originally posted by canucks555
-Strengthen mental health checks

That`s a no brainer, unless you have mental problems and want a gun. lol.

While very fluffy and good feeling, this too is illegal and is basically part of the background check.

Originally posted by canucks555
- Stiffer penalties for carrying guns near schools or giving them to minors.
Thumbs up. We don`t want ass holes around schools. That includes disgruntled tea partyers, thank you

Yep, because bigger signs stating it is a gun free school zone will deter people.
What does minors with firearms have anything to do with this.
Along with the comment about Tea Party Members?
Other then you just getting your Progressive dig on those people?

Originally posted by canucks555
Basically you have to have some serious issues if you disagree with three of the four. The National database is kinda a waste of money, (imo) the other points, as I said, are no-brainers.

No brainers?? I agree. It would take people with no brains to agree to this crap.

Sounds like you are happy with your lack of rights to own and bear firearms in Canada. Please, keep your crap politics and stay there.

reply to post by macman


Well you folks are in the world spotlight. I know, I know. You wish non-americans would stay the hell out of your business. Then all your gun related problems would just be swept under the rug. I mean, all this attention must make you feel like Obami has his hands in your gun cabinet this very moment.
Hell, I'll bet you don't think you have a problem. except for Canadian opinion and your pesky media...
This is an international forum and yes, as a Canadian I think I have a right to say that YOU sir, have a problem down there.
Sounds like you are happy with your lack of rights to own and bear firearms in Canada. Please, keep your crap politics and stay there.

I have an acquisition possession license and a cabinet full of guns. I don't need an AR-15, I know how to aim. Thank you.

Originally posted by canucks555


Well you folks are in the world spotlight. I know, I know.

Funny as there is more gun related deaths in other countries every day, yet the MSM seems to concentrate on what they don't like and pitch it the way they want. SO, the spot light may be on, yet there are higher deaths happening else where. May I suggest you get your info from other sources, then just CNN?

Originally posted by canucks555
You wish non-americans would stay the hell out of your business. Then all your gun related problems would just be swept under the rug. I mean, all this attention must make you feel like Obami has his hands in your gun cabinet this very moment.

Yes, 0bama and Progressives do have their collective hands in peoples lives and personal aspects.

Originally posted by canucks555
Hell, I'll bet you don't think you have a problem. except for Canadian opinion and your pesky media...

Nope, buy it sure would be nice to have your Neighbor take care of their own crap before they spout off intelligently on things that really are none of their business.

Originally posted by canucks555
This is an international forum and yes, as a Canadian I think I have a right to say that YOU sir, have a problem down there.

Yes, I have heard it many times that this is an international forum.
Just because you CAN (there is no right to do so), does not mean you should.

Originally posted by canucks555
Sounds like you are happy with your lack of rights to own and bear firearms in Canada. Please, keep your crap politics and stay there.

I have an acquisition possession license and a cabinet full of guns.

Really??? You mean you had to get special permits, complete forms, pay money above and beyond what American Citizens do and you tout that is a good thing???
You truly are a wonderful SUBJECT of the Canadian Govt and English Monarchy.

Originally posted by canucks555
I don't need an AR-15, I know how to aim. Thank you.

What does that have to do with anything???

Oh I get it. Since you don't want to own an AR15, you have deemed it worthless and that no one else should own one. How very elitist of you.

What does that have to do with anything???

It has everything to do with it. A nut job walking into a public place with a bolt action 270 is gonna do a hell of a lot less damage than a wack job with a Bushmaster and a massive clip. That, sir, is a fact.

Originally posted by Honor93
reply to post by canucks555

 

if it works in Canada ...

... you can keep it.
more restrictions, of any kind, placed upon law-abiding citizens is NOT a reasonable answer to this current dilemma.

we already know it doesn't work in your country, what makes you think it would work here ?

besides, quite a bit of our armament is made in your country ... do you really want to deplete your manufacturing base in this current economy ?

Wait a minute tell us exactly how it did not work. Unlike America...Canadians do not feel the need to be armed to walk the streets of out country...we do not live in constant fear of being killed by criminals.

Our country is not run by criminals..like they do in America. Think they don't?..then why give them the power of fear over your people?

Living in fear is not a freedom...if you think it is..then you are brainwashed twit.