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Originally posted by Lazarus Short
Ho-Hum, another fictional account of "Hell." It is not verifiable by the Bible or any other means. Yes, the wicked will make an account for their sins and wickedness, but God's own Law forbids an eternal punishment for temporal crimes, or have you not read the Law of Jubilee?
Heaven, yes!
Hell, no!!edit on 27-12-2012 by Lazarus Short because: lah-de-dah
Christ spoke numerous times of eternal torment. Somehow you're more knowledgeable on these matters than Him?
Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by AfterInfinity
Can you prove it wasn't? On the other hand, His statements pass the basic standards historians use for authentication.
Originally posted by AfterInfinity
reply to post by NOTurTypical
Because methods of verifying something written over a thousand years ago must be completely foolproof and easier than a walk in the park, right? The older it is, the more guesswork involved.
Originally posted by AfterInfinity
reply to post by micmerci
Heh. Honestly, I don't care which of them said what. If the product is proven to be of quality, then why does the source matter? It seems that many people base their opinion of what was said on their thoughts concerning who said it.
Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by windword
I believe you're referring to folks at the Jesus Seminar who carry little to no credibility outside the Seminar itself. They lean towards Gnostic theology and venerate Gnostic texts at the expense of traditional historic texts. And lastly, the liberal "scholars" and textual critics are in the minority of academics, not the majority.
Commentators and other scholars tell us that the earliest manuscripts of John’s gospel do not include the story of the adulterous woman. It does not appear in any Greek manuscript until the fifth century, and no Greek church father comments on the passage prior to the twelfth century. Even then, the comments state that the accurate manuscripts do not contain this story.
When it was inserted in later manuscripts, the story of the adulterous woman appeared in different places: after John 7:52, after Luke 21:38, at the end of John; and when it does appear it is often marked off by asterisks to signal doubt about where it belongs. The story is part of an oral tradition that was circulated in the Western church, eventually finding its way into the Latin Vulgate, and from there into later Greek manuscripts.
www.pastordave.info...
Concerning the Story of the Adulteress in the Eighth Chapter of John, Biblical scholars are nearly all agreed that the Story of the Adulteress (also known as the Pericope Adulterae or the Pericope de Adultera) usually printed in Bibles as John 7:53-8:11 is a later addition to the Gospel.
www.bible-researcher.com...
Part of the problem is that the story of the adulterous woman is not found in any of the most important early Greek manuscripts that have survived, nor is it found in the Egyptian Coptic Church's Biblical texts. www.agapebiblestudy.com...
The Last 12 Verses of Mark Among the disputed passages are the final verses of the Gospel of Mark (16:9-20). (Look in your own Bible: you are likely to find an annotation that these were "added later.")
www.khouse.org...
If you are right, and there is no God, you lose nothing. But if you are wrong, you lose EVERYTHING!
Originally posted by Bixxi3
Ok which god do i need to believe to get into heaven? Will any do?
If I'm right you've wasted your whole life basing it on a lie...edit on 27-12-2012 by Bixxi3 because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Necrobile
By the gods, reading things such as this really hurts my eyes, because they can't roll enough to express my feelings on the subject. I'm so tired of all this "You're going to hell!" type stuff that quite a few christians like to spew at people. Even some people in my family.
One thing that always confused me in regards to this belief, and boggles me even more that people are so quick to believe it, is that why would an almighty, supposedly benevolent/caring/loving deity give his creations the gift of "Free Will", then punish them eternally for not doing what he says? That would be like placing all sorts of food made out of bacon all around your dog, then beat him constantly for even sniffing it. It's just a jerk move.
I'm a mere human, and even I see the idiocy behind this logic. I'm not a believer in the christian faith, but even I can see that if their god is as wise as they claim he is, that he would know better than to create a race of very curious beings, all so he could punish them for being curious. That is, unless he's an immature s***head child who just wants to torture his science experiment. If that be the case, why would you even want to give him your praise? It's like the child that has been abused their whole life, beaten and burned for anything they do, worshipping their abusive parent. A huge case of stockholm syndrome.