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Originally posted by DarthFazer
Here is that episode
Well the only type of drug that would cause these types of hallucinations would be psychedelics and they are essentially undetectable in your body....maybe in hair, definitely not blood.
Originally posted by DarthFazer
He was taken to a hospital in phoenix, the doctors could find no injuries to Walton besides what appeared to be a hole in his arm from what appeared as a intervenous injection wound. He would have had a hell of a lump on his head or a laceration from a pipe or blunt instrument. There was no head trauma and no drugs found in his system.
Originally posted by Chrisfishenstein
reply to post by Jchristopher5
Type in Travis Walton into your search bar if you liked that episode.......There are a couple REALLY long and very in depth threads about this case. You will find them much more interesting than a tv show!!!
Originally posted by Evildead
I wonder, were those humans in the UFO clones or real humans? If they were real humans, does that mean the U.S. military is working with the aliens all these years learning their technology?
Originally posted by research100
reply to post by ZetaRediculian
they never worked at night!!! why did they work only on that night??? the men passed the test because only walton and the driver were the only ones in the car that were in on it.
his mother was abnormally calm when she heard he was abducted. before he had told her he would be abducted and not to worry, that he would be ok.
the lie detecter test he took was seriously flawed.
he was not the upstanding citizen his brother claimed him to be. walton and a friend stole payroll checks and forged signatures on them,,They pleaded guilty after all was said and done their record was expunged...so technically his brother was right.
walton had a history of drug use which is very important relating to that injection mark on his arm. It was not near a vein, but would cause the symptoms he had (drug user would know this). According to Steward, when '___' is injected, no traces of the drug can be foundin blood, urine or saliva samples 18-24 hours after injection. When the Waltonsfirst came to Steward's office, Duane was extremely anxious that Travis undergo full
lab tests.
But by later that afternoon, when Dr. Kandell and Dr. Salts arrived,Duane
only wanted a more casual physical check-up. It was not until the afternoon of Nov. 13,
more than 48-hours after Travis's return, that he came to Dr. Kandell's office to
give blood and urine samples for lab analysis. Lab tests of these samples showed no traces
of illicit drugs (passed the 18 to 24 hour where it would have been detected)
Seven days after Walton had disappeared and two days after his sudden reappearance, his story was hitting the local newspapers. The Tucson Arizona Daily Star quoted Duane as saying, in part: "I'm not a UFO buff and neither is my brother" -- this flatly contradicts Duane's earlier statements to UFOlogist Fred Sylvanus.
More telling, though, were the results of the urine analysis performed on a sample from Walton. It showed no trace of drugs, but also no trace of acetone. After going without food for more than a couple of days, the body begins to break down its own fat. The waste product of this is acetone, and it is excreted in the urine. If Walton had been without food for several days, his urine should have shown some traces of acetone. Also, Walton later claimed to have lost ten pounds during his missing five days.
Originally posted by maddog99
Originally posted by Evildead
I wonder, were those humans in the UFO clones or real humans? If they were real humans, does that mean the U.S. military is working with the aliens all these years learning their technology?
I believe it was just the aliens and they created that illusion in his mind to calm him down and sedate him.edit on 10/5/2012 by maddog99 because: (no reason given)
Philip Klass, who died in August 2005, was for decades the single most prominent UFO debunker in the world. He was also the most effective, at least in relation to his ability at working the media and influencing the academic community. He wrote several books on the topic, and was a senior avionics editor for many years at Aviation Week and Space Technology. The letter was dated August 15, 1980, and addressed to Dr. A. G. McNamara of the Herzberg Institute of Astrophysics. It was unsolicited, and is a straightforward character smear of Stanton Friedman, who was at the time in the process of moving to Canada. According to Klass, Friedman was a "full-time UFO lecturer (of the ‘snake-oil salesman’ variety)." He was moving to Canada "to become its chief UFO Guru." Friedman was "quite a showman" whose lectures were "so filled with half-truths and falsehoods that it would take me several hours to offer a rebuttal. And like wrestling with an octopus, when you manage to pin down one leg, the other seven are still thrashing about." The letter disparages Friedman’s professional credentials as a nuclear physicist, twice refers to Friedman’s "mountainous ego," and calls him "something of an outcast" within the UFO "movement." All in all, a nasty and underhanded little letter. Better yet, Klass enclosed a "White Paper" he prepared on Friedman "that illustrates the man’s modus-operandi and his distortion of facts." (This White Paper was not included in the material I saw at the archives.) But why send the letter at all? Klass said he wanted to warn the good people at NRC that Friedman would now in all likelihood be directing his focus on them. "I can assure you," Klass wrote, "that you and your associates will be publicly accused of a UFO Coverup (or ‘Cosmic Coverup,’ as he is prone to say) that ‘dwarfs the Watergate scandal.’" Also, "to alert you to deal cautiously with him knowing he is inclined to distort the facts and exploit any ambiguity in your statements." The final statement is nice: "Please treat this letter in confidence, sharing it with appropriate associates as you see fit." In other words, tell as many people as you can, but behind Friedman’s back, please. I found it ironic that Klass twice mentioned Friedman’s "mountainous ego." Klass evidently felt he had no such ego problems, despite the chutzpah of such unsolicited character assassination. While he and Friedman had frequently debated publicly, their relations for years had been at least professional and cordial. [As an aside, I will mention that I never knew Klass personally, nor had I ever seen his signature before. But I have spent about 30 years doing amateur graphology (e.g. handwriting analysis). It’s been a longtime hobby of mine, and I have a small graphological library to which I occasionally refer. Klass’s signature is very partially cut off at the bottom, but you can still make it out fairly well. One thing I noticed about it is the extremely wide "P" in his first name, as well as the very wide loops of his letter "l". Any graphologist will tell you this is a typical sign of writers who are personally vain and conceited. Mountainous ego, indeed.Ultimately, I interpret this letter less as a well-meaning warning than as a direct attempt at fear mongering, aimed at scientists who were already uncomfortable with receiving UFO reports. And this was exactly the effect he achieved, judging by the internal memo it generated.
Ten days after Klass’s letter, a memo from J. L. Locke to W. A. Cumming and P. J. Choquette at the NRC mentioned the letter and worried that "we can ill afford the publicity [Friedman] will generate for us." The next statement speaks volumes about how these men thought of UFOs:
"Since there is no science in the subject of UFO’s perhaps we should think again about the possibility of turning the so-called ‘UFO file’ over to some body with no responsibility for the conduct of scientific research."One can’t help but think about the thousands of Canadian citizens who reported UFOs to the RCMP in the hopes that someone might be able to make sense of it all, or at least hoping somehow to advance the general cause of human knowledge. Oh, well. Instead, it looks as though no one was doing anything more than filing them away. This is a pity, since many reports that were sent to the NRC were truly quite interesting, seemingly very clearly observed, and intelligently described.
The National Research Council wasn’t able to unload entirely its UFO responsibilities. However, it was able to divest itself of most of the UFO files it had been holding. Apparently directly as a result of Klass’s letter, the decision was made that, as of January 1, 1981, any UFO file more than a year old (with names appropriately removed) was to be turned over to the Archives Branch of Public Archives of Canada. Incidentally, I was a bit startled to see the name "R. W. Dolan" at the top of the relevant document. I don’t know who this person was. What Klass did here was impressive. He created a bogeyman for a group of easily frightened scientists and enabled them to unload at least some of their connection with the topic of UFOs. Seen in the broader context of his career, this was his typical modus operandi.
For example, Klass had done a similar thing years before against scientist James McDonald, which I recounted in my book, UFOs and the National Security State. In 1968, McDonald had received funding from the Office of Naval Research to conduct atmospheric and cloud research in Australia. McDonald was one of the leading atmospheric physicists in the world, but was also prominent in the field of UFO research. By December of 1968, Klass learned of McDonald’s research money, courtesy of Robert Low (number two man of the infamous Condon Committee at the University of Colorado). Klass launched a letter writing campaign to bureaucrats at ONR, asking who had been responsible for funding this; moreover, he inquired, who would be funding McDonald’s upcoming trip to Europe? Klass clearly was trying to intimidate ONR – as senior editor of Aviation Week, he was in a position to do so. ONR, for its part, replied that it was satisfied with McDonald’s work, and indeed had no objection to his UFO research. Still, ONR did discontinue future funding for McDonald.
Another Klassic incident, to be mentioned in my next book, had to do with a UFO symposium which took place at the University of Nebraska on November 11 and 12, 1983 – organized by the MUFON State Director for Nebraska, Ray Boeche. Klass had learned about the event three months in advance, and immediately placed telephone calls to the Conference Coordinator, Russ Free and the Director of Conferences at the University, Robert Mortensen. Essentially, Klass wanted to know why a prestigious university would sponsor such a conference. Apparently, he was so obnoxious that the two administrators contacted MUFON International Director Walt Andrus. Moreover, the University’s Assistant to the Chancellor, Dr. John K. Yost, actually started an investigation. The reason, in part, was that Klass had said there was a political agenda to the conference. In the words of Mortensen, "Mr. Klass has a personal feeling that the nature of this conference seriously questions the integrity of the United States government. He feels that there is no scientific evidence to support the claims of the presenters and indicated that these organizations, by publicly questioning the government, lend support to the Communist movement."
That’s right. The communist movement. At any event, the conference took place as scheduled.
Thus, this most recently discovered letter is simply one more bit of evidence relating to the "legacy" of Philip J. Klass. Anyone who has surveyed the man’s life and career should understand by now that any such so-called legacy of his has nothing to do with his analysis of the UFO phenomenon, which was always shallow and politically motivated. Rather, it will be for his underhanded, sleazy, behind-the-scenes efforts to intimidate academically and scientifically qualified institutions – as well as mainstream U.S. media – away from the study of UFOs. This is work, moreover, that strongly appears to have been done on behalf of elements of the United States intelligence community. That fact may not yet be proven to the satisfaction of everyone, but the ducks are certainly lining up.
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Originally posted by Jchristopher5
Originally posted by Logarock
Originally posted by thedoctorswife
Originally posted by imitator
Originally posted by thedoctorswife
Maybe your more au fait with the details than i am, but why would his friends bust him over his head, ive seen it mentioned earlier that Travis had employment issues with regard to his contract, b;ut why would they do that?
Only his buddies might know, it could of been an accident... maybe they thought they killed Travis by accident and left him for dead?edit on 4-10-2012 by imitator because: (no reason given)
Mmnn, you think these are the sort of men that would leave him for dead? they were tough no nonsense hard working guys, personally i dont see them running away from their responsibilities, that is the feeling i have about them anyway.
Maybe we have all see these sorts of lame tales. Hit over the head and dreamed of UFOs.....stuff traped in his mind from UFO mags indeed? Why didnt he see playboy bunnies, mother goose and Santa? If someone hit you over the head would you see red dragons? Maybe Glyndwr riding through the glenn? Noswiath daa! Yes! The Lady in the Lake!edit on 4-10-2012 by Logarock because: sp
Yes, maybe we could imagine all sorts of things with head trauma.
However, what we can't imagine is 5 witnesses observing you being zapped by a UFO, and all passing polygraph tests about the sighting.
Why try to imagine this didn't happen? Does it make you feel better somehow? Follow the facts. The facts clearly show that Travis had an out-of-this-world experience.
Originally posted by Jchristopher5
I just watched a mind-blowing episode regarding the Travis Walton case. Perhaps the best case for an alien presence known. Here are a summary of the facts:
1. Back from a day of logging, the crew was headed home when they witnessed strange lights in the Arizona forest.
2. As they got closer they all claimed to see a brilliantly lit, beautiful, disk shaped metallic object.
3. Walton, who knew little fear, got out of their truck and walked towards the craft. The crew shouted for him to come back but he refused to listen.
4. He as taken up into the craft and the crew fled in fear.
5. They reported this to the local sheriff who thought they were lying or pulling a prank. Or worse, murder.
6. All except for one passed a lie detector test about Walton being taken by the UFO. The other one passed it years later.
7. Walton was gone for several days, and came back unshaven in the same clothes.
8. Walton told of 4 foot beings and a medical exam. He remember a lot about his visit, and being let off an enormous craft.
9. The police detective who administered the lie detector tests calculated the odds at over 1 million to one that all of these guys could have been lying.
SyFy will reshot this. Check it out if you get time. Anyone else catch it?
edit on 4-10-2012 by Jchristopher5 because: Typos fixed (probably still missed some)
Originally posted by flashtrum
reply to post by research100
The particular test is pretty much mired in controversy if you look at other sources. How do you explain him passing other tests? He was also hardly a hardened criminal - his check fraud incident happened early in his life, he got probation for it because he had a clean record, and that's the extent of it.
I'm not sure why the whole nighttime thing bothers you. So they worked late one night? They had a job to do and perhaps needed to complete certain tasks by certain dates. I'd have to dive back into the story because I don't remember anything but that the explanation was plausible. These guys all passed more than one test.
I, for one, believe Travis Walton.
Originally posted by research100
here is my source: www.debunker.com... it is very thorough and includes copies of letters philip j klass sent and received....
they NEVER worked at night except on That night.....use common sense.....
big money problems...this had the PERFECT timing to take care of it.
he didn't eat for 5 days...nothing in the urine that would be there if you haven't eaten in 5 days
he never said he was fed orally or through an iv....the only mark on his body was an injection puncture mark..BUT it
was NOT near a vein so could not be used to give nutrition.
The others could pass the lie detector test if they were set up and THOUGHT they saw a ufo.
during a tape recorded interview travis stated "I rushed into the first phone booth and called my mother" this is a lie...there was no phone in the home she lived in snowflake, nor in the house on the gibson ranch in the mountains.
his brother said there was no dr in snowflake which is true...BUT he took him really far to phoenix when he could have gone 16 miles to show lo to a clinic there.
the other work problem was that the guy who was in charge had already defaulted once..it turned out he was moonlighting, and the forest service didn't know until klass brought them them proof.
edit on 5-10-2012 by research100 because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by The Shrike
Originally posted by Jchristopher5
I just watched a mind-blowing episode regarding the Travis Walton case. Perhaps the best case for an alien presence known. Here are a summary of the facts:
1. Back from a day of logging, the crew was headed home when they witnessed strange lights in the Arizona forest.
2. As they got closer they all claimed to see a brilliantly lit, beautiful, disk shaped metallic object.
3. Walton, who knew little fear, got out of their truck and walked towards the craft. The crew shouted for him to come back but he refused to listen.
4. He as taken up into the craft and the crew fled in fear.
5. They reported this to the local sheriff who thought they were lying or pulling a prank. Or worse, murder.
6. All except for one passed a lie detector test about Walton being taken by the UFO. The other one passed it years later.
7. Walton was gone for several days, and came back unshaven in the same clothes.
8. Walton told of 4 foot beings and a medical exam. He remember a lot about his visit, and being let off an enormous craft.
9. The police detective who administered the lie detector tests calculated the odds at over 1 million to one that all of these guys could have been lying.
SyFy will reshot this. Check it out if you get time. Anyone else catch it?
edit on 4-10-2012 by Jchristopher5 because: Typos fixed (probably still missed some)
You are an excellent example of gullibility. You're wrong, this tale of flim-flam is not the best case for alleged alien "presence", the Hill's case beats it by a mile. And even the Hill's case has been proven to be a tale. You are not alone in believing the Walton case really happened as claimed, it is another believers' mantra.
Nothing that you repeat above is based on fact and the explanations by those who have done in-depth research reflect the truth. Google "Travis Walton Hoax" and you'll see
Here is a source for another nail in Walton's bs story:
Sherrif’s nephew claims Travis Walton Hoax well known?
ufomedia.blogspot.com...
Here's another one:
Bad UFOs: Skepticism, UFOs, and The Universe
badufos.blogspot.com...
You can also go to youtube for the visuals.
Do yourself a favor that is sure to improve and enrich your life, DON'T BELIEVE EVERYTHING!