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Originally posted by EvilSadamClone
And saying that Mormons aren't true Christians is the no true Scotsman fallacy.
Mormons actually feel insulted when they're referred to as Christians.
Originally posted by EvilSadamClone
But it doesn't help when they put an oath to God first before everything else and have strong Christian overtones.
LAW
On my honour I promise that:-
1. A Scout's honour is to be trusted.
2. A Scout is Loyal to the King and to his officers, and to his country, and to his employers.
3. A Scout's duty is to be useful and to help others.
4. A Scout is a friend to all and a brother to every other Scout, no matter to what social class the other belongs.
5. A Scout is Courteous.
6. A Scout is a friend to animals.
7. A Scout obeys orders of his patrol leader or scout master without question.
8. A Scout smiles and whistles under all circumstances.
9. A Scout is thrifty.
www.netpages.free-online.co.uk...
According to its mission statement, the Boy Scouts of America seeks "to prepare young people to make ethical and moral choices over their lifetimes by instilling in them the values of the Scout Oath and Law".[1] All members are required, as a condition of membership, to promise to uphold and obey both of these pledges. The texts of BSA's Scout Oath and Scout Law for Boy Scouting have remained unchanged since they were approved in 1911,[4] and every member agrees to follow them on their application form.
Scout Oath On my honor I will do my best To do my duty to God and my country and to obey the Scout Law; To help other people at all times; To keep myself physically strong, mentally awake, and morally straight.
Scout Law A Scout is trustworthy, loyal, helpful, friendly, courteous, kind, obedient, cheerful, thrifty, brave, clean, and reverent.
Spirituality has been an integral part of the international Scouting movement since its inception.
OATH OF ALLEGIENCE
All soldiers must take an oath of allegiance upon joining the Army, a process known as attestation. Those who wish to swear by God use the following words:
I, [soldier's name], swear by Almighty God that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II, her heirs and successors and that I will as in duty bound honestly and faithfully defend Her Majesty, her heirs and successors in person, crown and dignity against all enemies and will observe and obey all orders of Her Majesty, her heirs and successors and of the generals and officers set over me.
Others replace the words "swear by Almighty God" with "solemnly, sincerely and truly declare and affirm".Under the reign of another monarch, the name of the monarch and all pronouns with gender are replaced appropriately.
en.wikipedia.org...
If you look back at my previous posts not once did I advocate legislation which would force the BSA to admit gays and atheists, and I would oppose such legislation.
I said:
But people like myself find it necessary to use speech to speak out against bigotry in attempt to open up a dialaouge so solutions and progress can be made.
We probably don't, however I think certain forms of morality can be judged objectively. For example the reason why gays and atheists are not allowed in scouting has a religious connotation, which in my opinion has no bases in reality, therefore there is no rational reason to deny them entry.
wiki
Boy Scouts of America et al. v. Dale, 530 U.S. 640 (2000), was a case of the Supreme Court of the United States decided on June 28, 2000, that held that the constitutional right to freedom of association allows a private organization like the Boy Scouts of America (BSA) to exclude a person from membership when "the presence of that person affects in a significant way the group's ability to advocate public or private viewpoints."[1] The Supreme Court ruled that opposition to homosexuality is part of BSA's "expressive message" and that allowing homosexuals as adult leaders would interfere with that message.
This is especially true when it comes to atheists; a valid argument could be made about allowing gay teenagers to sleep in the same tents as straight boys but the argument is very very thin because there is no evidence that gay teenagers in scouting are coaxing straight teenagers into sex.
Originally posted by Annee
reply to post by EvilSadamClone
I know.
I recently went through this Boy Scout discussion somewhere else. Can't remember why or where.
Anyway - - the BSA originated from the British scouting - - - which was patterned after the military.
Here is the British military oath. What I find interesting is the British military now has alternate wording for non-god believers.
Christians in America latched onto the Boy Scouts (like they did almost everything else) and made it religious based.
OATH OF ALLEGIENCE
All soldiers must take an oath of allegiance upon joining the Army, a process known as attestation. Those who wish to swear by God use the following words:
I, [soldier's name], swear by Almighty God that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II, her heirs and successors and that I will as in duty bound honestly and faithfully defend Her Majesty, her heirs and successors in person, crown and dignity against all enemies and will observe and obey all orders of Her Majesty, her heirs and successors and of the generals and officers set over me.
Others replace the words "swear by Almighty God" with "solemnly, sincerely and truly declare and affirm".Under the reign of another monarch, the name of the monarch and all pronouns with gender are replaced appropriately.
en.wikipedia.org...
Originally posted by popcornmafia
Whats next transgender girls girls who think their boys being forcibly allowed to.join.stop this non sense
Originally posted by Annee
hmmmm OK
I have a grandson who may want to join boy scouts.
I have reason to be concerned.
Originally posted by NavyDoc
Originally posted by Annee
hmmmm OK
I have a grandson who may want to join boy scouts.
I have reason to be concerned.
Wouldn't that really be the business of his mom and dad?
Originally posted by EvilSadamClone
reply to post by LadyGreenEyes
Here's a couple for you:
en.wikipedia.org...
www.thehumanist.org...
And don't dismiss a show just because. It's doesn't mean they do not have an invalid point. That in itself is a fallacy. They do have some legitimate points in the episode about the discrimination.
And saying that Mormons aren't true Christians is the no true Scotsman fallacy.
So because YOU believe the BSA’s decision to exclude gays has religious connotations then the first amendment is somehow null and void?
Wikipedia as a source? really?
"Because we have the right" or "There beliefs are not compatible with ours.".
Originally posted by Annee
hmmmm OK
I have a grandson who may want to join boy scouts.
I have reason to be concerned.
Originally posted by Annee
Originally posted by NavyDoc
Originally posted by Annee
hmmmm OK
I have a grandson who may want to join boy scouts.
I have reason to be concerned.
Wouldn't that really be the business of his mom and dad?
You don't know the situation do you.
His dad died of Cancer - - his mom works long hours.
I am his primary caretaker - - by necessity. Besides that my daughter and I agree on most things.