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Originally posted by eriktheawful
reply to post by PlanetXisHERE
The faces of both Jupiter and Saturn are very dynamic and do not stay the same. They are constantly changing weather patterns on both.
Even familiar features, like the Great Red Spot on Jupiter is subject to changes, and will one day disappear.
Just as a snap shot of the Earth from space, the weather on our planet changes with every hour. Cloud formations change and move. Tropical storms form, strengthen and weaken, they also move about.
I'm afraid pointing at 2 gas giants that also have clouds and weather systems, and saying: Look! They don't look the same as last year! is not going to help prove some outside body.
just add to the mountain of evidence for the existence of Planet X.
Originally posted by eriktheawful
reply to post by PlanetXisHERE
People respond to threads like this because it's a forum.
Not because it proves something.
If you have a very large group of people (ATS Members), who are a diverse group, with many different backgrounds and beliefs, you will have people respond, discuss, post opinions, argue, agree, etc, etc.
The only thing it proves is that this is a forum where people can talk back.
Jupiter and Saturn's faces changing in big ways is surprising to us, sure. But then, how long have we been observing them this close and in such detail? Not that long actually. So what is the norm, and what is not?
That question is based upon how long we've been observing something.
You say it's not evidence itself, but belongs to a "mountain" of evidence. And that is the problem: you lump everything together, trying to connect the dots, when the dots may not even be there.
This is the same as saying Atlantis exists because:
You read about it in a book. Proof
Your neighbor washed his car....and he NEVER does that! It's Proof!
A hurricane hit some city, and it's never been hit by one before! Proof!
There's a type of tree that grows on the east coast of the US, and it also grows on the west coast of Africa! Proof!
The neighbor wants to sell his car, so he washed it. Hurricanes can hit many places that may not have been hit since we've been recording whether, and it's possible that the trees were imported, or are indigenous to both areas.
So it seems you grab at anything and say it's "evidence", and when people try to explain things to you:
Claim that the very fact that they are responding is proof too.
4. Some people get offended at Planet X speculation, why? Are not there literally dozens of threads on ATS about possible end of the world doom, such as pandemics, Near Earth Objects, WWIII, alien invasion, the rapture, cosmic ribbons or clouds, gamma ray bursts, EMP attacks, NWO takeover etc etc - are those topics less "scary" than Planet X topics? Am I on the wrong website? Is this the wrong forum? Hasn't Planet X been mentioned on many episodes to Scooby Doo this year, not to mention specials on the history Channel on Nemesis/Planet X? If you don't like Planet X threads are you unable to stop yourself from clicking on them?
Originally posted by PlanetXisHERE
Originally posted by eriktheawful
reply to post by PlanetXisHERE
The faces of both Jupiter and Saturn are very dynamic and do not stay the same. They are constantly changing weather patterns on both.
Even familiar features, like the Great Red Spot on Jupiter is subject to changes, and will one day disappear.
Just as a snap shot of the Earth from space, the weather on our planet changes with every hour. Cloud formations change and move. Tropical storms form, strengthen and weaken, they also move about.
I'm afraid pointing at 2 gas giants that also have clouds and weather systems, and saying: Look! They don't look the same as last year! is not going to help prove some outside body.
I understand Saturn and Jupiter are not static, but these events seem to go beyond what we usually see, here is an article calling the Saturn storm a "Once in a generation storm" - clearly not an everyday event for observers on earth:
Article on "Once in a generation" storm on Saturn
And here is another article on Jupiter losing it's ring, called a "Big Mystery", what a JPL planetary scientist calls "A big event":
Article on: "BIG Mystery: Jupiter loses a stripe"
So to sum, these events are hardly the norm with these planets (while still within the realm of what theoretically could be expected), and while looked at in isolation hardly offer conclusive evidence of Planet X being in our solar system - I don't believe I said that - just add to the mountain of evidence for the existence of Planet X. If it is ridiculous to even think about this, then why will this post get any responses? Again, if this is ridiculous to contemplate, why does this thread have a few hundred posts? Do these people post on all threads they consider "ridiculous"? Why choose this one?edit on 29-9-2012 by PlanetXisHERE because: spelling
This isn't the first time the SEB has faded out. "The SEB fades at irregular intervals, most recently in 1973-75, 1989-90, 1993, 2007, 2010," says John Rogers, director of the British Astronomical Association's Jupiter Section. "The 2007 fading was terminated rather early, but in the other years the SEB was almost absent, as at present." The return of the SEB can be dramatic.
But about once every Saturn year - the equivalent of about 30 Earth years - something stirs deep below the clouds that leads to a dramatic planet-wide disturbance. The phenomenon occurs as spring comes to Saturn's northern hemisphere.
Originally posted by Xcalibur254
reply to post by PlanetXisHERE
The thing is physics precludes the possibility of a large mass object passing through the solar system every 3,600 years. After even a few passes the Earth would have been launched into the recesses of space.Even if we ignore this fact the original source for these claims, Sitchin, said it wouldn't come around for another 900 years. So why would there be reason to believe that this object would return this year? Some nonexistent 2012 Mayan prophecy created by charlatans?
Originally posted by ngchunter
reply to post by PlanetXisHERE
Care to guess the year this photo of Jupiter was taken?
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Note that the south equatorial belt, which normally surrounds the great red spot, is missing.
Care to guess the year this photo of Saturn was taken?
i319.photobucket.com...
It shows a massive "great white spot" storm enveloping the planet
*Apologies on the color balance on that one. I know it's not perfect, I processed the raw Hubble data myself and I'm still trying to perfect my technique at combining the image data into a color image.
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Originally posted by ManjushriPrajna
Internal lense sun flare. They don't go away when you cover the sun, the mechanics of the camera simply don't work that way.
Also, on your last point, you're on ATS. "Deny Ignorance". If it can be debunked, it will be debunked, such as what has been done to the fantastical Planet X/Nibiru theory since 2003.