Israel vs. Iran: On the Brink?

I hope palpatine is not working both sides of this conflict to spread USA troops all over the middle east before he executes Order 66.

Originally posted by THE_PROFESSIONAL
Egrodan is a US-UK-Israel sympathizer

Haha! Erdogan an Israel sympathizer! How amusing.

The last thing Syria needs is a Turkish invasion force on the ground. It may be history but the Assyrians among other groups in Syria were victims of Turkish genocide last time they occupied the region. Wounds like that don't heal fast and there is no doubt plenty of people in Syria who are going to be more than a little sceptical their intentions if they invade. Even if their intentions are good foreign soldiers are often not well received by the population they are trying to liberate.

Well I hope that other nations simply leave Syria
alone to deal with its own internal problems.
I dont see the point of Turkey sacrificing their young
for conflict that is of no business to them.

reply to post by FoosM


If this is true then the ball is in the Russian court, Will Putin call the wests bluff and drop a few well placed tactical nukes inside the Turkish border.I think Putin might realize that this is the time for Russia to step back onto the world stage and let the world know it means business?

Originally posted by FoosM
Well I hope that other nations simply leave Syria
alone to deal with its own internal problems.
I dont see the point of Turkey sacrificing their young
for conflict that is of no business to them.

There are very good reasons for Turkey to sacrifice their young.

1: A permanent expansion of Turkeys borders if they move large numbers of men into Syria (especially if Syria uses WMD's) and gives the Turks the capacity to bleed Syria dry of opposition they wont be leaving, EVER. It's not quite the same as when America invades over seas, we have "police actions" because holding a foreign territory overseas is not really plausible, mass graves in Syria = a minor return to the Ottoman Empire

2: The above is further enhanced if we end up at war with Iran which is also on Turkeys border, even if the bulk of fight with Iran is USA and Israel, given that we need help, given that Iran is a more serious threat, given that Turkey is a member of Nato neither us nor Israel would be free to say a damned thing if the Turks decide to give us a little help in northern Iran and keep a few pieces of it for themselves in fact the whole Syria situation and aiding us leaves them wide open to get away with dealing with the Kurds in the process, something that would be widely ignored given the scope of the fighting

If you take the time to picture Turkey dealing with Syria, helping in Northern Iran and having "no choice" but to fight "Back" wink wink against Kurds, well, when that fight is done Turkey will extend through Northern Iraq Iran and Syria which if we look at a map is almost Literally a return to the borders of the Ottoman Empire (at least the Middle Eastern portion of it)

Very well worth it for Turkey

reply to post by CaptainBeno


USA IS NATO...alot of people do not realize that.

In last 30 years , Turkish Army has had troops numbering up to 340000 in the area concerned .

There is no need for Turks to attack Syria unless they are attacked first .

Obviously there are Turks in Syria ( about 2.5 million ) and they can determine their own future .

If this fight is to be between Syrian & Turkish Armies , it would be over fairly quickly .

Idiots around Esad will probably use chemical weapons at some stage and should that happen , it will become a nightmare .

History does indeed repeat .

In the 31st year of Josiah (641/640-610) king of Judah (i.e. in 610 BCE), Necho II entered Palestine and attacked the king of Assyria. This year of 610 BCE was a Sabbath year. The Book of the Law had been found in the Temple in the 18th year of Josiah, and the Temple was cleansed and the Passover kept.

However, Judah was condemned by their actions (2Chr. 34:8-33). The people kept the Sabbath of the Passover from Josiah’s 18th year to his 31st year (611/10), and the Temple was cleansed. At the end of winter of 610/9, probably well before the New Year, Pharaoh Necho moved through Judah to go to Syria to engage in operations there.

On the way, Josiah opposed him. Necho killed Josiah at Megiddo (2Kgs. 23:29-30; 2Chr. 35:20-26) and continued on to Syria. Josiah was buried at Jerusalem and Jehoahaz was made king in his stead. After three months he was taken captive to Riblah in Hamath.
He was placed in bands, and tribute was levied on Judah of 100 talents of silver and a talent of gold each year. Pharaoh Necho made Eliakim, son of Josiah, king in his stead. He renamed him Jehoiakim and then returned to Egypt in 609 with Jehoahaz a captive, where he died.

Herodotus gives the impression that the canal work was undertaken first before the campaigns north; however, the Cimmerians and the Scythians had entered Asia Minor and decimated the Assyrian Empire, assisting the Babylonians.
Necho had to hurry north to assist the Assyrians who were concentrated on Harran. Some historians hold this move to have been in the winter/spring period of early 609 rather than 610.

However, the sequence does not fully support this view.

In 609 BCE King Nabopolassar of Babylon captured Kumukh which cut off the Egyptian army that Necho had based at Carchemish. Necho responded the following year by retaking Kumukh after a four-month siege, and executed the Babylonian garrison.
Nabopolassar brought forth another army, which he encamped at Qurumati on the Euphrates. The Babylonian army under the crown prince suffered a severe setback in 606 BCE.

Narbopolassar allegedly returned to Babylon in January, through bad health, and he died 16 August 605 BCE.

reply to post by tonycodes

Iran is a predator state.

I think he has Iran mixed up with USA on this comment.

I for one have never counted out the last vestiges of the Ottoman Empire. They endured for thousands of years, and most of the territory in question was Ottoman until the Mandate Era. Turkey may not seem like much on paper, but think about it for a moment. Even at it's weakest, the Ottoman's held Constantinople (modern Istanbul) throughout it's entire history. And they were the one's that eventually toppled the Eastern Roman Empire (Byzantine).

Would you make the mistake of ever thinking they weren't still a major player? 1923 isn't that long ago, and I'm sure there are still people that remember Israel(Palestine) , Syria, Jordan, Iraq, Lebanon, Egypt were Ottoman territories. because of this Turkey could go either way, siding with NATO (which they have shown they do not always do) or going rogue and using the turmoil to take back what they lost after WW1.

It's a whole new ballgame if they get involved.

It's all talk. 17 months have gone by while everyone is watching this idiot kill his people. Russia and China are cutting oil deals with Syria so they aren't doing anything about it. The US is in an election year, so they are not doing anything about it. Israel is talking out of both sides of their mouth as ususal. The UK, not sure what's going on there, but they're not doing anything either.

It's all talk. I say crap or get off the pot already. The weather is more interesting than all these empty threats.

reply to post by vkey08

Would you make the mistake of ever thinking they weren't still a major player? 1923 isn't that long ago, and I'm sure there are still people that remember Israel(Palestine) , Syria, Jordan, Iraq, Lebanon, Egypt were Ottoman territories. because of this Turkey could go either way, siding with NATO (which they have shown they do not always do) or going rogue and using the turmoil to take back what they lost after WW1.

You're closer to the truth than you know. It's about re-establishing the Caliphate. All those countries flipped in the Arab Spring ending up in muslim brotherhood hands and Now they have control of Egypt and soon to be Syria and probably Saudi Arabia. The drums of war are beating.

Wait.. why did the thread title changed to "Isarel vs Iran on the brink" ?
What the hell?

Syria has been arming the Syrian Kurds, for one reason, that they do not get along with the rebels who are Arabs.
Turkey sees Syrian Kurdistan as a threat because they imagine it as a safe haven for Turkish Kurds on the run from that government. They would love to stomp on all Kurds and use the excuse of creating a "humanitarian Safe Zone" .
Turkey has been conducting a methodical genocide against the Kurds for the last forty years and are stepping it up in the face of an autonomous Kurdistan in Iraq, and the fact that Turkey operates a pipeline from the western Iraqi oil fields to the Mediteranian coast, which is on top of Kurdish territory, and could conceivably blow it up if they had a mind to it.

Originally posted by jmdewey60
Syria has been arming the Syrian Kurds, for one reason, that they do not get along with the rebels who are Arabs.
Turkey sees Syrian Kurdistan as a threat because they imagine it as a safe haven for Turkish Kurds on the run from that government. They would love to stomp on all Kurds and use the excuse of creating a "humanitarian Safe Zone" .
Turkey has been conducting a methodical genocide against the Kurds for the last forty years and are stepping it up in the face of an autonomous Kurdistan in Iraq, and the fact that Turkey operates a pipeline from the western Iraqi oil fields to the Mediteranian coast, which is on top of Kurdish territory, and could conceivably blow it up if they had a mind to it.

edit on 22-8-2012 by jmdewey60 because: (no reason given)

Turks are the biggest investors in Kurdistan in Iraq . In fact , if its not for Turks protecting it , there would be no sustainable Kurdistan in Iraq .

Turkey has no intentions of helping the U.S., Nato or Israel. Turkey has their own interest in expanding their boarders. The problem is when they move Russia will see it as a NATO intervention unless Turkey agrees to a deal with Russia prior. I don't think Russia will stick to any deals and will invade Turkey after quickly running over Georgia. Russian forces will be headed to Israel to help the Muslim Brotherhood and Iran in their invasion of Israel in a larger move to outflank Turkish forces who would be largely concentrated in Syria.

This is why the bible states the invaders who all want to invade Israel will be confused fighting each other. None of these nations know how to fight with each other.

Israel not wanting to be over ran and face extinction will nuke the hell out of the invaders and GOD himself will destroy any Russian missiles from making it to Israeli territory.

reply to post by 23432

Turks are the biggest investors in Kurdistan in Iraq . In fact , if its not for Turks protecting it , there would be no sustainable Kurdistan in Iraq .

So is that why the Turkish military does cross-border incursions into Iraq to blow up Kurds?

reply to post by Patriotsrevenge

Israel not wanting to be over ran and face extinction will nuke the hell out of the invaders and GOD himself will destroy any Russian missiles from making it to Israeli territory.

And that is why Israel decided to not bother arming themselves?
Obviously Israel is not trusting in God to save them and are doing things preemptively before there could ever be an invasion.

Muslims caliphate in mid-east will not take place now , not in this time. If turks invades iran then russia will intervene and this might trigger ww3 (Hope Not). All hell will break lose. The next superpower is israel. First they need to destabilise syria and take full control of the oil field then they will lead US to strike iran and that will lead US Economy downfall. Once iran will be israeli control then the world shall witness the truth.


islamic eschatology

Originally posted by penninja

Originally posted by FoosM
Well I hope that other nations simply leave Syria
alone to deal with its own internal problems.
I dont see the point of Turkey sacrificing their young
for conflict that is of no business to them.

There are very good reasons for Turkey to sacrifice their young.

1: A permanent expansion of Turkeys borders if they move large numbers of men into Syria (especially if Syria uses WMD's) and gives the Turks the capacity to bleed Syria dry of opposition they wont be leaving, EVER. It's not quite the same as when America invades over seas, we have "police actions" because holding a foreign territory overseas is not really plausible, mass graves in Syria = a minor return to the Ottoman Empire

2: The above is further enhanced if we end up at war with Iran which is also on Turkeys border, even if the bulk of fight with Iran is USA and Israel, given that we need help, given that Iran is a more serious threat, given that Turkey is a member of Nato neither us nor Israel would be free to say a damned thing if the Turks decide to give us a little help in northern Iran and keep a few pieces of it for themselves in fact the whole Syria situation and aiding us leaves them wide open to get away with dealing with the Kurds in the process, something that would be widely ignored given the scope of the fighting

If you take the time to picture Turkey dealing with Syria, helping in Northern Iran and having "no choice" but to fight "Back" wink wink against Kurds, well, when that fight is done Turkey will extend through Northern Iraq Iran and Syria which if we look at a map is almost Literally a return to the borders of the Ottoman Empire (at least the Middle Eastern portion of it)

Very well worth it for Turkey

edit on 22-8-2012 by penninja because: (no reason given)

Like I said weeks ago, this will be the rebirth of the Ottoman empire. Turkey are just waiting for the ideal time to waltz in, and reclaim what was once theirs.