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Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
That person bought the same things about socialism/communism as you seem to have bought, but he woke up to reality... He didn't participate in the executions done by the castro brothers and Che Guevara...
Care to show what I twisted?...
Oh please... You obviously have no idea that Cubans die in the ocean, or eaten by sharks trying to get out of there. Not to mention that what happens in other countries like Haiti, is not because of capitalism...
Again, you are only showing ignorance and nothing more.
Originally posted by daskakik
Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
Care to show what I twisted?...
Nope, because you have never acknowledged it when it has been pointed out in the past so I don't see why it would be any different now.
Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
Originally posted by SG-17
If this is true (and I severely doubt it) I would have to say ABOUT DAMN TIME.
I see, so you are one of them who has accepted the indoctrination fully... nice knowing you...
BTW, if you like socialism/communism so much why haven't you moved to a country that has fully embraced it instead of wanting another nation to fall into another leftwinger dictatorship?...edit on 3-8-2012 by ElectricUniverse because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by daskakik
I don't really care when he had a change of heart. You're the one that equates communists/socialists to nazis.
Originally posted by daskakik
Nope, because you have never acknowledged it when it has been pointed out in the past so I don't see why it would be any different now.
Originally posted by daskakik
I have also met cubans that had the opportunity to defect and decided to return to Cuba. People have different ways of looking at things.
Originally posted by daskakik
Doesn't matter why, that fact remains that a country being capitalist does not keep these things from happening.
Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
Again, your reading comprehension needs some help. I wrote that facism is a form of socialism, and I proved it. Understand the difference now to what you are twisting and claiming I wrote?
In other words, I didn't twist anything I wrote in this thread and you can't prove your claim... Thank you very much.
Yeah, I also saw the film by Oliver Stone where some Cubans had tried to leave by kidnapping a personal plane of a Cuban official, and when Stone interviewed them, after fidel had "talked" to them, they said that they took responsibility for what they did and accepted the sentence for trying to escape which was if I remember correctly death... It's not like the Cuban government would threaten with killing their family if these Cubans didn't say these things to Stone...
Ah, so MOST Americans in the U.S.A. have been going hungry, not making enough at all for the necessities for decades?... I see...
In other words, I didn't twist anything I wrote in this thread and you can't prove your claim... Thank you very much.
Civil war erupted between the "Red" (Bolshevik), and "White" (anti-Bolshevik) factions, which was to continue for several years, with the Bolsheviks ultimately victorious. In this way the Revolution paved the way for the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics (USSR). While many notable historical events occurred in Moscow and St. Petersburg, there was also a visible movement in cities throughout the state, among national minorities throughout the empire and in the rural areas, where peasants took over and redistributed land.
The indirect reason was that the government, in order to finance the war, had been printing off millions of rouble notes, and by 1917 inflation had made prices increase up to four times what they had been in 1914. The peasantry were consequently faced with the higher cost of purchases, but made no corresponding gain in the sale of their own produce, since this was largely taken by the middlemen on whom they depended. As a result they tended to hoard their grain and to revert to subsistence farming. Thus the cities were constantly short of food. At the same time rising prices led to demands for higher wages in the factories, and in January and February 1916 revolutionary propaganda, aided by German funds, lead to widespread strikes. The outcome of all this, however, was a growing criticism of the government rather than any war-weariness. The original fever of patriotic excitement, which had caused the name of St. Petersburg to be changed to the less German sounding Petrograd, may have subsided a little in the subsequent years, but it had not turned to defeatism and during the initial risings in Petrograd in February 1917, the crowds in the streets clearly objected to the banners proclaiming "down with the war". Heavy losses during the war also strengthened thoughts that Tsar Nicholas II was unfit to rule.[3]
Communism is either dead or is dying
Originally posted by SG-17
Because there haven't been any Communist countries.
There have only been Leninist, Stalinist, Maoist, Juche, and Castrian governments who march under the banner of Communism but aren't true communists in the slightest. The day that there is a True Communist nations, I'd gladly move there, for it would be a utopia by definition.
“The theory of Communism may be summed up in one sentence: Abolish all private property” Karl Marx quotes (German political Philosopher and revolutionary, 1818-1883)
“Philosophy is to the real world as masturbation is to sex”
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“Religion is the impotence of the human mind to deal with occurrences it cannot understand”
Karl Marx quotes (German political Philosopher and revolutionary, 1818-1883)
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Originally posted by Tiger5
The OP represents nothing more than the basest case of scaremongering. Communism is either dead or is dying. Such red under the bed scare tactics and defamation might of scared the sheeple in the days of Joe Macarthy but simply hold no water today!
Originally posted by daskakik
Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
Since when is being a Cuban equal to being a NAZI?...
According to you, since they are both socialists.
I had an uncle who was a captain under castro's command fighting in "La Sierra Maestra", when he saw what castro was truly bringing to Cuba he turned his weapon, alongside other officers and soldiers, against castro and Che Guevara... Because of this he spent 15 years in a Cuban prison where he recieved daily beatings... Because of the beatings he lost a testicle, several vertebrae were dislodged in his spine, and had countless broken and fractured bones... He died in exile in the U.S. a few years back...
So, same type of stories exist coming the other way.
I guess according to you he was also a NAZI for TRULY fighting for the people when he saw the truth about socialism/communism?...
I was just using your terms, which I don't really agree with anyway.
I have already visited my family in Cuba in the year 2000 and spent about 3 months living with them...
There is NOTHING positive about socialism/communism...
And yet you live. You didn't starve to death, get sent to a gulag or stand before a firing squad. Guess it wasn't all that bad. Had it been as bad as you make it out to be you would have not spent 3 whole months there.
What they need now is money (which they use mainly to buy food in the black market), medicine and clothes which we send them instead of wasting the money on going there.
Not much different than many capitalist 3rd world countries with democratically elected representative government under a constitutional republic. And many of those don't have an embargo placed on them. Go figure.
edit on 3-8-2012 by daskakik because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by 2manyquestions
I don't like to insult people and I wish I could force myself to resist it at this moment, but this is probably the most asinine reply I have ever read on ATS to this date.