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Originally posted by waynos
How do you know that there is more traffic? Are you under the impression that you can see every flight that passes over you? This would be a mistake. Do you think that the reason you believe there is more traffic could be because an approaching weather front (the one that brought the storm) created the conditions whereby all, or at
least more, of the flights overhead produced visible trails, and under normal weather conditions most of them pass unnoticed?
If you have a smartphone you can download a Flightradar 24 app that will let you track flights, if you zoom out a little you may be surprised to see just how many aircraft there really are in the sky.
In your previous post you referred to the difference between chem and contrails. Do you understand why this is not actually correct?
Now aren't you a quick one to attack? For all you questions please refer to my previous post. Yes anecdotal evidence is just that.
If you see a persisting trail stretching right across the sky, have you ever considered what volume of material a plane would need to carry in order to create a visible trail that looked like that from a minimum of 7 miles away (right above your head) and hundreds of miles across the sky? Contrails are truly vast and when you see a plane do something like a fuel dump its over in seconds and quickly vanishes.edit on 1-8-2012 by waynos because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by missvicky
Having said all that.... now if one of these "scientists" can expalin to me that after years of normal air traffic cons or chems aside...that suddenly there is a constant level of air traffic that is over and above normal;
that is flying not only tandem but across, forming a grid like pattern ( how how would I know it's a grid like pattern?
Because of the spraying that lingered in the air waiting for the coastal winds to push it all east) ; and this sudden increase in air traffic lasted all day and ONLY that day.
Interestingly enough, a few days after seeing this constant spraying, there were some devestating storms on the East Coast. Coinkydinky?
I believe "scientists" like I believe in the cupacabra....may or may not be fact. But I DO believe my own "lieing eyes".
Originally posted by waynosIf you have a smartphone you can download a Flightradar 24 app that will let you track flights,
Originally posted by Aloysius the Gaul
Originally posted by missvicky
Having said all that.... now if one of these "scientists" can expalin to me that after years of normal air traffic cons or chems aside...that suddenly there is a constant level of air traffic that is over and above normal;
How have you measured air traffic to determine what is normal, and what is the measure now that is "not normal"?
that is flying not only tandem but across, forming a grid like pattern ( how how would I know it's a grid like pattern?
On the Pacific coast - well you have a heap of air traffic going north/south up & down the coast, and also a lot of air traffic heading out over the Pacific to Asia & Hawaii & the South Pacific - so of course the trails cross and form grids - how could they NOT do so??
Because of the spraying that lingered in the air waiting for the coastal winds to push it all east) ; and this sudden increase in air traffic lasted all day and ONLY that day.
Which sort of implies that he conditions were right for a lot of contrails on just that day
Interestingly enough, a few days after seeing this constant spraying, there were some devestating storms on the East Coast. Coinkydinky?
No, not coinkydink at all - contrails are cirrus cloud, the conditions for cirrus clouds often occur ahead of fronts - cirrus cloud has been a sea-farer's indication of forthcoming storms for hundreds of years.
You seem to think that he contrails cause storms - but in fact the reverse is true - the storm is creating conditions for contrails ahead of it.
I believe "scientists" like I believe in the cupacabra....may or may not be fact. But I DO believe my own "lieing eyes".
I bet your "lying eyes" do not tell you the chemical composition of the tails you see, do they? Nor do they tell you the temperature and humidity levels at 30-40,000 feet?edit on 1-8-2012 by Aloysius the Gaul because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by missvicky
Now aren't you the quickie responder.
You are all so quick to try to intimidate me with "scientific fact". You challenge every aspect of my observation with "did you ever consider..." when no I didn't consider anything at all other than it was an extremely increased amount of VISIBLE air traffic, and i don't have to consider anything at all other than sharing an OBSERVATION.
Have you ever considered that you don't live where I do? And if you did how much are you able to observe WITH YOUR OWN EYES without relying on "scientific facts"?
Originally posted by missvicky
You are all so quick to try to intimidate me with "scientific fact".
You challenge every aspect of my observation with "did you ever consider..." when no I didn't consider anything at all other than it was an extremely increased amount of VISIBLE air traffic, and i don't have to consider anything at all other than sharing an OBSERVATION.
Have you ever considered that you don't live where I do? And if you did how much are you able to observe WITH YOUR OWN EYES without relying on "scientific facts"?
Originally posted by PlanetXisHERE
I'm a magnet for those who would like to keep truths hidden..........nothing more complicated than that.
False
Originally posted by PlanetXisHERE
Here are some great shots of a typical chemtrail set-up, this has only one purpose, and is not used for fighting fires or aerial refueling or anything else:
False
Originally posted by PlanetXisHERE
Also, the nozzle coming from the jet engine nacelle is something unique
False
Originally posted by PlanetXisHERE
The KC - 135 has a refueling arm extending from the rear, not small jets from the wings,
False
Originally posted by PlanetXisHERE
Trust me buddy, these may look like refueling drogues, but they are not.
Entirely lacking logic and evidence, considering the overwhelming evidence of the use of flexible wing pod refueling.
Originally posted by PlanetXisHERE
Those are photoshopped or just staged pictures, those lightweight, tiny lines would never connect with the refueling nozzle of jets, the nozzle would just push them around.
Your explanation ignores the well known fact that relative humidity can vary throughout the entire range of altitudes. Therefore it is lacking in factual basis.
Originally posted by PlanetXisHERE
the higher contrail is just water vapor acting as you would expect, but the lower trails are metal oxides - which are obviously not absorbed into air like water vapor.
Lacking in factual basis, The example explained to you can happen any time the conditions permit, which in many places can occur in all seasons of the year, even if it is more common in some seasons.
Originally posted by PlanetXisHERE
Most ice crystals, especially in warmer seasons, would stop growing as they reached lower altitudes and the air temperature went above 0C/32F and would melt - which is why we get rain instead of snow in the summer and why hail is extremely rare, or at least used to be. You example only makes sense in winter time.
Lacking in factual basis.
Originally posted by PlanetXisHERE
Water vapor should form where it's high and the air is colder and the air can't hold as much moisture, and dissipate lower where the air is warmer and can hold more moisture.
Lacking in factual basis. And that is not even all of the untruths you have told in this thread, there is at least one other that I shall discuss shortly.
Originally posted by PlanetXisHERE
However the lower chemtrail does not dissipate even close to as quickly as the higher one - going against all known meteorology - and only theoretically possible in some kind of weird and extremely rare temperature inversion.
Originally posted by PlanetXisHERE
These two videos contain some great close ups of chemtrails spraying from planes
Originally posted by waynos
Originally posted by missvicky
Now aren't you the quickie responder.
I'm so sorry that I happened to be online before I go to work when you posted, I didn't realise that waiting a few hours would make a difference
Does this mean you are not even willing to consider anything I said?
You are all so quick to try to intimidate me with "scientific fact". You challenge every aspect of my observation with "did you ever consider..." when no I didn't consider anything at all other than it was an extremely increased amount of VISIBLE air traffic, and i don't have to consider anything at all other than sharing an OBSERVATION.
Have you ever considered that you don't live where I do? And if you did how much are you able to observe WITH YOUR OWN EYES without relying on "scientific facts"?
I'm sorry you find 'scientific facts'intimidating, I thought you posted your observations on a discussion board in order to discuss them. Thats kind of what it's here for. Obviously I don't live where you live, that's why they were questions not statements.
As for simply relying on your eyes, when you see a car driving along do your eyes tell you how it's doing it? Or do you just see it moving but happen to know the scientific fact that it has a combustion engine and gearbox in it?edit on 1-8-2012 by waynos because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by missvicky
Originally posted by waynos
How do you know that there is more traffic? Are you under the impression that you can see every flight that passes over you? This would be a mistake. Do you think that the reason you believe there is more traffic could be because an approaching weather front (the one that brought the storm) created the conditions whereby all, or at
least more, of the flights overhead produced visible trails, and under normal weather conditions most of them pass unnoticed?
If you have a smartphone you can download a Flightradar 24 app that will let you track flights, if you zoom out a little you may be surprised to see just how many aircraft there really are in the sky.
In your previous post you referred to the difference between chem and contrails. Do you understand why this is not actually correct?
Now aren't you a quick one to attack? For all you questions please refer to my previous post. Yes anecdotal evidence is just that.
If you see a persisting trail stretching right across the sky, have you ever considered what volume of material a plane would need to carry in order to create a visible trail that looked like that from a minimum of 7 miles away (right above your head) and hundreds of miles across the sky? Contrails are truly vast and when you see a plane do something like a fuel dump its over in seconds and quickly vanishes.edit on 1-8-2012 by waynos because: (no reason given)
Now aren't you the quickie responder.edit on 1-8-2012 by missvicky because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Aloysius the Gaul
Originally posted by missvicky
Having said all that.... now if one of these "scientists" can expalin to me that after years of normal air traffic cons or chems aside...that suddenly there is a constant level of air traffic that is over and above normal;
How have you measured air traffic to determine what is normal, and what is the measure now that is "not normal"?
that is flying not only tandem but across, forming a grid like pattern ( how how would I know it's a grid like pattern?
On the Pacific coast - well you have a heap of air traffic going north/south up & down the coast, and also a lot of air traffic heading out over the Pacific to Asia & Hawaii & the South Pacific - so of course the trails cross and form grids - how could they NOT do so??
Because of the spraying that lingered in the air waiting for the coastal winds to push it all east) ; and this sudden increase in air traffic lasted all day and ONLY that day.
Which sort of implies that he conditions were right for a lot of contrails on just that day
Interestingly enough, a few days after seeing this constant spraying, there were some devestating storms on the East Coast. Coinkydinky?
No, not coinkydink at all - contrails are cirrus cloud, the conditions for cirrus clouds often occur ahead of fronts - cirrus cloud has been a sea-farer's indication of forthcoming storms for hundreds of years.
You seem to think that he contrails cause storms - but in fact the reverse is true - the storm is creating conditions for contrails ahead of it.
I believe "scientists" like I believe in the cupacabra....may or may not be fact. But I DO believe my own "lieing eyes".
I bet your "lying eyes" do not tell you the chemical composition of the tails you see, do they? Nor do they tell you the temperature and humidity levels at 30-40,000 feet?edit on 1-8-2012 by Aloysius the Gaul because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by PlanetXisHERE
irregardless of the fact the tanker identity in the video can't be determined.
My other question is, now why would a small region in France own KC-135 tankers? Wouldn't any NATO committments etc be handled by the French air force?
Originally posted by missvicky
I wonder at your attack with your weapons of "scientific tools with which to measure anything" as a response to an event the (my) human eye observed ( which science canot yet replicate mechanically ...unless you would like to share that breaking news here and be lauded Hero Whistleblower of the day). I stand by what I saw and your ridiculous challenges are just that: ridiculous.