***Shock Poll*** Report: 83% of Doctors Have Considered Quitting Over Obamacare!!

reply to post by paxnatus


That's just ridiculous. Doctors are in a hard spot because they have to treat everyone and they don't have to get paid for their services under the current system. Doctors are overwhelmingly in favor of getting paid for what they do. They love treating people with Medicare and Medicaid because they know the government will pay them and pay them on a regular basis.

I'm not just making this up, I have worked with every facet of the healthcare industry for over 15 years. This is their bill and it needed to happen. Malpractice insurance was driving them out of business. Now with more people actually paying them, they'll finally be able to afford to protect themselves with malpractice insurance and turn a profit.

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reply to post by daslobo


the problem is that when things are covered by insurance medicare or medicade it seems like the rates go up because they are guaranteed reimbursement
and because the rates go up more people need to have insurance etc. to be able to afford treatment
so the pharmaceutical companies and hospitals make more money charging rates that would otherwise be obscene and the insurance companies make more money in the form of a much larger group of customers and higher premiums (as long as the the rates of medicine or treatment dont get so high the insurance companies lose profit.... and with a larger base the risk for insurance companies is on average lower and they can therefor afford to pay very substantial rates and still turn a profit)
so its a win/win for companies that provide medical service or products and insurance companies because they play off each others business

Originally posted by paxnatus
reply to post by Lighterside

 

Care to answer the questions I asked in my OP?

Sorry, I skipped your questionnaire, how rude of me. Sure, I'll give it a go. Though, I will have to warn you, as someone with no health care access or coverage, I don't really have much background knowledge on the medical system or what "obamacare" is all about, I simply have a nose for smelling BS is all. But a go I will give...

Do you think doctors will be able to deliver adequate care to a patient based on time constraints, due to the overload of patients they will be expected to see?

Yes, I do. I tend to believe that supply and demand still works effectively. If there is a vacuum of health care professionals, I think as a species and nation, we are smart enough to fill it. I also believe technology plays a big role. What took teams of doctors weeks to do 20 years ago, could be done with one and an iPad. Call me optimistic.

Do you believe you will receive state of the art healthcare under Obama's govt. program?

Yes, in a sense. We Americans have been told that other countries have better systems, and better practices. So in that sense, we'd receive healthcare that is no more state of the art than it was under Bush's terms. But we live in a day and age were quality of life surpasses anything in human history. I think people tend to forget that, and people like to gripe. Hell, just getting access to common antibiotics is pretty state of the art imo.

Do you believe you will be in charge in deciding what procedures, test or surgeries you need or will that be mandated by the govt.?

Hell no, and thank god for that. I'm no doctor, and wouldn't know where to begin to self diagnose. That's why we have doctors. Do I think the government is going to tell my doctor what they are allowed to do? Yes, but I don't think there's any sinister intent. And I don't think a doctors is going to be like "Well I could save your life with this treatment, but Uncle Sam said no".

Finally, do you believe you will receive the medication you may need for a particular illness?

I hope so, would be nice if needed, because I sure as hell don't have any access to it now.

Originally posted by paxnatus
reply to post by Lighterside

 

Tell me something Lighterside do these principles look biased to you?

PATIENT-PHYSICIAN RELATIONSHIP
PRIVACY
MEDICAL CARE & PROGRAMS SHOULD BE VOLUNTARY
PATIENT & DOCTOR AUTONOMY
CONTRACTUAL FREEDOM
OWNERSHIP OF HEALTH CARE
PRICE EQUITY
TRANSPARENCY
MARKET COMPETITION
ACCESS TO CARE, NOT “INSURANCE”
PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY
PATIENT EMPOWERMENT
EVERY PATIENT IS DIFFERENT

Nope, should they? Sure I guess it sounds like things we would want from doctors. Sorry, I fail to see your point.

Originally posted by paxnatus
reply to post by Lighterside

 

DPMA stands for Doctors and Patients Medical Association not anything covertly conservative or liberal for that matter..Looks like straight common sense to me!

I know what is stands for, I found their website... remember that? But I'm pretty sure I pointed out to you they were in fact covertly conservative. Meh, common sense is relative I suppose.

Don't worry, you'll find no argument from me. I find that trying to prove the sky is blue to someone claiming it's green and refusing to believe otherwise tiresome, and by your statement, that's pretty much what we have here.

They may quit, but I believe the docs will go underground, like the docs in the movies like Minority Report, etc

Most meds legal or not could go underground and become big business for the blackmarket

reply to post by mytheroy


there already is a black market for medicines because the cost on many has gotten so high
most of it comes from china and is produced with little or no oversight (some may be identical to the real thing others may be a placebo and youll find everything in between)
and yes its an extremely profitable industry
en.wikipedia.org...

Originally posted by paxnatus
when I made the statement "doctors were not gonna go for this, they will quit", to another poster in another thread I was accused of believing just as Sarah Palin did in the "death panels".

Here you have the results of a nonpartisan and unbiased survey. 83% of the doctors in this country are considering another career!! Now, we will face a massive shortage.


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I have a couple of questions for the ATS community:

Do you think doctors will be able to deliver adequate care to a patient based on time constraints, due to the overload of patients they will be expected to see?

Do you believe you will receive state of the art healthcare under Obama's govt. program?

Do you believe you will be in charge in deciding what procedures, test or surgeries you need or will that be mandated by the govt.?

Finally, do you believe you will receive the medication you may need for a particular illness?

Thanks as always for your time,
Pax

edit on 7/10/2012 by paxnatus because: typo

And you think this is a true reflection of the medical profession in America? You political bias is very evident here, and this is just a typical partisan scaremongering tactic.

Do you think doctors will be able to deliver adequate care to a patient based on time constraints, due to the overload of patients they will be expected to see?

They coped before Obamacare so why shouldn't they cope after it? I mean people who need medical attention seek medical attention so what's the difference? OH You mean the people who were completely unable to afford medical care before, who had to suffer continually because the medical profession priced them out of the market. Guess doctors are going to be forced to keep their Hippocratic Oath, damn they treat people ethically and honestly, real shame for the doctors that...

Do you believe you will receive state of the art healthcare under Obama's govt. program?

If your worried about your care, then get your own insurance, you are not force to only use Obamacare, you can supplement as well, at least everyone has access to some medical care and wont be turn away from hospitals because they didn't have the "right" insurance

Do you believe you will be in charge in deciding what procedures, test or surgeries you need or will that be mandated by the govt.?

I should imagine it is exactly like now, but governments making the decisions of cost value rather than insurance companies making cost decisions, read the small print on your insurance policy, see how much they can screw you over

Finally, do you believe you will receive the medication you may need for a particular illness?

I think pretty much most people will get their medication, the more experimental ones will be not supported and the overly costly, but then big pharma should not be charging so much, I mean it is all well and good blaming the government but lets face it is the corporate greed of big pharma and the medical companies that have driven America to this point, the exorbitant costs for even basic care is making the insurance companies mega rich is just pricing the bottom 50% out of any sort of medical care.

If there is going to be a huge shortage of doctors, then get on teh back of that other big corporate industry that is killing America, the education system. Make it affordable for people to train as doctors, hell there is enough unemployment I am sure many would like the opportunity for a decent career

another biased poll from a political organization ... totally unexpected.... HA HA HA

this poll makes doctors looking like a money grubbing businessman who is in business for one thing ..MONEY

if this is true, then it means that the medical care we receive is for one thing ... to make a profit...

This is part of what is wrong with our society which has replaced greed as the driving force in our lives....

in a republican world the only thing thats counts is that you make a lot of money ... we see what God republicans worship ... the lowly dollar!

reply to post by PrinceDreamer


Exactly the only real reason there is a projected shortage of doctors and engineers for that matter is the lack of opportunity for the education. When faced with taking on any large kind of debt for education believe it or not people do ask themselves what if I fail? Is that risk worth it? As it is now just a basic education is enough to bury you for large portions of your life in debt before you even get started. Start issuing serious targeted tax incentives in key fields you want to fill and the students will apply.

As to the OP you lost any chance of being taken seriously when you used a small sampled poll 86% of 699 doctors really? They couldn't find an even 700? And why would anyone take this virtually unheard of DPMA even the slightest bit seriously when the well known and respected AMA endorses this bill? Then you had the nerve to invoke Palin into your argument, if your in the medical field i feel sorry for those you treat. Palin? Really come on now your supposed to be educated.

Assuming this poll was true to begin with, my follow up questions would be:

1. If they move to another country, which one are they going to go to? One of the other industrialized countries that have UHC?
2. If they decide to stay here, what profession are they going to get into instead?

Aww poor doctors my heart goes out to them. Are they afraid they will stop getting the massive kickbacks from the insurance companies for unnecessary surgeries? Or big pharma will stop paying them off for prescribing medicine that their patients don't need like all the drugs they are pumping into our children.

reply to post by paxnatus


Under Obamacare you are going to see an increase of Doctors assistance taking over the role of Doctors when it comes to taking most of those Medicare and medicate carriers, that is how is been for a while already.

If you have an insurance then you get to see a real doctor.

We are going to see a rise of convenient care centers also and fast track beside emergency rooms.

That is how is set here in my neck of the woods with our major health care provider a none profit organization that controls the region.

And yes many doctors that practice outside the monopoly and are not bought by the major hospital have the choice to opt Medicare and Medicaid providers.

Originally posted by buster2010
Aww poor doctors my heart goes out to them. Are they afraid they will stop getting the massive kickbacks from the insurance companies for unnecessary surgeries? Or big pharma will stop paying them off for prescribing medicine that their patients don't need like all the drugs they are pumping into our children.

aside from Beverly hills plastic surgeons it's really not that way for most doctors. many people are under the delusion that doctors make mega bucks, when in reality unless you're a specialist you are making a decent living after liability insurance and college payments for decades.

the ones making major dollars are now and will remain insurance companies and big pharma because they in fact were the ones asked to help write the entire act up. anyone who thinks this will somehow miraculously become healthcare utopia is ignorant and foolish in their ways of deductive reasoning.

i think what bothers the doctors i am friends with the most is letting uncle sam dictate patient care. it's getting bad enough with insurance companies doing it and now we have the fed plus insurance companies getting in bed together and doing it. this can only lead to a disaster in health care for the patients and doctors.

we needed health care reform and what we got is a Trojan horse, yet to be revealed.

with the complete failure medicade and medicare have been, how can anyone believe our gov. will somehow do better with this giant gorilla called obamacare?

reply to post by LittleBlackEagle


I agree, the only thing in Obamacare is the fact that is nothing but the biggest tax on the hard working middle class to erode more the quality of life of tax payers in that bracket.

reply to post by paxnatus


I don't know any doctors that are happy about OC.

reply to post by mytheroy

the docs will go underground,

Interesting you should mention that, I been hoping for that for a long time.

reply to post by sirhumperdink


I have been saying for years that the best solution to the cost of healthcare is to make health insurance illegal. That would force hospitals and doctors to lower rates to something reasonable. In order to get patients they would not be able to charge $50 for an aspirin anymore. They would only be able to charge what people could afford to pay out of their pockets.

But no one listens to me. They ALL suffer for it. But still they won't listen.

Originally posted by paxnatus
reply to post by paxnatus

 

Alright, how about someone with a little common sense respond. I work in the medical field as a nurse and have for years.. Do you honestly believe doctors are going to treat patients for free. That's right no health insurance and we are gonna just give you top notch care..who is going to reimburse the doctors for their time, effort and expertise opinion? Oh wait i know, the govt. right??? Geeze, not fear mongering here just applying what i do understand about the health care field....

It does not take a rocket scientist to see this......Think people! There will be repercussions from this and it will be felt by all of us!

Obamacare is not mandating care, it's mandating insurance.

And government wont be reimbursing doctors, insurance companies will.

The repercussion is that poor people can now get care and a better quality of life, meanwhile healthcare costs will go down for everyone because so many people are paying in and we're no longer footing the bill for people coming into the emergency room with no money.

reply to post by Ookie


You make a good point, thirty years ago my mother died from a twelve year battle with cancer, she paid ever penny out of her own pocket
That would be impossible today,
Yes the insurance companies are to blame.

My wife is a second year family practice resident doctor. She has over 250.000 in student loans. All the residents in her program are second guessing their choice to invest their lives in medicine with the upcoming changes to the system. All of the old doctors constantly say they feel bad for the young doctors and say they are crazy for getting involved in medicine. My wife is a Russian university trained seamstress/fashion designer and owns a sucessful bridal/prom boutique and started late in medicine, now 42 yrs old. A doctors salary cant touch the earnings from the dress business as she did not become a doctor to get wealthy, only to help people. The young residents are not going to be so blessed....

reply to post by paxnatus


Classic. Out of all of the faxes sent to doctors, 4.3% responded. . And then out of the 4.3% who responded, you got this number. Strange you'd get a result touting such BS from 4.3% of the doctors surveyed. I guess the other 95.7% thought it such a joke they didn't even bother. The study is bogus and the results and any "reality" associated with it are bogus. What a joke. Seriously, did you even read the article?

Again, approximately 96 out of 100 doctors found the poll question so stupid they didn't even respond.

CJ