Turkish jet shot down by Russians, opposition leader claims

Yeah its hard to believe in its entirety, but im interested in the fact they mention a laser.
I sat here wondering how hard it would be to shoot artillery and bring down a fighter jet. it didnt seem right..

Originally posted by knoledgeispower
reply to post by Drunkenparrot

 

Russia supplied Syria with SA-10 air defense system so it's makes perfect sense for this to be something supplied by Russia as well.

Syria being a major Russian export arms client and one of a very short list of nations whose military industries have the ability to build air defence systems capable of defeating high performance aircraft, I believe you are stating the obvious.

found this (badly translated though but today's date 26/06/2012)

www.medyafaresi.com...

"Our aircraft hit the ship: Admiral Çapanenko!"

Maybe an accident then? An auto-weapon or response?

But another forum is saying that the translation is wrong and that the Russians had the jet locked but did not fire.

Also found this:

www.ibtimes.co.uk...

Masum Turker, leader of the Democratic Left Party (DSP), told TV8 the Russian ship Admiral Chabanenko downed the Turkish jet on 22 June.
"There are two Russian warships and a Russian frigate in Latakia [Syria] harbour," Hurriyet News quoted him saying. "One of them, Admiral Chabanenko, has the technology to detect the slightest action in the air.
"The vessel that shot down our plane is Chabanenko. It is the [best] equipped vessel of the three," he said.
Turker quoted turkey's foreign ministry and the foreign intelligence services as his source.
The claim came after Turkey's prime minister Recip Tayyip Erdogan pledged to "liberate Syrians from dictatorship" after the shooting down.

Which strangely sounds like the same translation as my last link on my last post.

OR ,,and this is quickly becoming possable,,,

scenario,,, "WHAT THE HELL DOYOU MEAN IT WENTOFFBYITSELF,,,!!!!

but it did Ivor,,????
ITS A MISSLE,, bad chips syndrome,,,and thats the scariest scenario off ALL.

reply to post by Agit8dChop


Artillery? You mean Anti Aircraft Artillery? Totally different animal than regular artillery. Some of the most effective antiaircraft systems in the world are guns, like the ZSU-23-4. They use a radar system to control the guns usually, but also have an optical mode that uses a long range camera to track the aircraft.

reply to post by mr-lizard


It's also highly ironic that Turkey would utter something as profoundly self defeating as "We will liberate Syria from tyranny" .. I imagine every Kurd living in Turkey just did a collective face palm.

reply to post by Daedal



Please think very carefully about the claims of the Russian ship (s). Firstly how did the Admiral Chabanenko get to Syria all the way from the Barents Sea without anybody noticing? Also take with a pinch of salt the claims of the other Russian warships in Syria.

rusnavy.com...

I feel desperately sorry for the Russian Navy spokesman that has to constantly release statements in regards to the spurious movements and deployments of its vessels.

The reality of the Russian Navy vessels in the Mediterranean and on anti-pirate convoy duties south of Suez.

The Smetlivy returned from the Syria at the end of May without replacement.

rusnavy.com...

Vice Admiral Kulakov is on convoy duty in the Red Sea/Horn of Africa

rusnavy.com...

The only Russian Navy vessel in Syria/Syrian waters is the Floating Workshop PM-138 and possibly the intelligence collection vessel, Kildin. The Tanker Iman reported in the following along with Smetlivy has since returned to the Black Sea Fleet.

rusnavy.com...

Tukey is not the major player at this game. The real big brother is US and some major European Countries. Turkey is just the subcontractor. (at least the AKP goverment is ). So, in my personal opinion, that plane was doing an intelligence flight against Syria and with the helping hand of Russia it was broughtdown. This incident was purely a mesage send to the big brothers. We may see a major war right after US elections....because in my opnion this was a direct warning to US with the hand of Erdogans goverment.

Things may get real ugly....real fast.

reply to post by Daedal


Yet again the Russian Navy has had to respond to these fantasy claims. There are no Russian warships currently in Syria. The only Russian navy vessel in Syria of any significance is the Floating Workshop vessel the PM-138 and that is an Auxiliary..

As was told Central Navy Portal by NF Press Service, destroyer (large ASW ship) Admiral Chabanenko is currently "far from Syria. Our ship does not have a fantastic capability of hitting targets in Eastern Mediterranean being stationed in the homebase", the Russian Navy spokesman said. According to information available to Central Navy Portal, destroyer Admiral Chabanenko is currently moored at NF main base Severomorsk.

rusnavy.com...

People seriously need to take a step back and think about how these claimed vessels got there without being monitored? These are major Russian combatant vessels claimed deployed by the Turkish oposition Minister and that should set the BS alarm bells ringing. The last Russian warship that visited Syria was the Smetlivy and that returned to the Black Sea Fleet.

rusnavy.com...

Even RT has got the disposition of the vessels correct. The two large Black Sea Fleet landing ships that many thought would be rushing to Syria are still on standby in the Black Sea.

www.rt.com...

reply to post by Daedal


Further proof that the Turkish opposition Ministers claims in regards to Russian warship Admiral Chabanenko were bogus.

Admiral Chabanenko has just left Severomorsk and is apparently heading for the Mediterranean.

Russian warships are sent to Syria. Russian warships are sent to Syria Northern Fleet (NF) destroyer Admiral Chabanenko and three Russian amphibious assault ships left NF Main Base Severomorsk on July 10. The high official from Russian Ministry of Defence told Central Navy Portal. Three amphibious assault ships transport Marine Corps submits on-board. Baltic Fleet guard frigat Yaroslav Mudry and auxiliary ships, based in Baltiysk, will join Admiral Chabanenko later. According to information available to Central Navy Portal, naval ships move into the Mediterranean Sea, into Syria water area. À crew member from one of the ships confirmed the information. He also noticed, that the three-months mission in the Mediterranean Sea for Admiral Chabanenko and three Russain amphibious assault ships was planned in advance. Recall that in 2012 Russian warships called at Tartus port many times. To replenish supplies, destroyer Admiral Chabanenko, frigate Ladny, and tanker Lena, being deployed with the Russian Navy's carrier group in the Mediterranean, visited the port in Jan 2012. Aircraft-carrying cruiser Admiral Kuznetsov and rescue tug Nikolai Chiker were anchored off the Tartus port then.

rusnavy.com...

The only Morse Code that I have picked up is from a Russian Auxiliary vessel in the Black Sea apparently heading for the Bosphorus on the 9th July.

8345 Khz

RCV = Sevastopol
RMUW = Unidentified Russian Navy vessel.

RCV DE RMUW 09001 99426 10303 22253 @0004Z

42.6N 30.3E Heading South West at 11-15 Knots

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