Oakland City Council Cowers In The Face Of Brutal Truth

Originally posted by babybunnies
Don't like being "lied to" by the media?

Then don't watch it. Simple solution.

I bet this person never bothered to go out and vote, ever. But now claims to be upset about the situation.

I bet if this person DID vote, they voted for the same person that are their current representatives, after all, 95% of voters vote for the incumbent nearly every single time, despite Congress having a 9% approval rating and The Senate not faring much better.

You want to influence change? Run for office, go out and convince others to vote, work for a campaign for a candidate you believe in.

Police at Occupy Protests are generally responding in kind (although there are a few exceptions).

I appreciate this woman's passion for her cause, but it's a losing battle from the beginning.

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1. she used to vote. I know this because back when I used to vote, we have a friend who registered but on the morning of was just being lazy and we physically brought him to the car and went to the polls

2. if you watched the video you would know she is running

3. if you think the cops are responding to violence instead of causing it, you need to wake up

Originally posted by Kali74
reply to post by ThichHeaded

 

You're totally missing the fact the that she did not say "New Black Panther Party" She said "Black Panthers" which if you had bothered to read anything I linked or quoted to you, you would know are not one in the same. The Black Panthers have specifically said that that the NBPP is not a legitimate successor to their movement and have condemned them for their racist rhetoric.

It still comes across as being a bit like the CIA saying that Blackwater is bad, in the back rooms you know they laugh about it.

I agree with what others have said here.

You know they say that Hitlers rise to power was mainly due to his charisma

Now if only the occupy movement had that type of person,
you know with out the hatred for Jews and the like...

Originally posted by ThichHeaded

Originally posted by InspirationEverywhere

Well I didn't watch the whole thing, its just some person bitching about things that are wrong

Well ThichHeaded, with a thought process like that YOU SHOULD RUN FOR CITY COUNCIL, because your lack of empathy and understanding means your a shoe in. AND A CLOWN
Great name though, your mother must have known you well

You know, Its funny you say this, I have been to many protests that i seemed to have some feeling about.. Being empathetic towards someone who shows hate of another race... Um no, I think not.. If this was clear plain english with a F here and an F there then it would be fine, but she straight up stated she is involved with the Black panthers and Agreed with their logic, this means not whites allowed.. Ironic I state this because well I aint even white I am native american... Interesting that eh?

But ya lets have her passion of hate of others fill us with mad rage.. That way we can do flash mobs into stores because the man let us down.. meh whatever........................

this is kind of a bazzaar situation, you have a member of the "BP" with a heap of people following her that dont really or dont care what the "BP" ethos is. if she was a member of the Nazi party things would be a little different one would think.lol

Originally posted by ThichHeaded
Well I didn't watch the whole thing, its just some person bitching about things that are wrong.. But you know... she kinda killed her credibility with saying black power black panther thing...

And this is coming from someone who would protest something for a cause.. She just made a lot of people look like idiots i think. But meh I guess it takes a lot of us to make the world go round eh?

She's also blaming capitalism, which is ignorant. She should be blaming the fact that politicians serve corporate interests now rather than the people, and she is confusing that with capitalism.

Otherwise she has some valid points about OPD, and every other PD for that matter.

reply to post by AzraelBane



what if some neo nazi stood up there screaming "WHITE POWER! WHITE POWER!" ....

things is gettin fo realz yea'll...

it's eye opening how economic manipulation and slow and steady oppression can do what it's designed to do... make people freak out and start acting like animals cussing and snake-neckin at the podium... without even realizing they're being made to do it...

problem reaction solution... ake the minority flip out.. then hammer them... and they don't even realize they're being manipulated into reacting like this...they think they're doing it of their own volition.

Originally posted by AwakeinNM

She's also blaming capitalism, which is ignorant. She should be blaming the fact that politicians serve corporate interests now rather than the people, and she is confusing that with capitalism.

She is not confused, you are. Corporations are the result of capitalism. Corporations are capitalist.

Politicians serve corporate interests because capitalists control government. Not the other way around.

The problem goes way beyond government, ultimately the economy is controlled by capitalist owners of industry.
They are the 'shadow government'. If you think the dems and cons really have your interests at heart you are painfully naive.

Private ownership of the means of production, capitalism, has been the problem ever since it replaced feudalism.
Socialism came from the workers as a reaction to private ownership and the exploitation it creates.

The reason people are confused is simply because they deny that fact, they look at everything and anything but capitalism itself. Simply because you have been conditioned to accept capitalism and reject any alternative, without question. Terms have been appropriated and changed in order to confuse.

Originally posted by prevenge
reply to post by AzraelBane

 

what if some neo nazi stood up there screaming "WHITE POWER! WHITE POWER!" ....

But that is not what she was doing. You are simply projecting your own bias.

Stop relating everything to skin colour, and think about what she actually says. But then you need to have a good grasp of history to do that, and obvioulsy you don't have one.

The Black Panthers were never anti-white. There was also a group called the White Panthers, of which John Lennon was briefly involved, they worked side by side with the Black Panthers.

The White Panthers were a far-left, anti-racist, white American political collective founded in 1968 by Lawrence Plamondon, Leni Sinclair, and John Sinclair.[1] It was started in response to an interview where Huey P. Newton, co-founder of the Black Panther Party, was asked what white people could do to support the Black Panthers. Newton replied that they could form a White Panther Party. The group took the name and dedicated its energies to "cultural revolution." Sinclair made every effort to ensure that the White Panthers were not mistaken for a white supremacist group, responding to such claims with "quite the contrary." The party worked with many ethnic minority rights groups in the Rainbow Coalition.

en.wikipedia.org...

The Rainbow Coalition was a coalition active in the late 1960s and early 1970s, founded in Chicago, Illinois by Fred Hampton of the activist Black Panther Party, along with William "Preacherman" Fesperman, Jack (Junebug) Boykin, Bobby Joe Mcginnis and Hy Thurman of the Young Patriots Organization and Jose (Cha-Cha) Jimenez, the Puerto Rican founder of the Young Lords.

en.wikipedia.org...

The racist crap was simply the media trying to demonize revolutionary groups. You have to learn that the media does not tell you the truth when it come to any demand for social change. It is not in the medias interest to support social and economic change, as they are capitalist themselves. That is why the MSM cannot be trusted.
Nothing under capitalism can be trusted, because the aim is to make profit, not benefit you.

I really think this women has laid it would pretty well. Forget the "Black Power" stuff and really listen to what she is saying about Police corruption, bad policy, the failure of public servants to actually serve the Public.

Could she have expressed herself better? Absolutely.

However, what you are seeing is a women who has had enough and is at the end of her rope... just like many people are. Especially the poor and the working poor. She even comes to a conclusion that many of us here have come to as well. They can make legislation that taes away our shields. They can pass legislation to silence us. Sooner or later, people will exercise their second amendment rights... then what are you going to do when the people decide to shoot back? Not shoot first.... but shoot back. There is a difference.

I think it is important to remember where this women is from. There is one thing about California... they know how to protest. They have a long history of protesting the system, and some of those protest have lead to riots. Just think back to the Rodney King trial as an example. How many times has a Police Officer killed or beat someone, got caught and then got away with it? It has happened everywhere, but when it happened in LA and got caught on video and the cops still walked.... well we know what the result was. Riots. California was a hot bed prior to the LA riots. People were fed up, they had enough. Now we are seeing that same level of outrage all over again. People have had enough and it wont be long until it all boils over... only this time it wont be contained to LA. It will spread like wildfire.

Originally posted by godWhisperer
it's too bad that was all you guys got out of this video. whether you agree with her or not, what is staggeringly important here are the cries of support that she gets from the rest of the audience and the fact that her sentiments are shared by A LOT of people in this country right now.

I was just about to write pretty much the same thing when I saw your comments.

The most important thing this video shows is the rage the people are feeling. She's not just one lone voice, she is speaking for millions of people.

All it will take is for a violent act from the state, an unjust law like the one recently passed in Montreal, or an incident from the OPD and their penchant for being abusive thugs, and you have the start of a real revolution on your hands.

Whether you agree with the way she expresses herself or not, she is clearly an intelligent girl, and she knows the risks associated to what she's said. She has issued a warning that no American should take lightly.

It might be sunny and nice where you are, but this is going global. Our governments haven't even started the cut backs they actually need to make yet, and people are already warning of revolution.

People need to sit up and pay attention now. Turn off your corporate media, watch the tubes, the live streams and read the blogs, you'll get a much clearer picture of what is actually happening on the streets and what people are saying, feeling and doing.

Your government and media is lying to you, we are all one incident away from a violent revolution in my opinion, you'd be wise to stay tuned and pay attention.

As for the race conversation, I am not naive enough to think that race doesn't play a part.

In my opinion you have three major social fault lines in America, the first is the now apparent economic divide which could pit the general population against anyone of wealth (I would expect to see the equivalent of a class war starting soon). The next is the political fault line with the left and right, many were hoping for a third party to rise and this could still happen, though probably not before a revolution - peaceful or otherwise. The third is a racial fault line, where America has continued to allow, and ignored, the "ghetto" reality that exists for many black Americans.

Many people might not see this where they live, but we all know, when we really think about it, there are entire communities in the US that are still racially divided. Remember back to Hurricane Katrina and the LA riots.

Like I said, intelligent Americans would drop the BS mainstream media - as the young lady says, people are seeing the news networks for what they are and they are switching off in massive numbers - watch the internet and stay tuned. This is really going to kick off soon.

I just hope it stays peaceful and we see a genuine move on the part of regional governments to comply with the wishes of the people. I just have a fear that we'll be seeing a whole lot of little Assad's clinging to their comfortable publicly funded lifestyles at all cost.

Originally posted by prevenge
reply to post by AzraelBane

 

what if some neo nazi stood up there screaming "WHITE POWER! WHITE POWER!" ....

things is gettin fo realz yea'll...

it's eye opening how economic manipulation and slow and steady oppression can do what it's designed to do... make people freak out and start acting like animals cussing and snake-neckin at the podium... without even realizing they're being made to do it...

Welcome to society. I'm assuming you're only just waking up to the fact that people have been raised differently to you, have different ideas to you, come from different cultures?

Let me give you an example of how ridiculous you sound...

Stephen Fry - you've heard of him, right? - has stated for the record that swearing (cussing) is a part of expressive language, it is those who are offended by it who are deluded and warped. This man is a scholar, a slave to language, and perhaps one of the most enlightened and intelligent Englishmen of our time.

On the other hand, you have people discrediting everything someone says because they use a word they personally find "offensive".

They are the people who say it's "unnecessary". Of course it isn't necessary. Is art necessary? Is cinema necessary? Is music? No, they are all forms of expression, and swearing is just a part of the English language that certain childlike brains cannot deal with like an adult.

Yeah, I think I know who I'll be trusting as a moral guide - the intelligent, studious, clever and witty Mr Fry.

Originally posted by AwakeinNM
She's also blaming capitalism, which is ignorant. She should be blaming the fact that politicians serve corporate interests now rather than the people, and she is confusing that with capitalism.

Otherwise she has some valid points about OPD, and every other PD for that matter.

But if you wanted to speak in a language everyone understands, one would have to use such a broad term.

This is part of the problem, the vast majority know what the problems are, but they are stuck with a collection of words that they understand, and no deviation from that will sink in.

We have the same problem on ATS, with people constantly using capitalism, communism and socialism, without understanding how that relates to what has been happening. Bailing out the banks is not capitalism, Bush was not a capitalist, Obama is not a socialist or a capitalist. People pick and choose what labels they use because there isn't a label they can grab quickly to express what is actually happening.

That is why I think we need to give people like her the benefit of the doubt. She is speaking with the intention of getting the message across, not to spend a couple of days up there persuading everyone that giving the bankers and sh*t load of tax payers money wasn't actually capitalism, and Obama making massive cuts to government spending certainly isn't socialism... She doesn't have the time for that, she's angry, she knows she's gonna be silenced, she has to get as much into that time and speak to as many ears as possible, and that means speaking in a language that the majority can understand, rather than just sociologists.

I was all set to unleash hell on everyone in this thread that is too ignorant to read the posts above their own with the same tired bs arguments that were already settled, then I saw that there were other people who went ahead and did it for me kudos to the individuals in here with a working brain that not only see the situation for what it is but know that there is no black panther party since the 80's and that the issue here is not about race. as I said before the difference between white power groups and the original black panthers is this, the white power groups killed everyone not white, the black panthers targeted racist cops abusing their power. if you don't see the logic in that there is no help for you. stars for everyone who actually contributed something meaningful to this thread and for the others all I have is this

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Originally posted by Kali74
reply to post by ThichHeaded

 

Don't confuse the Black Panthers with the New Black Panther Party or the Nation of Islam. Just sayin there's a big difference.

the black panthers everyone knows and loves were a manufactured alphabit soup psyop
originally they were about community empowerment and they were linked with all kinds of groups including
*gasp*
the "white panthers"

so discrediting the girl for mentioning that is kinda fail

thepowerhour.com...
Larry Pinkney was an original member...these interviews really put todays Occupy movement and similar into perspective

reply to post by ANOK


thanks for pointing that out to me! - i learn something new every day.. now my ignorant prejudice i must admit.. is squeegie-ed a tad bit cleaner... thanks honestly...

kudos!

Originally posted by Danbones

Originally posted by Kali74
reply to post by ThichHeaded

 

Don't confuse the Black Panthers with the New Black Panther Party or the Nation of Islam. Just sayin there's a big difference.

the black panthers everyone knows and loves were a manufactured alphabit soup psyop
originally they were about community empowerment and they were linked with all kinds of groups including
*gasp*
the "white panthers"

so discrediting the girl for mentioning that is kinda fail

thepowerhour.com...
Larry Pinkney was an original member...these interviews really put todays Occupy movement and similar into perspective

edit on 27-5-2012 by Danbones because: (no reason given)

AAAANd now i LEARN something new every day... this is in direct opposition from what my previous disagree-er had stated...

WooT! and the mods descend from above on black wings of justice my thanks to you for keeping it on the topic at hand and recognizing people trying to derail something informative

Originally posted by godWhisperer
it's too bad that was all you guys got out of this video. whether you agree with her or not, what is staggeringly important here are the cries of support that she gets from the rest of the audience and the fact that her sentiments are shared by A LOT of people in this country right now.

i think racism is weak and only hurts us all by dividing us but i can understand where she is coming from. she feels war is being waged on her community. from her point of view, her community must unite or die.

besides, 95% of her message had more to do with economics than race.

leaving aside your estimates of percentage- she is the racist here, you do know that right