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...as there is no God.
God is a concept...
...a concept that will forever forsake the progress of humankind...
Originally posted by TreyFlipAWS
many of the stories i have heard from the bible seem like fiction.
Originally posted by Seekerof
I'm not sure if your posting this topic, your thoughts on it, due to 'outside' considerations or what, but your argument has some general 'holes' in it:
* You come right out within two sentences and proclaim"
...as there is no God.
Delta, neither you nor science can claim such and claim such with scientific proof or other. Correct? Forget the semantics of trying to say otherwise, because your making said statement because of a personal, subjective belief, view, conviction, and/or opinion, but certainly not with any type scientifically proven fact(s).
You then state:
God is a concept...
Again, even if 'God' is a concept, this assumption amounts to nothing factual. Because a religion(s) can be associated or ascribed to another, no matter the coincedences, you are making a blanket statement when saying that 'God' is conceptual.
I really believe that Man has considered his insignificance only relative to how ingrained in him the idea is that he is insignificant. We grow up learning in 'Church' that we owe all to this God, and that without it, we would not exist. Without God we would be nothing, and therefore do nothing. What I'm saying is that if we didn't automatically default to the false notion that we are insignificant in comparison to this ideal that we've created, that we may be able to feel a little more empowered when we accomplish something. It's sad for me to see athletes and others proclaim that if it were not for Jesus Christ, all they do would not be possible. All the while, there is always someone out there doing the same things with equal quality, without Jesus Christ. Go figure.
You follow with:
...a concept that will forever forsake the progress of humankind...
O....k.....
Question:
How long has Man looked around Him/Her, and pondered just how insignificant He/She is in the grand scheme of things? Just how long?
Has such thinking really hindered Mankind or in truth, has it 'helped' it along? This issue(s) can go back and forth, but to what avail? No matter what is said to cause one to reconsider such said things, one will ultimately believe what one will, won't they?
I understand. But as long as Man has been rationalizing the subject, it really has only been a blanket statement from both sides. One side believes only that God exists, and that everyone else is wrong, and the other side believes the opposite. And when you break it down, all anyone has on the matter is their opinion. No one has proof either way. And no one ever will, because God doesn't exist.
I am merely trying to prevent one from making and stating blanket type statements that really have been under consideration longer than Man has been a thinking, rationalizing Being.
Originally posted by popeye0314
Delta - I would like to hear the alternate theory you have on creation. By your statements, it seems that you feel very strongly that biblical creation is incorrect. Please tell us more.
Originally posted by Linux
Well ya if you take the stories literally. I'm sure they're metaphorical and full of symbolism that could only relate to the people of the time frame the bible was written in.
Originally posted by DeltaChaos
Originally posted by Linux
Well ya if you take the stories literally. I'm sure they're metaphorical and full of symbolism that could only relate to the people of the time frame the bible was written in.
This is another problem.
Why would anyone in their right mind base their entire system of belief on figurative metaphors, especially ones which could be interpreted any way one needed to suit their needs?
Who cares about how the old and dead people thought or on what they placed importance? They're gone.
Originally posted by Linux
Perhaps thats the style of thier time. What would anyone of thier time know about our time. Literacy has changed over the centuries and will continue to do so. Poetry could have meant alot to them. Who knows right? its an ancient book that doesn't exactly hold much merit in my eyes since its been tampered with, who knows how many times during translation.
Originally posted by rosebeforetime
There is just as much evidence for creation as there is for evolution, it's just the way you look at the evidence. Evolution is a belief, no-one can go back and see what happened. They base their theories on the evidence from what they see now. And their dating methods are based on assuming that the rate of decay and the rate of carbon 14 and radiation and other chemicals that they use for dating things, has been constant but the fact is that they haven't. So how can we know any of the dates that they say are any where near correct. For example they used to say that layers in rock represented years. But they have found many layers in the rock at Mt Helen that were layed in one day.
Originally posted by AeroQuake
So wait, you want to say that Evolution has occured, by innacurate evidence
Originally posted by AeroQuake
Ideal location here
You suppose the truth. You know nothing, as do I or anyone else. Truth is always subjective. You see what you want to see, you hear what you want to hear. The only way to know for sure, I guess, is to die and see what happens. But when nothingness happens, you surely won't be dissapointed. You won't exist to know any better.
Originally posted by AeroQuake
But how slim, indeed. I don't need bother to argue, I know the truth. So say what you want, I will return...Maybe.