Tornadoes spotlight Fukushima as extinction threat and use (!) to divert from truth of GFC...

reply to post by Glassbender777


"enough radiation"? And, how much would that be, exactly? How much is in all four reactors, and what chemicals make this up?

More "disaster fear porn." This is exactly the wild stuff people were saying for the oil spill...a la

"The sea floor is CRACKING!" (still waiting...)

"The sea floor could collapse!!" (still waiting...)

"Oceans of blood! Revelations x:x!" (still waiting...)

Anyone here other than me willing to admit that they don't know what will happen, and that maybe we will survive this? *Gasp* That would be much worse news for a lot of people here, I judge from the comments. It would mean having to put up with more of the same for who knows how long. Now, that's scary.

Originally posted by daynight42
reply to post by Glassbender777

 

"enough radiation"? And, how much would that be, exactly? How much is in all four reactors, and what chemicals make this up?

More "disaster fear porn." This is exactly the wild stuff people were saying for the oil spill...a la

"The sea floor is CRACKING!" (still waiting...)

"The sea floor could collapse!!" (still waiting...)

"Oceans of blood! Revelations x:x!" (still waiting...)

Anyone here other than me willing to admit that they don't know what will happen, and that maybe we will survive this? *Gasp* That would be much worse news for a lot of people here, I judge from the comments. It would mean having to put up with more of the same for who knows how long. Now, that's scary.

Ok, I think you've made your point a few to many times on this post, "What Kind of Chemicals"..... I dont know, whatever makes Radiation at a nuclear reactor, usually uranium-235 or plutonium-239 are the main components of these fuels. Im not a Nuclear scientist, What kind of chemicals Do YOU think is in those pools and reactors. Hmmmm

Its hard to admit. You need to be honest.

This quote from G K Chesterton can summarised the society we live in.
"Specialists must be despots; men must be specialists.
People are way too concern about their retirements funds or the launch of the new iphone 5 ...

Radiations is not a trending topics.

Originally posted by eagleeye2
Its hard to admit. You need to be honest.

This quote from G K Chesterton can summarised the society we live in.
"Specialists must be despots; men must be specialists.
People are way too concern about their retirements funds or the launch of the new iphone 5 ...

Radiations is not a trending topics.

Very true, radiation is not a trending topic. People have moved on. No, they have been moved on. Nothing here to see folks, lets move right along now. Which is precisely leading to my point in this thread.

At first, the Fukushima catastrophe initially was covered up. A media blanket was thrown over it. Government officials and nuclear industry spokespeople as well as lobbyists intentionally sought to confuse the issues in an effort to protect the nuclear industry from the outraged public. You can see some of the confusion mirrored in many of the posts within this forum Crises in Japan. Talk of comparing emission releases to gauge the degree of the disaster is one example. Went into that one earlier. Talk of chemicals betrays a basic lack of understanding of the fundamentals, these are chemical elements, isotopes (radioactive ones) we are describing. Talk of half meltdowns is another of the fairy tales encouraged. A meltdown either is or is not (can you have such a thing as a half fire?). Once the fuel rods have grown so hot they melt through their casings and meld together the blob is then an uncontrollable fissioning process that breaches the containment vessel itself. The fissioning process cannot be halted by attempting to separate the components of the blob. The genie is well and truely out of the bottle at that point, and it is not a pleasant genie.

Later as the GFC picked up steam (terrible pun I know) the nuclear disaster is now effectively/ has become yet another diversion. This I think is a horrifically cynical development by people who have given up on humanity, if they ever had felt anything for humanity at all from the beginning that is. The gloves have come off. Effectively people are now treated by the ruling elites in effect as pure chattel, as collateral damage, in a developing violent struggle exerted against humanity to reassert Capitalism at any cost.

It is a case of allowing Frankenstein to roam while refusing to talk about the hideous and dangerous monster running amok. The refusal extends as a result to doing anything constructive to constrain the monster of the emission belching broken nuclear power plant. And all in the interest of having the villagers huddle in fear while their unelected masters rob their houses, robbing the people blind.

This is really the point being made at the top of the thread.

I don't think the Fukushima thing is distracting anyone. If they are distracted, it's because they have their priorities wrong. There's stuff a lot more aggressive than a nuclear meltdown going on...stuff with active intelligence behind it.

It's the problems that can think for themselves that we should be watching. That nuclear stuff isn't portable...world leaders with nefarious schemes can go from country to country.

Originally posted by Glassbender777

Originally posted by daynight42
reply to post by Glassbender777

 

"enough radiation"? And, how much would that be, exactly? How much is in all four reactors, and what chemicals make this up?

More "disaster fear porn." This is exactly the wild stuff people were saying for the oil spill...a la

"The sea floor is CRACKING!" (still waiting...)

"The sea floor could collapse!!" (still waiting...)

"Oceans of blood! Revelations x:x!" (still waiting...)

Anyone here other than me willing to admit that they don't know what will happen, and that maybe we will survive this? *Gasp* That would be much worse news for a lot of people here, I judge from the comments. It would mean having to put up with more of the same for who knows how long. Now, that's scary.

Ok, I think you've made your point a few to many times on this post, "What Kind of Chemicals"..... I dont know, whatever makes Radiation at a nuclear reactor, usually uranium-235 or plutonium-239 are the main components of these fuels. Im not a Nuclear scientist, What kind of chemicals Do YOU think is in those pools and reactors. Hmmmm

The danger is not from the water the danger is the spent fuel rods themselves. The spent rods give off considerable amounts of “decay heat” and thus must be submerged in constantly circulating water. zirconium cladding on the fuel rods could burst into flames if exposed to air for a few hours, giving off large amounts of radioactive cesium-137, a very toxic element with a half-life of thirty years. When cesium-137 it enters the environment, it essentially acts like potassium and is taken up by plants and animals that use potassium.Which includes humans as well.Locally it would be devastating.However globally the risk is minimal since nuclear testing in the 50s and 60s released for more then what these fuel rods have.

The Japanese are not willing to spend the money necessarily to dispose of these properly.The best way is called a dry cask effectively steel boxes filled with an inert gas which doesn't allow the fuel rods to burn.Cesium will not ignite in less exposed to a catalyst such as oxygen. Right now they keep trying t o get off cheap by continuing to circulate water to keep them cool mostly because the expense but Japan is running the risk of contaminating everything within 100 miles of that plant with lethal radiation.This is what happened in Chernobyl until they incased the entire reactor building.

reply to post by Tallone


Just to point out, isnt it interesting how this disaster could be a possible end of most human life in the northern hemisphere, right before a presidential election? Oh and also the World Olympic Games?

Interesting how this just 'happens' at the right time for a accidental media block out.

I am sure that it is being block purposely to keep the public unaware of whats really going on . Thats what governments do. Have you people not payed any attention to Hollywood movies? Dont you see the government always downplaying every catastrophe and disaster to a minimum to keep the public in darkness? And they lie and keep truth from the public at all costs not to alarm any suspicion or panic until its too late and everyone finds out themself?

Thats been their plan the whole time. Keep everyone in the dark, so nobody asks questions and tell us 'conspiracy theorists' who they say are the morons and terrorists because we bring up the question, cause the rest of the population who is the majority tell us "Well I didnt see it on the news, so its not a problem".

This goes to show how in humane we have become or infact have always been as a human race. For anybody that could do something about this catastrophic event...must simply not care about their loved ones who will face the consequences fifty or so years down the road. We simply care to much about the time we are living in and not the future. This is our problem and will always be our problem. I have two little girls and tell them.sorry just about every day....daddy's sorry for being selfish....because this is what we are. When we find a way to live to 500 years of age then maybe we can out live our selfishness. Whatever comes of this disaster is a mute point. The answer is why we let this happen in the first place. I will note...Japan will be under water soon enough. If you live in japan....get out!!!!

Lightmeup04

I understand your concerns, but it seems like you are reaching a bit with this. Totally understand that we've still got a nuclear plant melting down the northeastern area of Japan, but this was just news on a tornado that hit, i doubt anyone is trying to divert anytihng. As someone mentioned earlier, it's quite rare to have an F2 tornado hit Japan, as the biggest one in recorded history was an F3 back in 2006. The Japanese people are not too familiar with tornados in general, so they're picking this up to create awareness...that's all.
The building complex that was hit with the tornado housed about 20 people who evacuated from Fukushima, and they were interviewed. No one forgot about the disaster, but it's a part of life in Japan now and is something that most people probably have in the back of their heads and keeps it there for most of the time because they need to live life as usual.

reply to post by goldcrow

I understand your concerns, but it seems like you are reaching a bit with this. Totally understand that we've still got a nuclear plant melting down the northeastern area of Japan, but this was just news on a tornado that hit, i doubt anyone is trying to divert anytihng.

You need to re read the first post. Are you are wearing your boots over your head or something? The tornado (actually Japanese authorities believe there could have been multiple) was not a diversion...sheesh, come on.

The mere fact extreme weather is unpredictable highlights the disaster that is ongoing, but of which very very little news is being released. Either from Japan or from official sources abroad.

Yes, you are right tornadoes are not common in Japan. They have had them over the years, much smaller ones, often accompanying the official typhoon season, which is still several months away as yet. This draws attention to the dire situation, the repercussions of maintaining a coverup by authorities both within and outside of Japan. Remember it isn't just Japan affected. It will be the Northern hemisphere and the contamination will reach the Southern hemisphere too eventually. What the freak extreme weather phenomenon does is to sharply bring into focus the dire outcomes of the neglect to take action by both governments and the nuclear industry in general.

Behind this neglect, apparent and irrational disinterest, lies the greed of the controlling elites and their overriding concern to protect their profit in the face of the GFC. They are deathly afraid of the masses rejecting the Capitalist model completely, which I think will be inevitable. I am just hoping against hope we will get to survive nuclear contamination of our environment enough to enjoy a new social, economic, and political model - i.e. the new world.

The population of Honshu in particularly are becoming increasingly aware of the truth about Daiichi, that the situation has not improved, but gotten much worse. That land contaminated by fallout will not be liveable in their lifetimes, or for generations, that the government is not able to fix a nuclear meltdown. The people are growing angry. The threat of increasing public unrest was the reason the Japanese government threw them the fig leaf of the nation wide close down of all nuclear plants, completed days ago. But this cannot last forever. Japan has no viable energy resources waiting in the wings enough to supply its economy. They will turn those nuclear power plants back on again. Japan also needs to maintain support for a nuclear weapons program BTW. But that is another story.

The reason the world appears to allow Fukushima to continue I believe is primarily because of the GFC which represents now the end of the viability of the Capitalist system. First up, fixing Fukushima is seen as too expensive and probably impossible. Second, maintaining the situation creates a distraction from the current political shenanigans and upheavals on the go everywhere. But now I am going over ground already covered in the first post which you need to read again...

Originally posted by Glassbender777
Ok, I think you've made your point a few to many times on this post, "What Kind of Chemicals"..... I dont know, whatever makes Radiation at a nuclear reactor, usually uranium-235 or plutonium-239 are the main components of these fuels. Im not a Nuclear scientist, What kind of chemicals Do YOU think is in those pools and reactors. Hmmmm

If someone asked me a complex physics question, I'd tell them I don't know. Only a physicist is qualified to answer. Likewise, anyone trying to answer questions on the risk these chemicals pose is going to look like an intelligent buffoon. You sound smart, but you have no idea what you're talking about. Get real and let people who do have an idea be the ones to try to answer the question. Be okay with "I don't know." That's a more honest answer than anything else if you really don't know.

It reminds me of the religious groups that cater to people's fears of the unknown. They know people want answers, so they'll just make something up to keep them quiet. Of course it ends up being a big lie.

reply to post by daynight42

You sound smart, but you have no idea what you're talking about. Get real and let people who do have an idea be the ones to try to answer the question. Be okay with "I don't know." That's a more honest answer than anything else if you really don't know.

If someone kept on and on insisting that I don't know what I am talking about I would ask them to give me the correct answer or get on their way.

You would like my credentials? Before you ask I would ask you to present your own first. Hopefully they are not in the field of chemistry, because I am fairly certain mine would be more impressive than your own.

EDIT
WOOOOAH Wait up there. I have just replied to a post to Glassbender777.
WTF, a feeling of split personalities overcoming me. Never mind. I reckon I stand by the post anyway. No need for anyone to show disrespect to others here. I reckon the check posted by Glassbender777 was well in order and for that reason will leave my 'mistake' as is. Lets keep things civil people. Let's focus on the issue focused on in the thread.

reply to post by Tallone


Where are you living?
Because i can't see a "Cover Up" of this Disaster!

Here in Japan we still get our daily Updates starting in the Morning TV from Daiichi,
the International Press is reporting Non-Stop
and a scientific Exchange of Data is in process!

You must living somewhere in the Desert or do not understand a real "Cover Up",

a Cover Up is that every 7 Seconds a Baby/ Child is dieing because of Malnutrition

but there is no Cover Up about F'Shima!

Days since 03/11 424

Since this Accident happened more than 5.233.370 Kids Died because of our Ignorance

This is the real Cover Up!

Realitycheck!

It's hard to make a direct comparison to Chernobyl without knowing the true state of the reactors,I think the last reading was around 72 Sv/hr of course since the unit taking the measurement was destroyed before a final reading was obtained I see no reason it can't be doubled,Not to mention that a camera designed to withstand 1000 Sv was destroyed so who knows,if it's 1000 Sv/hr or possibly higher then ya were talking a dangerous situation worldwide because of the reactors position adjacent to the Ocean

Radiation levels in Chernobyl immediately after the explosion reached around 300 Sv/hr - providing a lethal dose in 1-2 minutes,once again though since the device measuring the levels only went that high who knows what the true level was.

4 Sv/hr is a lethal does Sv = Sievert Rem = Roentgen 1 Sv = 100 Rem

Since I see the bible alot here it's worth noting Revelation 8:11 "the name of the star is Wormwood. A third of the waters turned bitter, and many people died from the waters that had become bitter." people think of it as a literal star but what reactors do are akin to the reactions of a star.

reply to post by Tallone


Maybe we need to get glass domes built over Countries which will be affected by this thing if it goes...

I dunno..... i really wish the msm would finally tell the truth about everything but i gotta wonder who is controlling the msm???

reply to post by Tallone

I want to spotlight the recent freak tornadoes to hit the east coast of Japan as a real example of precisely why Fukushima should be the focus of world efforts to end the ongoing contamination in the air and water of the northern hemisphere.

That doesn't make any sense. You might want to try using a dictionary. Maybe a little bit of punctuation here and there to make it easier on the eyes, too.

But back to that sentence again. What does it mean ? Please elaborate. The idea that Fukushima is used to draw attention away from anything is in itself utterly ridiculous, since Fukushima is almost not mentioned in the news. How can something that's not mentioned in the news draw attention ?

Originally posted by Tallone
If someone kept on and on insisting that I don't know what I am talking about I would ask them to give me the correct answer or get on their way.

Much beside the point. Either you are qualified to answer, and you do. Or, you aren't, so you shouldn't. It has nothing to do with me. It's not about getting the smarter bonehead to answer, it's about getting someone who can answer due to background knowledge (or having second-hand knowledge) to answer.

Get it? If you can answer intelligently, answer. If you can only guess, who the heck needs a guess? Spare us.

This is the last I have to say. It's like I'm speaking a language you don't understand. If you were insulted by what I said, all I can say is that people come here for insight. If you can't offer anything but a guess and try to pass it off as something more, then I'm more the willing to point out that it really just confuses the situation.

reply to post by H1ght3chHippie

That doesn't make any sense. You might want to try using a dictionary. Maybe a little bit of punctuation here and there to make it easier on the eyes, too. But back to that sentence again. What does it mean ? Please elaborate. The idea that Fukushima is used to draw attention away from anything is in itself utterly ridiculous, since Fukushima is almost not mentioned in the news. How can something that's not mentioned in the news draw attention ?

Punctuation smunctuation. But I will try.

Ridiculous? Why?

Consider for the way we get our news. Mostly through the TV. Mostly in 30 second items that tell us nothing in depth. We are given very little to explain what is happening. Very little in the way of analysis. And by analysis I don't mean a summary. I mean an attempt to draw connections to points past present and future, to facts we need to know about to understand a story. And most of all explanations that go beyond the immediacy of mere description. So that we understand the wider implications.

Investigative journalism in MSM has ceased to exist. The last time we had a real investigative story in MSM was Watergate. Since then we have had corporation dictated propaganda. Look at what the news coverage of Libya, and of Syria now. Coverage that was spin to lay the ground work for war, murder, mayhem.

So apart from not feeding us the full facts any longer, we are lied to. The news through TV is reduced to a spin, and magazine type sensationalism. We learn very little, and yet we think we get informed. The news has become a vehicle for propaganda and very little else. That is an effective coverup by officials.

In the case of Fukushima since the very beginning of the disaster, there has been an attempt to divert attention away from the seriousness of the disaster. The fact the danger from the power plant has increased not decreased since March 2011. The fact we who are not living in Fukushima province Japan should be concerned about radioactive contaminants (radioactive isotopes) that lodge themselves in our tissues and that cause eventually severe damage to the surrounding organs. We need be less concerned about say gamma rays coming from the damaged power plant. These contaminants are carried in water and in food and in particals of dust right to us. No one in the Northern hemisphere is safe from them. In fact eventually contaminants from Fukushima ejected into the jet streams and into the ocean find their way to the Southern hemisphere.

We hear a lot about the tsunami, and the earthquake, the victims, the damage we hear very very little about the state of Fukushima and the contamination it is bringing to all of us. That is a cover up. Japanese people are learning more about it every day. They have been lied to constantly by their government and by officials since the catastrophe began. However, protests grow bigger as people realise the situation is far worse than they were told. The Japanese government has responded to public demand by ceasing the production of power from their nuclear plants around the country. But this is only a temporary measure aimed at appeasing the population.

Don't you think a catastrophe on this scale, with the potential to cause the extinction of perhaps all of humanity eventually should get a little more coverage in the media? Wouldn't you think by now, rather than governments attempting to focus on the 'war on terror', on the 'threat' of nuclear strikes from Iran, from North Korea, from China, from Russia, would be very concerned about the most immediate nuclear threat of Fukushima?

Shouldn't Fukushima be in the news EVERY night? What are we getting instead? News about impending civil war in Syria, the need to end the rule of Assad, and the rule of Ahmadinejad in Iran. We are being primed for war again. And yet the real war should be exacted against the ongoing contamination spreading from Fukushima.

You might well ask yourself why they are not talking about Fukushima every night? Telling us what they are doing to assist the Japanese. My argument I have already stated in bold type at the bottom of my post above. Re Frankenstein and the villagers.

Consider the role opportunism plays in all of this.
Consider since March 2011 how the GFC has become far far worse, and how now there is every attempt being made to divert us all from disaster that is the world economy.
Consider why nothing, nothing at all has been done to stop Fukushima puffing away in the light of the GFC and the collapse of Capitalism.

Big ideas to consider. It is the kind of stuff that makes you question your understanding of the world you live in and what you have been taught, of history itself.

Originally posted by Human0815
reply to post by Tallone

 

Where are you living?
Because i can't see a "Cover Up" of this Disaster!

Here in Japan we still get our daily Updates starting in the Morning TV from Daiichi,
the International Press is reporting Non-Stop
and a scientific Exchange of Data is in process!

Yea, that's what i'm saying, just in general...gotta be here to understand what the Japanese people see on a daily basis. Plus the ones who are extra concerned (as more should be) look to overseas media sources for any additional info that might not be included in the Japanese news.