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Originally posted by smithjustinb
That smithjustinb guy is a pretty awesome dude.
Here's an idea I had in the past going along with what you're saying. I'm not sure what knowing or believing this led to though. But I can't say it isn't thought-provoking.
Solipsism ( /ˈsɒlɨpsɪzəm/) is the philosophical idea that only one's own mind is sure to exist. The term comes from the Latin solus (alone) and ipse (self). Solipsism as an epistemological position holds that knowledge of anything outside one's own mind is unsure. The external world and other minds cannot be known, and might not exist outside the mind.
In philosophy, the brain in a vat is an element used in a variety of thought experiments intended to draw out certain features of our ideas of knowledge, reality, truth, mind, and meaning. It is drawn from the idea, common to many science fiction stories, that a mad scientist, machine or other entity might remove a person's brain from the body, suspend it in a vat of life-sustaining liquid, and connect its neurons by wires to a supercomputer which would provide it with electrical impulses identical to those the brain normally receives. According to such stories, the computer would then be simulating reality (including appropriate responses to the brain's own output) and the person with the "disembodied" brain would continue to have perfectly normal conscious experiences without these being related to objects or events in the real world.
Consensus reality is an approach to answering the philosophical question "What is real?" It gives a practical answer: reality is either what exists, or what we can agree seems to exist.
The process has been (perhaps loosely and a bit imprecisely) characterised as "when enough people think something is true, it... takes on a life of its own". The term is usually used disparagingly as by implication it may mean little more than "what a group or culture chooses to believe", and may bear little or no relationship to any "true reality", and, indeed, challenges the notion of "true reality".
The dream argument is the postulation that the act of dreaming provides preliminary evidence that the senses we trust to distinguish reality from illusion should not be fully trusted, and therefore any state that is dependent on our senses should at the very least be carefully examined and rigorously tested to determine whether it is in fact reality.
A false awakening is a vivid and convincing dream about awakening from sleep, while the dreamer in reality continues to sleep. After a false awakening, subjects often dream they are performing daily morning rituals such as cooking, cleaning and eating. The experience is sometimes called a double dream, or a dream within a dream.
Maya or Māyā (Sanskrit माया māyāa[›]), in Indian religions, has multiple meanings, usually quoted as "illusion", centered on the fact that we do not experience the environment itself but rather a projection of it, created by us. Māyā is the principal deity that manifests, perpetuates and governs the illusion and dream of duality in the phenomenal Universe.
Simulated reality is the skeptical hypothesis that reality could be simulated—perhaps by computer simulation—to a degree indistinguishable from "true" reality. It could contain conscious minds which may or may not be fully aware that they are living inside a simulation.
Originally posted by elegant-gypsy
First, great post by smithjustinb here... www.abovetopsecret.com...
His thoughts sparked me enough to log in and actually post, which I rarely do. To further what he has already said..... In my studies, I have found one of those wondrous, enchanting places where science meets spirituality....
IN OUR WHOLE LIVES WE HAVE NEVER SEEN AN OBJECT!
That is, if you believe reality to be a series of nouns (person, places, "things")..... Explanation:
Within the human eye there resides about 90 million rod cells and 4 million cone cells. Rod cells are responsible for the perception of light or dark and helps us with night vision and peripheral. Cone cells are responsible for the perception of color. Neither one of these cells "makes you see" an object. They only allow you to see the reflected light and perceived color of that so-called object.
Therefore, IN YOUR WHOLE LIFE YOU HAVE NEVER SEEN AN OBJECT ONLY THE LIGHT REFLECTING OFF OF THAT "OBJECT".
How is that for a serious head-spinner? ;P
Any great things to add to this, ATSers?edit on 3-5-2012 by elegant-gypsy because: (no reason given)
the philosophical position that our conscious experience is not of the real world itself but of an internal representation, a miniature virtual-reality replica of the world.