26yo NYC MoMa Chef Shot DEAD for iPhone, 2 Gunmen Caught by Craigslist Ad using victims Tel#

the bold, ruthless, audacity they had, to stalk the victim from their car for blocks,

to kick the victim's body around to make sure he was dead,

to use the phone number to list multiple iPhones for sale including their freshly killed victim's, on CL

to jokingly, senselessly call this "hobby" of stealing iPhones even at the cost of LIFE, "apple-picking"

A former Sunday school teacher who had just started working at The Modern, an upscale French-American restaurant at Manhattan’s Museum of Modern Art, Yang was killed on April 19 while walking from the subway to his Riverdale home.

“He was listening to music ... doing something on his cell phone,” Campbell said. Campos and Davis tailed Yang in a car for five blocks before Davis got out and shot the chef, the detective said.

Before leaving, Davis kicked the motionless man to make sure he was dead, a witness told police. Going after iPhone and other Apple products is known on the street as “Apple picking,” police sources said.

Read more: www.nydailynews.com...

This is what happens when you ban guns in NYC. The guy had no way to defend himself against these vermin.

The sad thing is wireless companies could put a stop to this but they won't - why? Profits!

Washington, D.C., police chief Cathy Lanier sees it every day: “It’s a huge business, huge business. The after-market resale of these phones ... the profit that they're making is just driving this whole problem.”

And, she said, the wireless industry is putting its own profit over your safety, allowing stolen phones to be reactivated later with a different phone number. Yes, that’s right: In most cases, black market buyers or the thieves themselves can still buy service on that stolen phone.

The relatively easy fix -

Every cell phone has its own unique ID, or fingerprint. Once the phone is reported stolen, it would be blacklisted in the U.S. Wireless companies from Verizon to AT&T, T-Mobile to Sprint, would all share information, banning service on that stolen phone on all carriers forever.

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This is what happens when your dumb ass is staring at a phone to replace situational awareness.People are lost on these stupid things.East pickings for thugs and prone to accidents.
If you can't have a gun, better get a knife.Yet another of many victims on the violent disarmed big cities.

reply to post by BiggerPicture


Tonight a Chicago area guy was shot while trying to get his stolen phone back at a 7/11.

The thief agreed to meet, but then demanded cash, so the thief shot the cellphone owner and ran off, since the rightful owner wasn't down with the idea of paying for his own property.

I took a few screenshots off the local CL rant, which I thought were possibly related, since the pix loaded were of guys posing in front of their mirror, using phones, and the verbal content was quite livid about the 'thieves' (everyone is now using the n word) who are stealing in the neighborhood. The rant was posted last night. The shooting was today, in broad daylight. And the shooting was in the area from which the rant originated. I was wondering if the victim had remotely gathered the image data and posted it, just like you can track a stolen computer and spy on the person who carries/steals it, and then went after his phone, but with the wrong 'attitude'.

I won't link to CL because it will be construed as racist.

Here's the story:

www.wgnradio.com...

I figure if the 'rant' gets pulled, then it was pulled for forensic reasons. We'll see.

reply to post by davidmann

The guy was meeting a man he obviously knew to be a thief..hence..criminal...in Chicago to recover his own stolen property in what couldn't possibly be non-confrontational in the best of imagined outcomes....and he did it without a weapon or backup of any kind? Wow... I'm sorry but that's suicide by bad guy and winner of a Darwin award. It's cold, but thats stupid and it's just not something I can think of any other way.


When I meet for craigslist stuff. it's in the side lot of a local tourist attraction where I know at least 3 video cameras are covering the lot and it's signed in enough places so they know too. Just enough foot traffic so it's not isolated but it's nothing like a spectacle in the front of the store either. I've also never gone to a CL meeting without a firearm. Generally someone is with me and they are armed, as well.

Too many criminals looking at Craigslist as a literal dial-a-victim service with free delivery to handle it any other way these days.

reply to post by Wrabbit2000


Yeah, CL is pretty seedy. It's hard to believe that so many spammers and such can survive with all the competition there. I see it as one big data base collection service...oh wait, the internet is one big data base collection point...just waiting for the right laws to make everything illegal...

I don't think one will survive very long if they are constantly toting a gun around, trying to equalize the meetings they attend. Rules of engagement have suffered by lowered morals and standards. Shooting is the first thing on everyone's mind. Sooner or later you will lose. Not worth it, over a walkie talkie. Some persons are quite used to killing, capping, whatever. Others are not, and wouldn't do it unless absolute life or death situations presented themselves, and by then, it's too late, because the practiced killer will be ready, safety off, gun in belt, ready to fire on a split second notice, and over the slightest provocation.

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So sad.
Stupid senseless unnecessary murder..

But hey, what can you expect from a country who's ranked
82/153 on the GPI( Global Peace Index)

GLOBAL PEACE INDEX GPI 2011

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wow poor chef guy!

if only he had a gun to defend himself, maybe the bad guys would have been dead, and he would have lived to cook a tasty meal another day?

r.i.p. chef, you cooked well. (i never ate there, so i dunno anyway)

reply to post by samsamm9

But. how is that possible, our president won the Nobel Peace Prize?

Oh I get it He fosters peace because he has alot of weapons!

Originally posted by SoymilkAlaska
reply to post by BiggerPicture

 

wow poor chef guy!

if only he had a gun to defend himself, maybe the bad guys would have been dead, and he would have lived to cook a tasty meal another day?

r.i.p. chef, you cooked well. (i never ate there, so i dunno anyway)

Is it really the way to go?
The solution to the problem is more violence ?

reply to post by davidmann

It's not nearly as dramatic as you'd make it sound in carrying a concealed weapon. The training first focuses on avoiding the position of ever having to unconceal it, but having the confidence in knowing that being backed down and run over simply isn't a possible outcome. A fair % of the U.S. who are eligible to get their CCW likely have by now. I know it's a measurable % here have. it's nowhere near 50%, but then I'd never have expected it to be. The crime rates have not gone up here in the years since the permit law passed to any noticeable degree and the idea that it causes more problems has pretty well been put to rest by example of what has actually happened (or not happened)... There have been cases here where it saved lives...but there are sites dedicated to nothing but recording those cases all over the nation. It's worth taking a moment for those who don't know how often it happens and goes unmentioned by the media.

Personally, I think the likelihood that everyone involved in a craigslist meeting is armed makes is a more polite and easy going meeting. I'd say about half the people I've bought or sold from have been carrying to where I could see it imprinting under a shirt or something. It's sad when it's become simple common sense..but there ya go. I've certainly never felt offended when I realize the other guy is also using his right to carry. It's no threat unless I'm at some disadvantage by it, which I'm not, or..one of us is a criminal...which hasn't happened yet.

Originally posted by samsamm9

Originally posted by SoymilkAlaska
reply to post by BiggerPicture

 

wow poor chef guy!

if only he had a gun to defend himself, maybe the bad guys would have been dead, and he would have lived to cook a tasty meal another day?

r.i.p. chef, you cooked well. (i never ate there, so i dunno anyway)

Is it really the way to go?
The solution to the problem is more violence ?

edit on 29-4-2012 by samsamm9 because: (no reason given)

oh gosh i HOPE not.

it really feels hopeless, but i know that the right answer definitely isn't to take the guns away from everyone, because all they are doing is taking the guns away from the good people who will follow the rules and be unable to get a new gun.

meanwhile, the bad guys will always find a way to get a gun and shoot all the good people that are now defenseless...

i feel bad about it, but really, maybe he should have had a gun?

you do make a good point though, i just feel bad ya know?

Violence, theft in particular, is linked to poverty. Instead of eliminating guns or telling everyone to strap up for the sake of "self defense," why don't we work to reduce poverty?

Oh right, because that would be socialism; god forbid we do anything to try and improve our community.

reply to post by DestroyDestroyDestroy


Your community needs to improve itself.
If you are waiting for someone else to do it for you, your SOL

well if the chef had of shot the thugs, it would of just turned into another "trayvon" incident.

damned if you do damned if you dont.

Sounds like they need a stand your ground law.

Craigslist is proving a good tool for law enforcement.

This is the same as some one stealing a car and then registering that car with the SAME VIN number to a new owner. We would never allow that so why allow this. Cell phones have two numbers that are for that phone and that phone only. The IMEI number and th SIM card serial number. It would be very easy to post the numbers on a hot sheet and block the phones from ever being used. Now that is a law I think we need.


I bet Apple and other smart-phone makers would doing something about it if they started to lose sells. They may as people just get afraid to own one seeing as it could get them killed

Originally posted by Maluhia
The relatively easy fix -

Every cell phone has its own unique ID, or fingerprint. Once the phone is reported stolen, it would be blacklisted

That IMEI blocking is done here in Australia for reported stolen phones, and so silly, me, I assumed it would be the same everywhere in the world.
Yeah, there's no technical reason it cant be done.


Edit - maybe light at the end of the tunnel for USAmericans...

Within six months, consumers will be able to call Verizon Wireless, AT&T, Sprint Nextel and T-Mobile if their devices are stolen and the carriers will block the phones from being used again.

washingtonpost

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Theft is not the outcome of poverty. It's the outcome of greed. Sorry but I've seen too many poor people that didn't steal and wouldn't think of it.
Then I've seen those that have money in they're pocket and steal from people all the time.
The guys in my neighborhood were a bunch of criminals, plain and simple. And they never stole food, odd but they took things like drugs, destroyed peoples property, took tvs , radios. Things that could be easily pawned. One guy laughed as he told me about breaking into someones house and slashing up they're couch, kicking in the tv ,breaking the kitchen table etc.When I asked him why he did it, his reply was ...because it was fun. I'm not a get tough on criminals fanatic, but neither am I a fool to feel sorry for those poor poor people that just can't help themselves.
Yeah they can. They do it cause they want to .