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Originally posted by Autumnal
Originally posted by Drunkenparrot
reply to post by Autumnal
Do you have any comment on the verbiage of Florida's stand your ground statutes posted above that clearly and specifically allows use of force even by the initial aggressor if they either reasonably believes that they are in imminent danger of death or great bodily harm or trying to withdraw from physical contact?
Yup, you highlighted the wrong part and failed to put it into the context a court of law puts it in.
Hint: "retreat"
776.041 Use of force by aggressor.—The justification described in the preceding sections of this chapter is not available to a person who:
(1) Is attempting to commit, committing, or escaping after the commission of, a forcible felony; or
(2) Initially provokes the use of force against himself or herself, unless:
(a) Such force is so great that the person reasonably believes that he or she is in imminent danger of death or great bodily harm and that he or she has exhausted every reasonable means to escape such danger other than the use of force which is likely to cause death or great bodily harm to the assailant; or
(b) In good faith, the person withdraws from physical contact with the assailant and indicates clearly to the assailant that he she desires to withdraw and terminate the use of force, but the assailant continues or resumes the use of force.
Originally posted by Autumnal
Originally posted by TKDRL
reply to post by conspiracy nut
You do not have to be a cop! You have this huge hangup in your brain, that seems to think you need a badge to prevent crime..... You do not have to have a badge, or piece of paper that tells you it is OK. Do what you can for your community, and your community will improve. Criminals are generally lazy, and will move to where people are cowards, and will not challenge their "superiority".
You do have to have a badge to arrest people to PREVENT a crime.
Originally posted by Hardstepah
no evidence to suggest trayvon attacked zimmerman?
have you been paying attention to the same story as everybody else? you don't get beat up like GZ did without somebody attacking you.
Originally posted by Hardstepah
so if he was paranoid he would have ran away? invalid argument, that would just prove that zimmerman wasn't a "paranoid racist" like you angry mob types like to hide behind.
if zimmerman was paranoid would that mean he would just go shoot somebody? if so, why would that mean trayvon wouldn't do the same thing?
F#&^ this thread i'm out. too many people trying to dodge the blatant evidence to cling on to the "poor innocent 8th grader trayvon martin savagely hunted down and shot by the blood thirsty racist george zimmerman" THEORY (or made up bs speculation to put it bluntly).
have fun supporting the riots that happen when zim walks
Originally posted by Hardstepah
Originally posted by Autumnal
Originally posted by TKDRL
reply to post by conspiracy nut
You do not have to be a cop! You have this huge hangup in your brain, that seems to think you need a badge to prevent crime..... You do not have to have a badge, or piece of paper that tells you it is OK. Do what you can for your community, and your community will improve. Criminals are generally lazy, and will move to where people are cowards, and will not challenge their "superiority".
You do have to have a badge to arrest people to PREVENT a crime.
citizens arrest laws say otherwise. try again
Originally posted by TKDRL
reply to post by Autumnal
Wrong. I have made arrests on people that were too drunk to walk straight, let alone drive.edit on Sun, 20 May 2012 21:09:40 -0500 by TKDRL because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Drunkenparrot
Originally posted by Autumnal
Originally posted by Drunkenparrot
reply to post by Autumnal
Do you have any comment on the verbiage of Florida's stand your ground statutes posted above that clearly and specifically allows use of force even by the initial aggressor if they either reasonably believes that they are in imminent danger of death or great bodily harm or trying to withdraw from physical contact?
Yup, you highlighted the wrong part and failed to put it into the context a court of law puts it in.
Hint: "retreat"
B.S. !
Either you are being purposely obtuse or you need to read it again.
776.041 Use of force by aggressor.—The justification described in the preceding sections of this chapter is not available to a person who:
(1) Is attempting to commit, committing, or escaping after the commission of, a forcible felony; or
(2) Initially provokes the use of force against himself or herself, unless:
(a) Such force is so great that the person reasonably believes that he or she is in imminent danger of death or great bodily harm and that he or she has exhausted every reasonable means to escape such danger other than the use of force which is likely to cause death or great bodily harm to the assailant; or
(b) In good faith, the person withdraws from physical contact with the assailant and indicates clearly to the assailant that he she desires to withdraw and terminate the use of force, but the assailant continues or resumes the use of force.
Pinned on the ground screaming for help while somebody bashes your head into a concrete side-walk easily fulfils both criteria. This is in the worst possible scenario where Zimmerman is proven the aggressor for which there is no legally admissible evidence at this juncture.
Supposition and conjecture do not count.
Originally posted by Technique4Ever
reply to post by Hardstepah
Coward liberals would love it if we all believed we have no individual power. Coward liberals would love it if we didn't have the means to buy guns and defend ourselves. Coward liberals are brought up to believe that only the people that are cops, or PI, or whatever badge of authority can save us. A shame our schools teach such nonesense.
Originally posted by GogoVicMorrow
reply to post by Autumnal
You don't understand what evidence is.
The fact that Trayvon is the one that had damage on his knuckles and Zimmerman didn't.
The fact that Zimmerman was beat up despite calling 9-11 and having a gun that he could use to avoid physical altercation.
The fact that Zimmerman was beat up and Trayvon was not. The fact that Trayvon was witnessed on top of Zimmerman beating him up by several people.
That is evidence that Trayvon attacked him. It doesn't prove it 100 percent, but it is evidence. So read a dictionary, understand the definition and stop calling people retarded while you wallow in ignorance. Evidence and proof are not synonymous.edit on 21-5-2012 by GogoVicMorrow because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by GogoVicMorrow
reply to post by Drunkenparrot
It's intentional.
SYG does still apply to Zimmerman. Even if he originally looked for Martin, he wasn't looking for him to hurt him or attack him. When Trayvon put Zimmerman in a position where he had no means of escape and had to defend himself he had the right to shoot Martin under both self defense laws and SYG.
Martin would not have been covered under SYG because there is no evidence that he did everything in his power to avoid the confrontation.edit on 21-5-2012 by GogoVicMorrow because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Autumnal
Originally posted by Hardstepah
no evidence to suggest trayvon attacked zimmerman?
ABSOLUTELY ZERO!
have you been paying attention to the same story as everybody else? you don't get beat up like GZ did without somebody attacking you.
What are you, retarded? Have you ever been in or even seen a fight? There is a winner and loser. Neither of those can tell you who started it.
I would love to see you try.
I will wait right here.
Show me evidence Trayvon started the fight and I will leave the thread.