No Matter What Your Politics, Why Is Anyone Living In Poverty?

Bad decisions lead to poverty and all manner of unneccessary problems. Education is the single most important social function.

reply to post by Semicollegiate


Supposed bad decisions lead to poverty for a minority in the so called wealthier countries.

But in reality, childbirth, parenthood, disabilities. And economy health or economy lead to this. In addition, since most corporations are corrupt and evil, its not really possible to work for them when you awake and aware. So that leaves, people simply having the right to live, on land, in their own homes, and only volunteer or work if they wish to, at what they wish.

That alone ends all poverty.

But not just here.

For in reality the economy you're talking about is a minority one. Billions live in abject poverty. They don't play our number games and musical chairs, which by the way, I don't support our musical chairs.

I am for the full equality and rights of the single, disabled mother of 5 living in her own home with dignity in every country on earth.

And this movement is one that needs to be lifted off, to end poverty now, the solutions have been found.

The earth belongs to all of us.

reply to post by Unity_99


An education is supposed to be preparation for life by learning how to make good decisions, not learning a profession. Lack of education is the single most responsible reason for poverty, anywhere.

I don't comprehend how any eductation prevents poverty. Childbirth and families have poverty inherent in them especially if you have integrity and don't work out with children no matter what.

Houses cost over 500 000 dollars here, even townhouses are close to that, and what number of jobs would you have to work at to own such a thing?

Why should you have to abandon your own goals to luck out with your health and stamina, and be lucky to be born into the right family, or be so ambitious and climb ruthlessly to the top to own a home?

Like I said, with a good education, anyone should be in their own home NOW! They have the full ownership rights to the earth and it is a crime against humanity to say otherwise.

Again. Regardless of your prejudice against people and their circumstances which includes billions who have not even one chance in a million of changing their odds from this, to home ownership:



If you throw out of your heart all preconditions for living. All controlling requirements that allow you to say, one should live, (he is smart and works like a good slave), one should die (he has no rights to the earth and resources), just cast that out, and realize, within a few months everyone on earth could be in their own homes growing their own gardens if people teamed up and did it.

Set aside any conditions on it.

We can end all poverty on earth.

No control over any one. No conditions. No slavery. Just basic foundation of living equal and shared.

What is in your heart that prevents you from seeing that?

Originally posted by Unity_99
reply to post by Stadtsmasher

 

I was with you up until the part of stringing them up.

We need to learn how to be assertive, to flex our collective muscles and motivate each other to get things done, be good watchdogs for the political systems, veto all the stuff we don't like, non violent. non participation and non obedience to crimes they pass off as laws, and yet at the same time, not growing those muscles that are so badly needed by all of us, and just reverting to caveman pounding and abuse to win, is failing the tests here.

Its not that way. We need to do what we all seem so uncomfortable doing, grow our effectiveness at working for common goals in our communities. And even forming new parties if needed.

edit on 23-3-2012 by Unity_99 because: (no reason given)

I understand where you're coming from, I really do. Furthermore, I would be all for non violent solutions. I have to agree with Stadtsmasher. I think we are well past the point of peaceful solutions. The ones in control do not share power, they do not share wealth. It's not in their interests. Are you going to protest? Ask them for what you want for society? Tell them what you want? When has any of it changed anything that really mattered? In no way do I claim to have all the answers, but I do know the ones in control are not giving it up peacefully.

reply to post by Unity_99


I don't undestand your lack of comprehension, what do you think education is for?

People who's forefathers built their houses on sand (as per the bible) are today in poverty. If they had been educated they wouldn't have done that.

Education is as neccessry as language to live a human life.

reply to post by Semicollegiate


If you are saying education as in the need to wake people up world wide, then I apologize. The reason for the confusion is due to that actually being one of the arguments many have used for ignoring the plight of the poor. I've heard that before. If this is the case, and you're speaking of the need to educate the public, then sorry and really appreciate your sticking it out to get through to me.

reply to post by Unity_99


I really love it. Great post and great idea!
It sounds to socialist to fly in the current climate.

The idea now is to separate us into enclaves so we do not see what others have or don't have. You would be surprised how many people think they want that world.

Man has not completely fallen flat on his face yet. When that happens maybe he will learn whats important, speaking metaphorically of course and embrace solutions that include everybody.

reply to post by Unity_99


I agree with you that people could and should live closer to the Earth. Modern technology allows a self-sufficient community almost any where of almost any size.

You're right that education doesn't directly fix the problems that exsist right now. I realize that education is preemptive not always proactive or retroactive. LIke Humpty Dumpty

A few reasons, 1a. the same reason you are having this discussion on a computer that would probably feed and cloth children in poverty somewhere in the world right now, 1b. the same reason that 1a isn't individually initiated without coercion already, 2. the same reason we are not born Captain Americas right out of the womb; thermodynamics and biological inequalities, and 3. why every sentient being, irregardless of their classification, is also not included in this proposal to be housed and fed in months.

Simply put, the answer is physics.

Poverty is a matter of perception. There is a big difference in the poverty in the USA and other "modern" countries like Europe and the type of poverty in 3rd world countries.

Sure we "can" demand the problem gets fixed but then that, if it ever worked would only result in short term goals being met then the whole thing falling apart again. The problem is there is no real long term plan to keep these poverty stricken people out of poverty's touch. This is for the 3rd world countries. There needs to be in place a foundation, a "control" if you will. It needs to be sure, tested and implemented on a very large scale world wide. This can never happen as long as everyone doesn't play for the same team. Getting that to happen is an impossible task.

In the USA and like countries the story is different. I was homeless once by choice. It didn't start out that way. I moved to another city to escape something and could not find a job, then the money ran out etc.. I lived on the streets for 4 months. I know something of whats it's like to be in that position where you don't know where you will sleep or if it's safe or where your next meal will come from. It's no fun at all. BUT, at least here there was help at every turn. In the USA as long as your willing to pull yourself up from your bootstraps you can get back on track. There are tons of people and places to help you do that.

The poverty level is very misleading. Wikipedia has this to say;

Poverty is defined as a state of privation and a lack of necessities. [1]It is also defined as the state of one who lacks a usual or socially acceptable amount of money or material possessions.[2] According to the U.S. Census Bureau data released Tuesday September 13th, 2011, the nation's poverty rate rose to 15.1% (46.2 million) in 2010,[3] up from 14.3% (approximately 43.6 million) in 2009 and to its highest level since 1993. In 2008, 13.2% (39.8 million) Americans lived in relative poverty.[4] In 2000, the poverty rate for individuals was 12.2% and for families was 9.3%.[5]

The government's definition of poverty is based on total income received. For example, the poverty level for 2011 was set at $22,350 (total yearly income) for a family of four.[6] Most Americans (58.5%) will spend at least one year below the poverty line at some point between ages 25 and 75.[7] There remains some controversy over whether the official poverty threshold over- or understates poverty.

en.wikipedia.org...

I fit this second definition. I make way below half that (for two people a year.) I doubt with what I make and the wife combined we make over 6000 a year. I own a condo, a small 5 room house. I pay 280 dollars a month for (unlimited) electricity and water in "maintenance fees". We have a phone, internet, two computers, cell phones, we buy food every two weeks, enjoy simple things like the internet, fishing hobbies like my Electric Bike, ( 700 dollars for transportation a one time investment - does 28 mph for a range of 20 miles per day) and my Electric Cigarettes, way cheaper than smoking and super cool high tech way to get your nicotine. We BBQ a lot and have parties.

In short, we live just as well as anyone else while cutting costs like not having a car, an un-needed expense. I was raised middle class. Will I ever reach middle class? Who knows.. do I care? Nope. having more money and or fancier things can do nothing for me that I cannot already enjoy. Sure it might be nice, but if it never happens then I'm just as happy to live in "poverty" the rest of my life.

Edit to add,

We accept no government assistance of Any kind, we do not believe in it - That is for people who are much worse off than we are. This condo is not a section 8, but one I purchased outright when I had the money We work for a living at our respective jobs - we pay our bills and our taxes (when applicable)

Greed and ignorance.

I could have no money and live off the land, and some may call that poverty. The fact is, I would be way happier in "poverty" than working my life away to keep my big house and possessions. Sadly the world we live in makes it hard to do that, and makes us more dependent on our governments.

reply to post by imherejusttoread


The computer would be in the homes. Many don't watch television and communication even world unity is needed. So far this is the technology that equalizes businesses, and creates that unifying communication. And no I'd rather not substitute it for a microchip or anything weird like that.

There are better designs that could come out. I was shown something in a vision. It was virtualized, almost like a hologram. It was a beautiful quartz crystal, could even be grown not natural, so as not to deplete them, and in a stand, hooked to a screen, just an elegant crystal on a stand, very zen.

Within that crystal, a very high level of processor/ram was virtualized, both hardware and operating system.

I don't know but feel that as people not only connect to themselves more, without the stresses, walk away from the rat race of life and gain zen, ask for disclosure but also ask themselves each night before sleep for solutions, ideas come.

We are not to promote scarsity, but abundance for all. Balance and happiness for all! Not live like hermits in caves shut off from each other.

But community, local and global.

Go within and find those still waters, or work at stilling the ripples and currents, to flow.

We can evolve out of things that take fossil fuels and heavy resources from mother earth.

If we are carrying ripples in our inner pools, muddy spots that clearly are blocking our seeing that all could live free and decent lives, first, and only volunteer to share their talents with the world by choice, second, then we should work at overcoming these, because it is this programming that is harming others.

Many feel they have the right to their opinions, but think deeply on this. if your opinion is put into place as policy and seriously harms, kills many fellow human beings, due to a wish to suddenly control another, then your opinion is a crime to them is it not?

We have the right to will to give gifts to one another. If you showed up, and I had a basket of fresh produce on hand, would you accept my gift of produce? We may en grace each other.

But do we have the right to form opinons and steal the equality and survival from others? To take from an another their equal right to access to the world and resources, without any of our conditions?

Governments and even corporations behind them, while they do enact their own goals and intentions, they still funciton to a large extent as a mirror to the frequency and awareness of humanity.

So this is something we need to pluck out of us.

Opinions can be neutral, ie affect us, helpful, ie engrace another, nudge out of the box, personal, our own individual tastes and freedom and expression of self, but I don't believe we have the right to harm any other person in any way with any of our thoughts and beliefs.

reply to post by Unity_99


If your child ate anything they liked because they are fussy eaters and you allowed it, and your child ends up not caring about nutrition. He could end up very skinny and malnourished or obese.

If you take into account that you care about a certain aspect of your life, you will find that that aspect flourishes. For instance, if you look after your childs diet, your child will grow essentially as well as the diet will allow.

Another example, you are told by your doctor to start exercising as you are likely to suffer from heart disease if you don't, and you start exercising, and when you see him next time, he is super impressed with how good your heart performs.

These are two small examples of caring... once you care, you flourish. It's a simple law of life, wealth and happiness. It sounds over simplified, but when people start taking matters into their own hands and start striving for their own future, then everything starts falling into place - prime example; The Arab Spring - the miracle of this has been wonderful to behold. God helps those who help themselves.

imho one of the most important areas that needs to be addressed is Emotional Intelligence. The discussion of education has been going on as a way to end poverty... I agree yet I want to expand on that fact. It's not a general "education" field that needs to be developed. Our planet has done that very well. We need to develop the other aspect of intelligence that leads to using technology in a positive, helpful, way which is emotional intelligence.

Emotional Intelligence aids people in being able to develop empathy to other beings. Empathy is the key to progressing our species and unifying together, not through the sword but through the heart. We have for so long put great emphasis on cognitive intelligence and not emotional intelligence which is why I feel our world is in the present state it is. YET from reading these posts and looking at the various aid groups that are popping up I feel this is changing. Technology is aiding people in developing their empathic responses to others by exposure to those others who they would normally not even knew existed.

This is my prediction and hope. As our emotional intelligence grows as individuals (through direct/conscious effort or gradual exposure) by default we will slowly unit as a species. Cohersion, war, the sword, will not be needed due to a perspective of poverty being MY and OUR problem not THEIR problem. This needs to start with educating our youth in schools more and more about emotional intelligence and growth. In addition to developing problem solving skills, abstract and concrete thinking skills, etc. Aiding them in learning HOW to think not just, as someone mentioned, preparing them for the workforce.

When you add the combination of conscious development of emotional intelligence AND cognitive intelligence you have a very very good outcome.

My 2 cents...

Earthship Design Principles

What I picture for human equality and living, is some citified lots, but with a lot more green space, aside from shopping, and education areas, and some very clean technical industries, but basically eco farms and larger lots, very common, with townhouses, about half again as big as they are now, bigger, with greenhouses joining them up, and some ground level (dont need elderly caught in fires or earthquakes) condos with garden areas. Along with eco farms and individual farms, and smaller towns, with lots and lots of services and care for the elderly and needy who are completely equal in every way. but would need help with food production, and deliveries, shopping, outings, healthcare, the normal stuff. A wonderful world of sharing and caring but different choices, all green, all with green houses and bigger lots and many eco spaces, nothing high up, or at risk.

Recycled materials and harvesting fallen trees only, some forrest management but no abuse of nature, no clearcut logging or strip mining.

Recyled, everything recycled all the time, not just some things. And all appliances made to last, to pass on, and not break down.

Technology would change some of these in an upgraded world, but lets stick with what we know now just for the sake of the argument. Of course there are already much better things buried.

No waste, eco toilets.

I would use the tires, and pack them with dirt, but I would not use the cement. Would use a slurry of papercrete, ie. local minerals, sand and clay mixed with paper mache, and lots of long strong fibred HEMP plant, for building material and cabinets counters, etc. Flooring needs to be chosen with care, I don't like cement or tiles everywhere, but softer flooring with some give,no rugs, so need to examine things like renewable bamboo/hemp type planking with some earthen tiles, and hemp type mats and rag rugs.

But basically alternative building.

And when we start bringing out the solid state holigraphy the already have, and the GMO, things growing from a seed.

If a GMO mercedes benz can grow from a seed, why are our homes using up renewable resources?

Why are computers using raw material instead of utilizing the amazing properties of quartz or diamond, which we can also grow instead of mine. We can make crystals and virtualize whole computers not just hard drive in them.

So......lots and lots of space, homes and solutions for people, we need to throw out the banks, realtors and slavers, and take back our world.

People are dying every second due to the heartlessness of some, and the apathy of others.

because some are more equal than others.

Originally posted by RoScoLaz
because some are more equal than others.

The ones who can conceive of that, are the tiniest creatures, little snotty nosed brats running around in extremely messy diapers, and the reason its taking so long is many try to get them out of this trap and mindset they're in, but unfortunately they don't wake up and start to live the right way and take on the leadership in communities like they're supposed to.

So unfortunately, those asleep at the wheel are joining in with the very immature tiny tots at the bottom.

Family above, who are extremely progressed and upgraded to hundreds of thousands of times our soul orb size see all as equal, each clip of the film of their spirit's journey and the potential they have to grow fully, as equal in every way. They are only Love, and the greatest is always the smallest to them. They roll up their sleeves and go to the bottom of the trenches.