March 22, 2012 Footage shows OWS protesters dumping fecal matter, urine around NYC

This doesn't surprise me.

A bunch of mardy, causeless, directionless tramps, with an extreme entitlement complex, showing their true, uncivilised colours.

Originally posted by MilzGatez
LOL Welcome to New York... I, myself and a few thousand people in NY do that anyway, Go in the Subway, it usually smell like piss because of homeless people and other people who just have to go and they do it at the station. This is something new rather it is the Occupiers, visitor and people just living in NY. The City isnt always clean and not all over is clean.

This is an unimportant issue about the Occupiers doing that when people in NY do it every single day..

I use to live in the city before moving west. People like you, with your mentality, are part of the reason I'm so happy to have left.

Do you actually realize how disgusting you sound?

Originally posted by Sherlock Holmes
This doesn't surprise me.

A bunch of mardy, causeless, directionless tramps, with an extreme entitlement complex, showing their true, uncivilised colours.

Any time someone generalises the whole of a movement as a certain negative type (you managed 6 there, well done!) it's basically just lazy.

Oh and the entitlement thing, well done! Have heard that pop up a lot lately. Am sure someone has been making sure the whole entitlement thing goes around all over the place, it's just been happening too much to be co-incidence.

And you want me to explain why the entitlement thing is wrong? Well I'm not going to, look at the state of the world, think what our basic human rights should be and do it yourself, unless you want to first explain to me how the whole of Occupy are :

1) mardy
2) causeless
3) directionless
4) tramps
5) displaying an extreme entitlement complex
6) showing uncivilised colours, which according to you happen to be their true ones.

What next, commies?

reply to post by robhines


Is a free college education a basic human right? That's on the agenda of the Occupy movement. They also want their student loan debt ERASED. Really! Sounds like an entitlement complex to me. They want everything to be free of charge with no strings or accountability attached. A free lunch is just a myth.

ETA
You're from the UK. You know all about subsidized college and entitlements. Disregard my comments. How is that working out for you? Oh yeah the govt can't afford it any longer and spiked tuitions. Hence the rioting

reply to post by jibeho


It worked out pretty well for Fannie, Freddie and all their Banker friends.

Originally posted by jibeho
reply to post by robhines

 

Is a free college education a basic human right? That's on the agenda of the Occupy movement. They also want their student loan debt ERASED. Really! Sounds like an entitlement complex to me. They want everything to be free of charge with no strings or accountability attached. A free lunch is just a myth.

ETA
You're from the UK. You know all about subsidized college and entitlements. Disregard my comments. How is that working out for you? Oh yeah the govt can't afford it any longer and spiked tuitions. Hence the rioting

edit on 23-3-2012 by jibeho because: (no reason given)

I know there's other issues, and I'm not pretending I'm some Occupy expert either, but I was meaning we should be entitled to a system that isn't so imbalanced towards such a small percentage of rich people and corporations, who then interfere with the way governments are run. It should be a human right that we're not manipulated in that way, and if it isn't the case we shouldn't stop trying to make it the case until it happens.

Oh and as for UK tuition fees, I'm not so up on that either, but I do know that when you raise the price of a certain fee, tripling it isn't exactly the most intelligent way to go about it. Especially when you're spending so much at the same time bailing corrupt banks out and allowing corporations to dodge taxes.

But of course, many people (and some bought and paid for.) avoid all that stuff and concentrate on other issues, because they can't really tarnish them that way.

Hence, someone from Occupy dumping crap = all Occupy are filthy smelly crapdumpers who don't care about society, etc. Tarnish them all with the same brush and avoid the main issues of why our system is and will without a doubt not be able to sustain itself like it is doing because it's utterly broken due to corruption.

Originally posted by jibeho

Originally posted by Kali74
reply to post by jibeho

 

The Student Loan angle is supposed to be one of the focuses of the new Occupy Spring movement.

According to who and what new Occupy Spring movement, how can it be new when it never went away? The issue of student loans has always been PART of the movement...where do you get your info from?

According to your fellow occupiers

Occupy Wall Street Spreads To Colleges With Protests Against Student Debt
occupycolleges.org...


Do these organizers speak for the majority of our nation? Do you think the majority of this country wants to collapse capitalism? They do! According to them we democracy can't exist along with capitalism. Interesting angle! Not!

Great video all in the words of the Occupy Organizers. Who do they really represent
townhall.com...

edit on 22-3-2012 by jibeho because: (no reason given)

This country gave up on free markets and capitalism a long time ago. Democracy does not work with this "version" of capitalism. As a matter of fact, this isn't a democracy anymore either, we lost that to. If the people of this nation truly had the power to let their voice be heard there would be no resistance to let it be heard. If this was a democracy our delegates and representatives would actually respond to our demands, not ignore them. The only way to take back the country that is (was) ours is to physically stand up and let it be known that this government does not speak for the people of this nation anymore. There's a reason that congress has an approval rating of 10%, and there is a reason why discontent for this country's political system only deepens. Our government does not serve us. Our government serves the corporation. This is why the Occupy Movement exists, to show that America and its voice still exists.

It seems that people tend to get hung up on what the movement demands. It isn't about wiping away debt, or the right to free healthcare or education. It isn't about securing our personal freedoms or identities. It isn't about social rights, or gender rights, or religious rights, or marriage rights. If these demands were met we would move closer to an overall solution – an answer – but these aren't what the movement is about.

This movement is hinged upon the foundations of democracy at its very core. The idea that everyone has a voice to be heard. That everyone has the freedom to act and express themselves how they see fit. Certainly everyone in this country, let alone the world, has trialed and toiled and walked through the fire. Everyone has paid their dues, some more than others. I ask you though, could this world not be a better place? Must we walk the coals? I would not want to bring up a child in these times. I would not want him or her to see this so called "freedom" that we have. I want to make this world a better place. I want to live in a world that makes sense. What is the point of accepting mediocrity? Why do we not seek greatness?

People have relegated themselves to believe that this world and this country "is what it is". Well, I am sorry, but I do not agree with such a sheepish mantra. This world is what we make it. I am not comfortable letting someone force feed me what to believe and accept. Not anymore. I want a world that reflects value. I want a world that spurns creativity and inspires and motivates positive and forward thinking. I believe in America. I want what is best for America. I want what is best for the world. The world does not need war or weapons. So what is the obsession? Invest in education and innovation and invention. Invest in the minds of our youth. Invest in ideas that promote positive growth and not destruction and death. Why should we reward the weapons manufacturer who develops a bomb that increases the typical blast radius by tenfold? Why should we overlook the researcher who develops a way to make solar panels more efficient by tenfold? It isn't right. Our priorities are clearly wrong. War and violence does not make us or anyone better off. We deserve to live in the world that we ought to live in. We deserve to live in a world that is nothing but great.

reply to post by Resonant

There's a reason that congress has an approval rating of 10%, and there is a reason why discontent for this country's political system only deepens. Our government does not serve us. Our government serves the corporation. This is why the Occupy Movement exists, to show that America and its voice still exists.

I understand the face of that argument. However, the govt currently provides for an ever increasing population who have become absolutely dependent on the Govt. for nearly every aspect of their existence. Then there is the nearly 50% of the population who pays no federal tax liability and that number continues to grow..

The demand list for the Occupy movement is literally endless for a reason because they have no plans to stop until we reach collapse. There is no satisfying them and much of what they want can only come from the govt. and if they get what they want, they will just continue to ask for more. It's all in those videos.

As for the voice of America, these occupy clowns do NOT speak for the majority nor do they represent the majority. I've seen enough coverage of rallies from all sections of this country to know that they certainly do not represent me.

When you have Francis Fox Piven uttering comments at the Left Forum of 2012 like this

"The Occupy Movement is made up of “All parts of the Left.”
That includes proudly: “Democrats, Socialists, Communists, Anarchists.”
Must all work together because of the “Huge task of transforming America and the world.”
“We are all together”"

They clearly do not represent me or the majority. Funny, I don't see the words republican, conservative, moderate, independent mentioned in her rant.

Transforming America and the World!! Really?
www.theblaze.com...

There is no way that somebody could be identified by that surveillance cam video shown on the daily caller.

Even less so any connections to any organisation. Just saying.

Documents show NYPD infiltrated liberal groups
news.yahoo.com...

"Occupy Wall Street-type protesters mostly are engaged in constitutionally protected activity," department officials wrote in documents obtained under the Freedom of Information Act by the website Gawker. "We maintain our longstanding position that DHS should not report on activities when the basis for reporting is political speech."

At the NYPD, the monitoring was carried out by the Intelligence Division, a squad that operates with nearly no outside oversight and is so secretive that police said even its organizational chart is too sensitive to publish. The division has been the subject of a series of Associated Press articles that illustrated how the NYPD monitored Muslim neighborhoods, catalogued people who prayed at mosques and eavesdropped on sermons.

Sabotage and plants are suddenly very apparent. I don't know if the protesters caught dumping fecal matter were plants but one thing we can all agree on is that cases like these are a PR nightmare that play right into the hands of those wishing to discredit and alienate the OWS movement. These are tactics used by authoritarian regimes, not democratic and liberated free societies. Is there any question now that the illusion of freedom and power given to the people through the constitution is just a front to keep them in line? What good is a piece of paper (or hemp) if what is written within does not apply when most needed?

reply to post by Chewingonmushrooms


Police departments across the world have been infiltrating fringe political groups, the criminal underworld, drug rings, prostitution enterprises etc for generations. It's how they collect intel and make arrests if warranted. All it takes is a couple of violent actions to get the police or the FBI interested in a movement or group. They've learned from history.

Thank Bill Ayers and his terrorist Weather Underground for that. Their domestic bombing campaign changed the way the FBI operated forever. We all know that radical fringe groups have been attaching themselves to this Occupy movement since the beginning and will continue to do so until the end is reached. The cops know that and they will be prepared for that. Rotten apples will ALWAYS spoil the bunch regardless of your political leanings. The exist on both sides.

Actions like this depicted in the OP are just snapshots of a myriad of odd and illegal actions taken since this movement launched. Now, its vandalizing public spaces, defacing memorial statues, fecal bombs, ... What's next? The calls are out from all sides of this unorganized movement to ratchet up the effort this Spring and Summer. Be prepared for anything especially with "May Day" looming so near. May 1st is the first call for a General Strike nationwide...

You want to know what is planned go to the source.
www.occupymay1st.org...

They've got every cause covered under a giant Occupy Umbrella.

reply to post by jibeho


"Thank Bill Ayers and his terrorist Weather Underground for that"

They done it to the communists and black panthers before that. You are right about thr fringe part, because anything viewed outside of the ordinary is something that they view as suspicious. Just because you can trace back these tactics by law enforcement doesn't mean that their action are justified.

reply to post by jibeho


The system is broken in all facets. One part of the system is more or less forced to dole out handouts because minimum wage does not provide the means to raise a family, and if you cannot find a job because you aren't qualified or no one is hiring, which is the common case right now, especially in terms of the American youth because they have no experience. On the other end you have kickbacks and exemptions and special dispensations where people who have wealth are not paying taxes. So, if no one is supporting the system and it's only being taken from, where does that leave us?

In regards to the words spoken by Frances Fox Piven, he was speaking at the Left Forum, so clearly he is going to speak to his audience. Just because one person says that those in the movement must subscribe to the following ideologies does not mean that they speak for the entire movement. I am a registered Republican and did not vote for Barack Obama in the last election, but I fully support the Occupy Movement, because they speak to me far more than any of my fellow Republican representatives and political leaders.

You are right, it will not stop until that occurs, or the entire country miraculously does an about, face. This isn't a union strike over wages or an anti-war rally, it's bigger than that. I think a lot of people are afraid of what this movement is doing, not that the ideas are wrong, but that it significantly change our way of life as a society. It is scary, especially when you have a family and children and career you've had for years, and you're comfortable, for now. Those involved with this movement are mostly youth and strikingly a lot of retirees. Why? Because, relatively speaking, they have less to lose. The only thing they have to worry about is their future and not so much right now. For me, from what I've seen and where I feel things are going with this government and with this country, the future is very, very bleak. Every day I read harrowing news of bills being passed that take away my freedoms. Every month I see the value of my investments going down and down with every statement that I get. Apparently, these people are professionals, but they do nothing but destroy. Personally, I've had enough.

reply to post by Resonant


Well said! Times are changing and people are starting to pool together and discuss the future with optimism. This movement and others like it are just a start to whats to come and one thing that I do know for sure is that true change is on the horizon and there is nothing that the elite can do about it.

People are waking up to this con game, and are starting to realize just how hollow this supposed democracy is. True democracy comes from the proactive and we have been far to lazy to keep check and apply our responsibilities. Conservatives seem to be the most vocal against movements like these because what they see are a bunch of spoiled brats demanding changes that they do not agree on. I disagree, this isn't about liberal views and what not but rather something that is larger than the whole left/right muckfest.

This is about what is right FOR ALL. This is about having a say in our affairs. This is about true freedom and liberty. This is about rejecting false comfort of materialism and consumerism. This is about not allowing politicians to use our name to murder, steal and to screw the future of our children. This is FIRST AND FOREMOST about power that comes from the people and not big corporations, big government and systems used against us that are outdated.

Once people realize that our savior isn't going to come from congress or some president spewing empty rhetoric, the savior is us and until with stand up and let them know who's in real power nothing will change.

reply to post by Resonant

In regards to the words spoken by Frances Fox Piven, he was speaking at the Left Forum, so clearly he is going to speak to his audience.

Just for the record "he" is actually a "She" and was actually married to Richard Cloward. Hence the now famous Cloward/Piven strategy for radical leftists.

The Cloward–Piven strategy is a political strategy outlined in 1966 by American sociologists and political activists Richard Cloward (1926–2001) and Frances Fox Piven (b. 1932) that called for overloading the U.S. public welfare system in order to precipitate a crisis that would lead to a replacement of the welfare system with a national system of "a guaranteed annual income and thus an end to poverty". Cloward and Piven were a married couple who were both professors at the Columbia University School of Social Work. The strategy was formulated in a May 1966 article in left-wing[1] magazine The Nation titled "The Weight of the Poor: A Strategy to End Poverty".[2]

en.wikipedia.org...

She is a hero for the movement.

reply to post by Chewingonmushrooms

Once people realize that our savior isn't going to come from congress or some president spewing empty rhetoric, the savior is us and until with stand up and let them know who's in real power nothing will change.

The upset in the 2010 midterm elections and the election of new Tea Party Freshman to Congress is proof that we can influence the system and in also influence congress. I completely agree with you in regards to the crappy system that has been created in DC. Therefore, we need representatives from both sides with new perspectives who can actually change things. Now is the perfect time to amend the constitution to enact strict term limits in the Senate and in the House. No more than two terms split or consecutive. That change alone would do wonders for Congress and how it operates. Congressmen and women should not be getting rich off of their lifelong careers as public servants. Not good.

That's our system and no amount of civil unrest from the occupy movement is going to change it. In fact, it will just get worse via an increased clampdown and resistance. We are already seeing some new laws as a result of last years "gatherings" and more to come. The officials in Chicago are just waiting to flex their new muscle this May with the convergence of May Day and the NATO summit looming in their fair city run by "Don" Emmanuel.

Originally posted by jibeho
reply to post by Chewingonmushrooms

 

Once people realize that our savior isn't going to come from congress or some president spewing empty rhetoric, the savior is us and until with stand up and let them know who's in real power nothing will change.

The upset in the 2010 midterm elections and the election of new Tea Party Freshman to Congress is proof that we can influence the system and in also influence congress. I completely agree with you in regards to the crappy system that has been created in DC. Therefore, we need representatives from both sides with new perspectives who can actually change things. Now is the perfect time to amend the constitution to enact strict term limits in the Senate and in the House. No more than two terms split or consecutive. That change alone would do wonders for Congress and how it operates. Congressmen and women should not be getting rich off of their lifelong careers as public servants. Not good.

That's our system and no amount of civil unrest from the occupy movement is going to change it. In fact, it will just get worse via an increased clampdown and resistance. We are already seeing some new laws as a result of last years "gatherings" and more to come. The officials in Chicago are just waiting to flex their new muscle this May with the convergence of May Day and the NATO summit looming in their fair city run by "Don" Emmanuel.

I agree those are important steps, along with changing monetary policy, the ending of the FED and a complete revamp of campaign finance laws. See we don't always have to disagree

reply to post by jibeho


Sorry to keep using the same analogy but...what you are saying essentially we should know our place, that like a woman who is with an abusive man that she better not provoke by asking a question at the wrong time, she better fall in line otherwise if she's hit it's her fault.

I say no, I will not submit.

Originally posted by Kali74
reply to post by jibeho

 

Sorry to keep using the same analogy but...what you are saying essentially we should know our place, that like a woman who is with an abusive man that she better not provoke by asking a question at the wrong time, she better fall in line otherwise if she's hit it's her fault.

I say no, I will not submit.

I'm not saying that at all. I'm saying that if properly done, the system can be changed and influenced from within using the means currently established. The Occupy Panacea movement is not interested in that because the list of causes and demands is forever changing and evolving to a point where no agreement or achievement will ever be reached. They don't want it to end until we reach collapse. Collapse is not a good place to be in. Look at what's happening in Egypt right now. Collapse creates a dangerous power vacuum and only those with the means can stop it. Again look at Egypt and soon Libya. Syria is next... If that vacuum occurs in the US, rest assured that the avg. Joe in the occupy movement will not stop it. Look to those who are currently manipulating the movement for their own gain.