Tom Woods 26 Things Non-Paul Voters Are Saying.

I never heard of this guy before tonight but he seems like a pretty smart guy: Here is some back ground..

Thomas E. Woods, Jr., is the New York Times bestselling author of 11 books. A senior fellow of the Ludwig von Mises Institute, Woods holds a bachelor's degree in history from Harvard and his master's, M.Phil., and Ph.D. from Columbia University.

Seems like a pretty sharp guy and sums up pretty much everything I have thought about when I hear other people say they are supporting Obama, Romney, Santorum or Newt.

This is only my second post here so I'm not super sharp on all the rules so I will not quote the whole page you can read it here : www.tomwoods.com...
If it is against the TOS of this site to link that "blog" please remove the link..

Well here is the meat of it : These are the 26 Things Non-Paul Voters Are Saying...

(1) The American political establishment has done a super job keeping our country prosperous and our liberties protected, so I’m sure whatever candidate they push on me is probably a good one.

(2) Our country is basically bankrupt. Unfunded entitlement liabilities are in excess of twice world GDP. Therefore, it’s a good idea to vote for someone who offers no specific spending cuts of any kind.

(3) Vague promises to cut spending are good enough for me, even though they have always resulted in higher spending in the past.

(4) I prefer a candidate who plays to the crowd, instead of having the courage to tell his audience things they may not want to hear.

(5) I am deeply concerned about spending. Therefore, I would like to vote for someone who supported Medicare Part D, thereby adding $7 trillion to Medicare’s unfunded liabilities.

(6) I am opposed to bailouts. Therefore, I will vote for a candidate who supported TARP.

(7) The federal government is much too involved in education, where it has no constitutional role. Therefore, I will vote for a candidate who supported expanding the Department of Education and favored the No Child Left Behind Act.

(8) Even though practically everyone was caught by surprise in the 2008 financial crisis, which we are still reeling from, it’s a good idea not to vote for the one man in politics who predicted exactly what was bound to unfold, all the way back in 2001.

(9) I am not impressed by a candidate who inspires people, especially young ones, to read the great economists and political philosophers.

(10) I am concerned about taxes. Therefore, I will not vote for the one candidate who has never supported a tax increase.

(11) I believe it is conservative to support bringing the Enlightenment to Afghanistan via military intervention.

(12) Even though I lost half my retirement portfolio when the economy crashed from the sugar high the Federal Reserve’s artificially low interest rates put it on, I would like to vote for someone who is not really interested in the Federal Reserve.

(13) Even though 50 years of the embargo on Cuba did nothing to undermine Fidel Castro, and in fact handed him a perfect excuse for all the failures of socialism, I favor continuing this policy.

(14) If someone has a drug problem, prison rape is the best solution I can think of.

(15) Even though the Constitution had to be amended to allow for alcohol prohibition, and even though I claim to care about the Constitution, I don’t mind that there’s no constitutional authorization for the war on drugs, and I will punish at the polls anyone who favors the constitutional solution of returning the issue to the states.

(16) I believe only a “liberal” would think it was inhumane to keep essential items out of Iraq in the 1990s, even though one of the first people to protest this policy was Pat Buchanan.

(17) The Brookings Institution says Newt Gingrich’s 1994 Contract with America was an insignificant nibbling around the edges. I favor people who support insignificant nibbling around the edges, as long as they occasionally trick me with a nice speech.

(18) I am deeply concerned about radical Islam, so it was a good idea to depose the secular Saddam Hussein — who was so despised by Islamists that Osama bin Laden himself offered to fight against him in the 1991 Persian Gulf War — and replace him with a Shiite regime friendly with Iran, while also bringing about a new Iraqi constitution that makes Islam the state religion and forbids any law that contradicts its teachings.

(19) Indefinite detention for U.S. citizens seems like nothing to be worried about, especially since our political class is so trustworthy that it could never abuse such a power.

(20) Following up on (19), I believe Thomas Jefferson was just being paranoid when he said, “In questions of power, then, let no more be heard of confidence in man, but bind him down from mischief by the chains of the Constitution.”

(21) Even though the war in Iraq was based on crude propaganda I would have laughed at if the Soviet Union had peddled it, and even though the result has been hundreds of thousands of dead Iraqis, four million people displaced, trillions of dollars down the drain, tens of thousands of serious injuries among American servicemen and an epidemic of suicide throughout the military, not to mention the ruination of America’s reputation in the world, I see no reason to be skeptical when the same people who peddled that fiasco urge me to support yet another war as my country is going bankrupt.

(22) I do not trust the media. But when the media tells me I am not to support Ron Paul, who says things he is not allowed to say, I will comply.

(23) I know the media will smear or marginalize anyone who would really fix this country. But when the media smears and marginalizes Ron Paul, I will draw no conclusion from this.

(24) I want to be spoken to like this: “My fellow Americans, you are the awesomest of the awesome, and the only reason anyone in the world might be unhappy with your government is because of your sheer awesomeness.”

(25) I think it’s a good idea to vote for Mitt Romney, whose top three donors are Goldman Sachs, Credit Suisse, and Morgan Stanley, and a bad idea to vote for Ron Paul, whose top three donors are the U.S. Army, the U.S. Navy, and the U.S. Air Force.

(26) I have not been exploited enough by the cozy relationship between large financial firms and the U.S. government, and I would like to see it continue.

He sums it up pretty good, He even has some video's that refute the whole "He will get rid of minmum wage and my kids will work for 30 cents a day." nonsense..Actually he has quite a few great vidieos I would post there here in this thread but I cant seem to get that to work =/

Anyways tell me what you think, because it makes no sense to me how someone can vote for the status quo which is any other cadidate.

That was great! s+F ... I need to get some copies of the list made and post them around

Awesome find and a great beginning presentation. Welcome to the ATS school.

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Hope this works if not I will delete this post:

Here is a 25 minute video of him talking about most of the major misconceptions people have about Dr. Paul.

This is a Quote from his Blog about the below video, (like I said he has a lot more---good ones !!)

Some people are saying, “I oppose Ron Paul for different reasons. Why, he’ll force little kids to work in mines for 30 cents a day, he’ll destroy the environment, he’ll fire many of our selfless public servants, he believes in ‘deregulation,’” etc. Or, on the right, I hear, “He’s great on domestic policy, but he should be more pro-war.” Want replies to those? They’re right here:

I sent him a little letter asking if he ever thought of running for President. If we are un-lucky enough to get Obama again and if we are not in Fema camps this guy or a combo of Rand Paul and him would be awesome..To be honest though I fear we are being set up by the vote fraud and weak Republican showing (other than Dr. Paul) for a Obama second term ... Then we would end up with Jeb Bush in 2016 as "planned" thats why he is not endorsing anyone, he wants the puppet Obama in again..

reply to post by WhereAreTheGoodguys


This is a perfect thread to show just how utterly stupid anyone is that knows about these candidates, and still votes for the likes of Mittens, or Newt, or the Hairy fecal matter.

I'm sorry, i'm done making excuses for these people.

You're a freaking DIM WIT if you don't think Dr.Paul would be good for this country, and be the one that actually tries to do what he's talking about. Oh and what he's talking about actually makes sense and isn't full of flip-flopping, outright lies.

Anyone can tell me why i'm wrong till they're blue in the face, and all the complicated reasons why RP wouldn't "work". But it's very simple to me, he's the most honest, the most consistent, the most BOLD, and doesn't just say what he thinks you want to hear.

So either you can choose more of the SAME, or you can make a DIFFERENCE.

Simple.

GUHBYE

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Just that one video I posted above (just one of his videos, he has a lot more) demolishes pretty much every other arguement they would have. I really am in awe of how well this guy lays it out. He says everything I think and more .. a ton more. All the things I just can not put in to words when the times come up.. he lays it out nice and smooth.

our nation needs Ron Paul badly.

Wow I'm about to leave for vacation, and not many replies. I thought this was good stuff =)
Not sure how much I will be checking this stuff, I was honestly wanting to hear from some of the regular non-Paul people that swarm this place.. Oh well it will give me something to hope for when I get back =)

On a side note I wish I was close enough to CPAC protest it today. Not even inviting Ron Paul is a joke the Republican party is digging its own grave they are going to fall apart : Whats that old saying "Cut off your nose to spite your face" ?? I mean all the young people (not saying I'm young) are in his movement they are really shooting their selfs in the foot on this.

Originally posted by WhereAreTheGoodguys
I never heard of this guy before tonight but he seems like a pretty smart guy...

I suggest you listen/watch his lectures. He's one of the best speakers and presenters of American history and economics today. I've had the pleasure of meeting and talking with him in person. The man is sharp. Especially read/listen/watch his lessons on the Great Depression, the New Deal, the Industrial Revolution, the Constitution, labor unions, welfare.
mises.org...

Rollback and Meltdown are also must-read books.

Last night of my anniversary vacation with my wife in south lake Tahoe and I cannot find this thread anywhere on the main page of the forum I posted in and its kinda sad. This was a gift to all the Dr. PAUL haters, a chance for you all to attempt an honest rebuttal on any of his stances, but you all failed

My guess is you can't. I dare any of you. Looks like with all the subversion going on you will not have to prove your lies as fail. Mitt might squeak it out and Obama will win, just what everyone of you wants, more of the same, and it breaks my heart to be honest. I pray for you all I pray for everyone.

When the time does come though I will try to not say I told you so I will fight for all of us, our freedom and our future. I hold no ill will, I was once like you.


PS. This off my cell. Kinda hard to express my self on it.

I have known of Thomas Woods for a while now. He is quite popular in Paleoconservative internet circles. Paleoconservatives, just so everyone is clear, are not Libertarian. We are a rather loose alliance of anti-Neoconservative right-wing people, who criticize the Bush-Kristol-FOX alliance for their love of war, big business, and failure to tackle civilizational cultural issues while demagoging of abortion, gay marriage, etc…

Actually I think Mr. Woods explained it quite well:

The conservative’s traditional sympathy for the American South and its people and heritage, evident in the works of such great American conservatives as Richard M. Weaver and Russell Kirk, began to disappear.... [T]he neocons are heavily influenced by Woodrow Wilson, with perhaps a hint of Theodore Roosevelt.... They believe in an aggressive U.S. presence practically everywhere, and in the spread of democracy around the world, by force if necessary.... Neoconservatives tend to want more efficient government agencies; paleoconservatives want fewer government agencies. They generally admire President Franklin Delano Roosevelt and his heavily interventionist New Deal policies. Neoconservatives have not exactly been known for their budget consciousness, and you won’t hear them talking about making any serious inroads into the federal apparatus.

Source

This has all the flavor of one of those Internet "glurges" where Lassie rescues Timmy after Timmy falls into evil ways and Lassie drags him out of the La Brea Tar Pits into the shiny sparkly Path of Rightness.

I've voted for Obama. I'm voting for him again. I think that the dialogue Mr. Woods is having is with a strawman and he has no insight on the real reasons people aren't voting for Ron Paul.

I'm not voting for him because I'm a liberal and a feminist and a Democrat. And here, specifically, is WHY I'm not voting for him.

* He thinks Medicare is unconstitutional. I think he's never been poor and had to choose between medicine for a handicapped spouse and food. (I have. Thank you, Medicare. And don't bother telling me about the "states" help, unless you want a really long and profanity-laced response)
* He's introduced four bills saying "life begins at conception" designed to eliminate abortions. He recently waffled from that stance to "life begins when the hormone tests say you're pregnant" to allow him to say the "morning after pill" is okay.
* He doesn't learn from history. Bryan's "Cross of Gold" speech was the turning point for the metal standard.. It failed before. In today's economy it would fail even faster.
* He thinks that big business (a cement plant) has the right to pollute as they wish and that the EPA should be done with. He has conveniently forgotten the "Killer smog" of London in the 1960's. I invite him to go live on the rivers of Vietnam (where they have no pollution controls) and India. Meanwhile, I want pollution standards, and I want stronger ones.
* He opposes the federal ownership of public lands (goodbye national park system. I suppose we'll have Disney buying up Yellowstone and Grand Canyon if he gets his way.) Goodbye protected wetlands. He hasn't a clue about how the environment works -- AND (more shamefully for a physician) he's been a politician for so long that he has forgotten what "evidence based medicine" means.
* He thinks it's wrong to force businesses to serve everyone -- so he'd be fine with the return of "whites only" drinking fountains and "no gays" businesses and "no Irish" hospitals (these things happened, folks. They really did.)
* He's part of the gang that has voted against social programs that I've used and others have used. He's forgotten the kids starving on the streets in the 40's and (as a wealthy physician) never noticed how bad things were for seniors beore Medicare (yes, I heard his statement during that debate and couldn't believe he'd say that. Then I realized the man and his family always had military medical plans and as a physician he was and is very wealthy and that he has no clue how bad things were for my grandmother and aunts before Medicare (two died from cancer because no one could afford the treatments or medicine or even pain killers.))

Mr. Woods' arguments look effective because he's arguing with his straw man and he frames his understanding incorrectly. He should talk to the folks who really don't want Paul and he'd see a rather different perspective.

And both of them need to read up on history. Not the parts where the rich white guys and successful military officers went gloriously off to war and came back to set up successful businesses. They need to read the other parts.

reply to post by Indellkoffer


Nice intro to your post. It made you seem super cool and super smart. I might say your's has the flavor of the poor little ol me stories we hear from die hard liberals. You should shoot a comercial for Obama.

You see we all go through hard times. My mother died when I was younger. She needed a heart transplant Medicare did not save her. She died in the bathroom my little sister woke up one morning and found her there.

Medicare at best strung her out with a laundry list of medication that mades things worse, or hard to manage at best. I came from a very poor family both parents had one or the other (or both) drug and alcohol problems.

We worked thorugh it though my Father has been clean 30 years now works for a County as a Drug and Alcohol rehab director. I started working at 12 (paper rotue) got a work permit at 15 (fastfood) and am now a Systems Field Engineer for the 2nd largest communications company in the USA. I have a wife and family of 3 children. Everything I have I earned through working my ass off.

I am not super smart like you I'm more of a emotional person I guess you can say but I will share with what I do know and will try not to pull any straw man yadda yadda things you internet people say.

**Medicare- To my knowlege Dr. Pauls stance on it does not mean its going away day one if he got elected.. You should know (if what you said was true) as I DO know first hand its a red tape joke that on the back end is a bureaucractic nightmare.

He knows that things ran at the Fedreal level are full of Waste and Corruption he just wants stuff like this to be ran by either the individual via personal accounts or at a State or Local level. Lets not foreget we are trying to cut spending here lets get the FEDERAL goverment out of things it is not meant to do, the progams can still be there but they do not need to control them.

**Abortion- Your attempt to smear him as a flip flopper on Life at Conception was pretty fail. All he said after relentless prodding by Piers Morgan about this subject was " If I was a Doctor in a EMERGENCY room and some woman came and an said she was raped I would possibly give her a ESTROGEN SHOT" (not a direct quote) so again not very nice on your part ..

And to be honest about abortions gay rights and all that IT SHOULD BE A NON ISSUE. Only people who want to CONFUSE, DIVIDE and DRAW ATTENTION AWAY from real problems use that. All of those subjects should not ever be brought up in a Presidential Election. I have Gay family members 4 to be exact and they all feel the same way. Yes they want rights WE ALL DO..

**Pollution--You are so far off here I think you might just be making things up... If you ever really listened to him on this exact issue you would know that is a fantasy you put out. It would be the tolal opposite due to PROPERTY RIGHTS. Example if you own a Business you can not Pollute on your neighbor due to his rights. So in essence there would be less polution. It would be on the Business to figure out a way to move or make things right somehow..

**Businesses Serving Everyone-- Listen he is for individual rights and property rights.. Do you think if your local McDonalds stopped letting in Jews or Arabs it would last long at all ? No because we are better than that, you are better than that, the pressure on those Businesses would be so intense this day and age they would be out of business before they got the signs down.

If anything it would be doing us all a favor by letting the Assholes of the Country put a big target on themselves and we would take our money elsewhere.. Free Markets, Free Choice..

**Fedreal Land---All I can say on this is yes get the Feds out of land here in California and let our State run it. And honestly do you really think something like this is high on the priortity list ? Get the Corruption and Red tape out of our States resources.. Hell Bush/Clinton/Obama already gave up Federal land for Natural Gas exploration to private companies owned by their buddies. Let the States and the State Voters decide.

Mr. Woods arguments not only look effective but they are effective. He is just taking some of the stances the Anti Ron Paul people always seem to come up with and DESTROYS them..

I'm very sorry you want to vote for Obama again. You want to keep this direction our country is going and honestly its sad. If you can tell me with truth in your heart this Goverment is not Corrupt and does not need a total overhaul ... then so be it I respect your opinion.. I do not want this for my children thats for sure... Im not even going to go into the Wars, Patriots Act, NDAA and Assinations of American Citizens..

Originally posted by WhereAreTheGoodguys
reply to post by Indellkoffer

 

Nice intro to your post. It made you seem super cool and super smart. I might say your's has the flavor of the poor little ol me stories we hear from die hard liberals.

Yes, I believe I did say I was a liberal.

My mother died when I was younger. She needed a heart transplant Medicare did not save her.

I'm so sorry to read this. It sounds devastating and the strides you made from a bad beginning are remarkable. Kudos to you.

my Father has been clean 30 years now works for a County as a Drug and Alcohol rehab director.

...which is a state government position, funded in part by the national government -- programs that the conservatives would like to take away because they smack of socialism to the conservatives.

**Medicare- To my knowlege Dr. Pauls stance on it does not mean its going away day one if he got elected.

Here's a link to a video where he tells an intereviewer he will work to end Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security because they're unconstitutional.

He knows that things ran at the Fedreal level are full of Waste and Corruption he just wants stuff like this to be ran by either the individual via personal accounts or at a State or Local level.

Imagine your family (and the cost of the medical bills) without these programs. How much would any of you have had in your retirement fund by now?

**Abortion- Your attempt to smear him as a flip flopper on Life at Conception was pretty fail..

Again, I quoted him directly (and can link to it) where he said that as long as there was no biological proof of pregnancy the "morning after" pill was okay. He was not for it when he initiated and cosponsored four failed bills saying that "life begins at fertilization". Wikipedia link to Ron Paul's bill

And to be honest about abortions gay rights and all that IT SHOULD BE A NON ISSUE.

He cosponsored HR875. Your gay family members may not like this one.

**Pollution--You are so far off here I think you might just be making things up...

Paul voted for an amendment to prohibit government funds to "implement, administer or enforce" national standards or cement plants. He also cosponsored H.R. 97, which says industries can't be forced to meet EPA standards

**Businesses Serving Everyone-- Listen he is for individual rights and property rights.. Do you think if your local McDonalds stopped letting in Jews or Arabs it would last long at all ?.

You might be surprised...
And did you look at the "property rights" bills he sponsored?

**Fedreal Land---All I can say on this is yes get the Feds out of land here in California and let our State run it.

They don't have the budget for it. Seriously.

And honestly do you really think something like this is high on the priortity list ?

Not on your list but it is on MY list. I'm an eco-educator for our local museum. I see how states and cities struggle to keep these places running and safe.

He is just taking some of the stances the Anti Ron Paul people always seem to come up with and DESTROYS them.

No, he doesn't. That was my point. He picks easy targets instead of finding out the real issues.

I'm very sorry you want to vote for Obama again.

I don't like that he's had to cave in to the Republicans several times, but I give him credit for what he's done.

You want to keep this direction our country is going..

Right. Troops coming home. Money for returning soldiers to be trained and have new jobs, money for environment, money for social programs. Yes.

If you can tell me with truth in your heart this Goverment is not Corrupt and does not need a total overhaul ... then so be it I respect your opinion..

Oh, I think there's corruption and waste and so forth there, but FAR less than the governments of Mexico, Somalia, Syria -- and even Russia. You should look at what's happening in the rest of the world. I've been to some of these places. I don't think the average American understands what corruption looks like.

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Ok here we go again, First off only link in your post that worked was the Wiki one. So here we go--

Medicaid/Social Security--

"Dr. Paul is committed to fully funding Social Security and Medicare while we work a transition to allow young workers the freedom to save for their own retirement," Jesse Benton, the national chairman of Paul's presidential campaign, told Yahoo News.

All he is saying is he wants to give younger people choices and companies can then compete for our dollar. I dont see how you keep going down the negative biased road that has been proven false a thousand times.

Abortions--

Like I said on a personal note these are non issues that should be decided on a state level. They just keep comming up because it's an effective way to divide people. Hell people in the same family might have differing views it should not be something the Federal Goverment gets involved in..

Now onto what you stated about quoting him. Yes you are right he does say his view is "life begins at fertilization"... And he has not swayed on that.. But in a interview with Piers Morgan he got drilled on it and was basicly forced to answer some "What Ifs" And yes he did state that if a Woman came into an Emergency Room and said she was RAPED he would consider giving her a ESTROGEN shot, if he was the Doctor on site... Hardly the morning after..

Gay Rights-

This falls in like above the Federal Goverment should have no opinion or view on this..Their ONLY concern is if INDIVIDUAL RIGTHS are being Violated.. It does not matter what race/religion/sex/gender or any mix of them are.. You keep bringing it up because its divides people

H.R. 97--

Yes he voted against more goverment buracracy, Shocker.. We already have laws in place to address this. Let me guess you are for a Carbon Tax ??

Property Rights--

Yes I read and listned to all he has had to say on this issue and I stand by what I said. If my local Grocery Store stopped letting in people of color it would be out of business before it got the signs down...

Federal Lands--

Not on your list but it is on MY list. I'm an eco-educator for our local museum

I did not mean my list , stuff like that is actually important to me and I would fight/vote to keep stuff like that free/safe/funded for all. I meant Dr. Pauls prioritys .. You act like day one he would take all that stuff away and it would be a footnote in history but you are wrong. This is not his priority.. hell maybe after cleaning up the corruption and waste in the goverment we could get stuff like this even more funding.

Just like Gay/Abortion issues you people just use this as a way to divide the vote to polarize the masses.

Obama--

He has done nothing. He has not kept any of his promise's. He is only now "attempting" to do stuff because he needs to get re-elected. He is responsible for signing more powers to the Patriot Act and for NDAA.. Those two are grounds for Treason. -Dont get me wrong Bush/Chenny/Rumsfeld are in the same boat.

Troops-

Does it bother you that the suicide rate on our troops are higher than any other time in history ? And the troops are not comming home they are being re-positioned...

To go back to the topic, "26 things Non-Paul Voters Are Saying"...

Originally posted by WhereAreTheGoodguys
Medicaid/Social Security--
(quote snipped)
All he is saying is he wants to give younger people choices and companies can then compete for our dollar.

Right. The reason it's NOT convincing to non-Paul voters is NOT what Woods says -- it's because we HAVE been down that route before. Medical emergencies and life situations wipe out savings like that. He's not proposing anything new. He's proposing to return you guys to the system where you will have to take financial responsibilities for all your older relatives. They aren't able to live indepently, and will need your help for food and rent and medicines. Company pensions simply didn't work -- as the `1930's proved

THIS is why they put Social Security in. THAT is why we don't want Paul's "solution."

Now onto what you stated about quoting him. Yes you are right he does say his view is "life begins at fertilization"... And he has not swayed on that.. But in a interview with Piers Morgan he got drilled on it and was basicly forced to answer some "What Ifs" And yes he did state that if a Woman came into an Emergency Room and said she was RAPED he would consider giving her a ESTROGEN shot, if he was the Doctor on site... Hardly the morning after..

Yup. If this was Rick Santorum, folks would be all over this.

In either case, liberal feminists like myself don't vote for politicians who sponsor Right To Life bills. Doesn't matter why (and I can understand his reasoning.) This is a "deal breaker."

This falls in like above the Federal Goverment should have no opinion or view on this..Their ONLY concern is if INDIVIDUAL RIGTHS are being Violated.. It does not matter what race/religion/sex/gender or any mix of them are.. You keep bringing it up because its divides people

Err... YOU brought it up. I just responded. However, his position on gay marriage is

. Instead, I plan to continue working to enact the Marriage Protection Act and protect each state's right not to be forced to recognize a same sex marriage."

"Marriage Protection Act"/Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA) -- imagine being legally married in one state and then ending up in a state where your marriage is not recognized and (as happened to a lesbian couple) having an accident where your spouse ends up in the hospital and you have no more say in their care than a friend or stranger does. Even though you're married in another state.

That's another reason why we're not voting for him. Not the artifical reasons presented by Tom Woods.

Yes he voted against more goverment buracracy, Shocker.. We already have laws in place to address this. Let me guess you are for a Carbon Tax ??

States have done a horrible job of regulating toxic waste and pollution. Oftentimes they'll just let it be the problem of the other guy. I lived in the same town as a brownfield remediation site and the city and state ignored complaints for 30 years. It took the EPA to make them clean it up.

Yes I read and listned to all he has had to say on this issue and I stand by what I said. If my local Grocery Store stopped letting in people of color it would be out of business before it got the signs down...

Perhaps your local grocery store, but in other areas this isn't true. There's a lot of exclusions that still go on in s

I meant Dr. Pauls prioritys .. You act like day one he would take all that stuff away and it would be a footnote in history but you are wrong. This is not his priority.. hell maybe after cleaning up the corruption and waste in the goverment we could get stuff like this even more funding.

Per Wikipedia:

The League of Conservation Voters gave Paul a pro-environment voting-record score of 6% for 2011, and 0% for 2009-2010. (The League considers a perfect score of 100% a measure of strong support for environmental protection.) Republicans for Environmental Protection (REP), whose scorecards rate only Republican lawmakers, gave Paul a score of only 5% for 2010, and 2% for 2009-2010, on a 0 - 100% scale in which a perfect score of 100% is considered by REP to be a measure of strong support for environmental protection. Republicans for Environmental Protection rated Paul "Worst in the House" on the environment of all Republican representatives in the 111th Congress (2009-2010).

And, of course, as with most environmentalists that "worst in the house" is an important reason why I'm not voting for him.

Obama--

His record was not mentioned by Woods. And you might want to check his promises and so forth on Polifact

reply to post by Indellkoffer


Looks like we are going to have to agree to dissagree.

You go ahead and keep voting for people that destroy our Constitution, while continuing the Neo Con Wars and I will keep trying to wake people up to the fact we are loosing more rights than any other time in histotry, peace is the answer not war, and we need revolutionary change.

Originally posted by Misoir
I have known of Thomas Woods for a while now. He is quite popular in Paleoconservative internet circles. Paleoconservatives, just so everyone is clear, are not Libertarian. We are a rather loose alliance of anti-Neoconservative right-wing people, who criticize the Bush-Kristol-FOX alliance for their love of war, big business, and failure to tackle civilizational cultural issues while demagoging of abortion, gay marriage, etc…

Actually I think Mr. Woods explained it quite well:

The conservative’s traditional sympathy for the American South and its people and heritage, evident in the works of such great American conservatives as Richard M. Weaver and Russell Kirk, began to disappear.... [T]he neocons are heavily influenced by Woodrow Wilson, with perhaps a hint of Theodore Roosevelt.... They believe in an aggressive U.S. presence practically everywhere, and in the spread of democracy around the world, by force if necessary.... Neoconservatives tend to want more efficient government agencies; paleoconservatives want fewer government agencies. They generally admire President Franklin Delano Roosevelt and his heavily interventionist New Deal policies. Neoconservatives have not exactly been known for their budget consciousness, and you won’t hear them talking about making any serious inroads into the federal apparatus.

Source

Loved that link thanks a bunch for posting it

Number one thing I hear and say is "Ron Paul is too old (and kooky)."

Originally posted by Carseller4
Number one thing I hear and say is "Ron Paul is too old (and kooky)."

edit on 13-2-2012 by Carseller4 because: (no reason given)

Ya I guess if you want a more constitutional goverment and to repeal things like the NDAA and Patriot Act. Then get back the value of our currency... I guess he is Kooky. There are a lot of Kooky people out there.. If this country does not re-direct it self you're going to see a ton more of us Kooks.