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Originally posted by jmdewey60
reply to post by lonewolf19792000
Preaching contrary to him makes you anti-christ./
Preaching against Jesus makes one anti-christ, while having a calm mature discussion of beliefs that just so happens to not be in conformity with your personal interpretation of the New Testament just means they have a different religion.edit on 12-1-2012 by jmdewey60 because: (no reason given)
How does this even make sense? No one has the answer but you somehow know that Mijamija's is wrong, and what, exactly is wrong with it?
I think that one thing that we must all understand is there is only one right answer and that is not your answer, my answer or any man’s answer. The answer comes from understanding scripture, and understanding scripture comes from within.
Originally posted by jmdewey60
reply to post by sacgamer25
How does this even make sense? No one has the answer but you somehow know that Mijamija's is wrong, and what, exactly is wrong with it?
I think that one thing that we must all understand is there is only one right answer and that is not your answer, my answer or any man’s answer. The answer comes from understanding scripture, and understanding scripture comes from within.
Mijamija said that people without loving parents have a tougher time of it in life. Are you going to claim that somehow your superiority of internal biblical knowledge contradicts that statement?
You know, it might be more helpful to explain how scripture says something different, instead of a high handed lecture on Mijamija's just being wrong and somehow of an inferior internal biblical understanding. I think you are going a bit overboard on you idolatry, meaning the worship of something which is the product of your imagination. Obviously what you are doing is wrong, so you need to abolish this concept of innate superiority and get onto the same level as everyone else and to actually reason things out instead of dressing people down for not having the same magical quality to their opinion as there is to your opinion.edit on 12-1-2012 by jmdewey60 because: (no reason given)
So what I am saying is that both of us may be right.
Originally posted by jmdewey60
reply to post by The Riley Family
I don't think that verse was ever intended to mean to come out of Christianity and it is meant to be understood in its context where the world is seducing Christians to forsake Christianity. Instead of leaving Christianity to join the sins of the world, leave the world to join the holiness of true Christianity.
Originally posted by The Riley Family
reply to post by sacgamer25
When people hate Christians they are not hating Christ. Nothing in the bible says you have to be a Christian to be saved. However Christianity itself as you have stated is full of deceit so to hate deceit is not actually hating Christ but rather a step in the right direction for he says "come out of her my children".
Originally posted by lonewolf19792000
reply to post by sacgamer25
This is what i believe. If a person will not respond to the love of Christ and how he gave himself so that all could be with him, you might as well stow the hellfire and damnation speech because if his love cannot reach their hearts, then fear will not touch them either. They do not believe because they have not been chosen. Not everyone is going to make it to the new heaven and new earth, it's a sad fact. Many will perish.
Originally posted by apsalmist
reply to lonewolf
They do not believe because they have not been chosen. A tenet of Christian theology. When Our Creator created humankind each creation was selected (elected) to either hear the word and freely choose to believe and, therefore, reap all the benefits of believing including pleasent eternal life or not selected so when hearing the word freely choose not to believe and, thereby, earn suffering including an unpleasent eternal life. I think we need to bring this awareness more fully to the fore as we continue this discussion.edit on 16-1-2012 by apsalmist because: It seems appropriate
No, that negates the free will covenant. What youre talking about is pre-destination and has been refuted a long time ago.
I think your raising as a child has a part to play in it, but also youre experiences as an adult that gets topped off with wether or not you have an open mind and are willing to knowingly embrace what you know people would ostracise you for and persecute you and as in ages passed, even be killed for believing.
People used to be killed for believing in God and Jesus. Sometimes i think there are folks out there that wish they could go back to killing us, i can tell by the way they abuse and hate us. Killing us is the next step. Hate is the "gate way drug", once you already hate...murder may very well become an option for you.
What i meant by being chosen is that Jesus knocks on everyone's door to their heart, but some cannot hear it and by their rejection they will not be chosen to inherit the kingdom. Some people are just hard hearted.
edit on 16-1-2012 by lonewolf19792000 because: (no reason given)extra DIV
Originally posted by lonewolf19792000
No, that negates the free will covenant. What youre talking about is pre-destination and has been refuted a long time ago.
3Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:
4According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
5Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,
6To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved.
Originally posted by novastrike81
Originally posted by lonewolf19792000
No, that negates the free will covenant. What youre talking about is pre-destination and has been refuted a long time ago.
Please, stop spreading lies. There are numerous references that point to predestination. One of them being Ephesians 1:3-6
3Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:
4According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
5Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,
6To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved.
It's in your Bible, I suggest you read it.
Originally posted by arpgme
reply to post by lonewolf19792000
Some Christians actually want this to happen. They are hoping for the world to end and for Jesus to return... Some of them are actually behind the scenes TRYING to make the end time prophecies happen.
Originally posted by lonewolf19792000
Cool, i forgot about that. Man that makes me glad i was chosen to hear it then
No where in the scriptures does it say to become a Christian for salvation. I don't see the world justifying the sins of Christianity only Christianity justifies its own sins, or at least thinks it does.
I would think if salvation is by lottery, then anything you do will make no difference, so I don't think your philosophy makes sense logically.
You are correct the bible does not say you have to be a Christian to be saved; it says you were chosen for salvation from the beginning. All one needs to do is listen to the law of love within them and allow themselves to be guided by it.
Maybe some extremist version of fringe Calvinism, but no normal Christianity.
A tenet of Christian theology.