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Originally posted by boymonkey74
Have you ever refused a direct order?
Would you ever refuse a direct order? Is there a point (and what point is it?) where you would say "No Iam not doing that"
Or would you just follow any order they gave you?
Example SHTF people are rioting at a food depot and your commanding officer says shoot them.This is just an example I want you to think of what point would you say no, make your own examples etc.
Not looking for a fight I respect the people who are more brave than myself by putting their life on the line to keep me safe.edit on 31-12-2011 by boymonkey74 because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Wrekless
Having served in the USMC, I would say no. Absolutely not. I was a member of an EEC team with The 22nd MEU. Trained in non lethal combat and riot control. Rules of engagement state you can not fire unless first fired upon. If there were no firearms discharged by anyone in the riot, then the order would have been unlawful. My CO could have screamed at me all he wants, but I wouldn't have fired.
Originally posted by gamesmaster63
Originally posted by boymonkey74
Have you ever refused a direct order?
Would you ever refuse a direct order? Is there a point (and what point is it?) where you would say "No Iam not doing that"
Or would you just follow any order they gave you?
Example SHTF people are rioting at a food depot and your commanding officer says shoot them.This is just an example I want you to think of what point would you say no, make your own examples etc.
Not looking for a fight I respect the people who are more brave than myself by putting their life on the line to keep me safe.edit on 31-12-2011 by boymonkey74 because: (no reason given)
Navy veteran here, I will answer your questions in order:
Yes, I have refused three because I considered them unlawful orders, on review of my actions by a Military court, I was found to have made the correct decision all three times. This also answers your second question.
This is not an act any active duty member should do with impunity, it should be carefully considered and a rational decision made to obey or not to obey. I would give more detail, but am not allowed to.
I would never follow an order to violate my oath to uphold and defend the Constitution of the United States.
As the Marine before me stated, in the case of the example you have given, the rules of engagement would prohibit firing upon the rioting crowd, and besides that, there are many better, non-lethal ways to control rioters than a hail of gunfire. You don't use deadly force on unarmed civilians unless a direct, lethal threat is proven.
Originally posted by boymonkey74
reply to post by gamesmaster63
Don't suppose you can give details of the orders you refused?
Good for you as well fella and the dude before you
Originally posted by boymonkey74
reply to post by beezzer
Did it work out better or worse than the actual order given?