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Originally posted by steveknows
Originally posted by WatchRider
Originally posted by Argyll
reply to post by jimnuggits
Roswell, Exeter, Pheonix, Wsahington DC, Moscow, London, and your town too. Literally every single place on the earth has many local stories associated with these phenomenon. There are far too many witnesses, artifacts, proofs, stories, historical texts, anecdotes, photographs, videos, testimonies, radar signatures, pilot and military witnesses, physical evidences, ancient architectural anomalies, etcetera, for these ALL to be hoaxes.
But unfortunately, no concrete, undeniable.......proof.
Wrong!
We have the Aussie guy with the hair of the 'alien' girl.
DNA evidence dude.
What Aussie guy? What DNA? What alien hair? Has the CSIRO validated this? I haven't read anything about it in the Scientific Australian. In fact it's never made the news. No DNA evidence of aliens in Australia as everywhere else I think.
reply to post by Druid42
How about this? In the over sixty years since Roswell, there is no clear evidence, no actual spaceships, and no press conferences indicating the presence of alien life.
Originally posted by WatchRider
DNA! Check!
Polygraph! Check!
Links! Check!
Even the most die-hard skeptics and nay-sayers are scratching their heads on that one...
post by WatchRider
Sigh, it's alright I'll do your homework.
post by WatchRider
DNA! Check!
post by WatchRider
Polygraph! Check!
Originally posted by gortex
And hopefully one day we'll get solid proof of it , but until then we KNOW nothing , we just have tiny parts of a much larger puzzle.
Originally posted by Xcalibur254
...but the field of Ufology has been a complete joke ever since it pretty much accepted the ET hypothesis without contest.... but once again there is no actual proof that such beings exist.
Originally posted by Myendica
You provide no evidence, no images, videos, or eye witness testimony..
debunked..?
Originally posted by bottleslingguy
Originally posted by Xcalibur254
...but the field of Ufology has been a complete joke ever since it pretty much accepted the ET hypothesis without contest.... but once again there is no actual proof that such beings exist.
the people with the correct intuition knew ahead of the rest and did you ever consider the actual reality of the existence of interdemensional/extradimensional/or whatever beings is beyond any "proof" our minds can imagine? What makes you think you can understand things you have no words for?
Originally posted by jimnuggits
Yet, skeptics and debunkers refuse to even consider the possibility that these events are real...
Originally posted by SavedOne
Originally posted by jimnuggits
Yet, skeptics and debunkers refuse to even consider the possibility that these events are real...
I think you're confusing the term "skeptic" with "cynic". Everyone should be a skeptic when it comes to UFO sightings. A "skeptic" is one who objectively looks at the evidence before drawing any kind of conclusion. They don't go into it assuming the sighting is legit, nor do they assume it is bogus. They simply let the facts speak to them. In the vast majority of UFO cases, the skeptic concludes that the evidence is insufficient to make a determination. This doesn't mean the skeptic does or does not believe in ET flying saucers, it simply means the evidence for each individual case is found to be inconclusive.
A cynic on the other hand is one who doesn't even consider the evidence, they reject it without even reading it, and they usually dismiss it with derogatory terms attacking both the argument and the person behind it.
I see people griping about "skeptics" here all the time when in fact they should be embracing skeptics, because the skeptics are the only ones that are legitimate seekers of truth. The cynic is always going to reject everything UFO-related and the "believer" is always going to accept everything UFO-related. We have plenty of both on ATS, and they frequently butt heads. Only the skeptic brings reason to these threads.
edit on 5-12-2011 by SavedOne because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by humphreysjim
Typical 'believer' nonsense.
Create the absurd straw man position that skeptics believe all those events are down to hoaxes, and then ridicule that position that no sane person actually holds, in order to make your own not-quite-as-absurd hypothesis seem more reasonable.
As a skeptic, "hoax" is a pretty rare explanation for UFO events. Don't oversimplify/misrepresent your opponent's position, actually listen to what the skeptics have to say, and you might learn something.
Believers feel the need to make the skeptic's beliefs seem far-fetched because it puts them on level footing, as that is how they must feel about their own. I think I speak for the vast majority of us when I say we'd all like Aliens to be real, but for something as wonderful and life-changing as that, we want real solid evidence of extraterrestrials, not anecdotes and as-of-yet unexplained phenomena that may have have a somewhat mundane explanation.