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Tea partiers: Why aren't you putting more pressure on Washington?

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posted on Oct, 27 2011 @ 10:57 PM
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I supported the Tea Party when it first came out...and I still support its core message of smaller government, more accountability, no more bailouts, etc.

It proved it could be a powerful force in American politics. It made the Republican leadership scramble to heed its message and at the very least pay lip service.

Why the deafening silence? Why are you guys letting OWS steal the thunder and attention?

Tea Partiers often say OWS is misdirecting its rage and should protest Washington. I happen to think that OWS and the Tea Party should work together to put pressure on both government and buisness, even if their long-term goals are different. I would love to see a Tea Party march on Washington, with demands for fiscal responsibility, and end to corruption and pork-barreling, campaign finance reform, and other conservative messages.

Well? Where's the beef?
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posted on Oct, 27 2011 @ 11:03 PM
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While I would agree withyou. I would say that the OWS does not want Tea Party support.

It is ideaological nowadays.



posted on Oct, 27 2011 @ 11:17 PM
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Looked at coverage on The Blaze lately? I'd say both sides are still as hateful toward each other...Tea Party and OWS both...as they have been. That, of course, means we're all just as doomed as we have been. I couldn't agree with this thread more. We MUST learn to work together or we all go down together. The falling has begun and it's about stopping it now, not preventing it.
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posted on Oct, 27 2011 @ 11:18 PM
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I couldn't agree more. Something really needs to change, however it comes about!



posted on Oct, 27 2011 @ 11:23 PM
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DOOM! I tell ya, Doooooom!

The more people keep walls seperating them, the more things will get worse.

We are heading for some hard times, methinks.



posted on Oct, 27 2011 @ 11:23 PM
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Hear, hear.


How did I miss your other OP? I think I was too busy at the time mostly ignoring OWS. I'm leaning toward "We're all in this together" now.


It's time to turn up the pressure from all sides.



posted on Oct, 27 2011 @ 11:25 PM
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Originally posted by Partygirl
Why the deafening silence? Why are you guys letting OWS steal the thunder and attention?


Much of the silence and absences of protests from tea partiers have occured following the 2010 midterm congressional elections. We now have a majority Republican controlled congress, and it doesn't make Republicans look good if tea partiers (their constituents) continue protesting against congress at a time where they have most of the cards (especially when there's 80 GOP freshman). It also makes them fairly obvious and partisan if they only protest the whitehouse, so there's silence. If Obama get's elected again, and if there's another Democratic majority, then you'll see them out in force again, because in the end, this is about democrats and liberals, really.



posted on Oct, 27 2011 @ 11:27 PM
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I watch the Blaze, Kos, Huffpost and Drudge....and I read betwen the lines.

Most people should do that nowadays in my opinion.



posted on Oct, 27 2011 @ 11:27 PM
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Originally posted by Southern Guardian

Much of the silence and absences of protests from tea partiers have occured following the 2010 midterm congressional elections. We now have a majority Republican controlled congress, and it doesn't make Republicans look good if tea partiers (their constituents) continue protesting against congress at a time where they have most of the cards (especially when there's 80 GOP freshman). It also makes them fairly obvious and partisan if they only protest the whitehouse, so there's silence. If Obama get's elected again, and if there's another Democratic majority, then you'll see them out in force again, because in the end, this is about democrats and liberals, really.


If the Tea Party movement is truly a movement of the people, who are still pissed about Congress and who advocate for OWS to march on Washington instead of on Wall Street, then the Tea Party would just buck up and do it themselves. Or, Congress would buck up and do what the Tea Party wanted them to do, if the Congress is controlled by them now. Since neither of those things are happening, I am not sure what to think, does the Tea Party just want to get rid of the liberals at any cost, or do they actually want to change this country for the better? Or have they been hijacked by mainstream Republicans who want to get re-elected.



posted on Oct, 27 2011 @ 11:29 PM
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Also, I think it would be great if we got a double thing going on - the Tea Party marching on Washington and protesting corrupt government, and OWS continuing to protest greedy corporations who buy up politicians. Maybe then we would get some real change...



posted on Oct, 27 2011 @ 11:40 PM
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Ever since the Tea Party got hijacked from the Sean Hannity types, they won't put any more pressure on Washington for things that matters.

The original Tea Party message was for smaller government, no bailouts for Wall Street, cutting down foreign presence, cutting corporate welfare (a lot of corporations gave money to leftists), and cutting out corruption.

The OWS movement seems to agree with 60%-70% of TP message. The problem is the OWS is being hijacked by George Soros and Obama and turning the (portrayed) OWS message into one of outright socialism.

The funny thing is that I was listening to the radio today and a couple of "conservative" hosts were interviewing individual Occupy L.A. protesters and giving them unedited free time to speak. The Occupy L.A. protesters (while speaking in a weird New Age sort of way) were saying nearly exactly the same thing that (original) Tea Party members were saying. Many were complaining that the Federal Reserve is ruining everything, politicians are corrupt, Obama is worthless and part of the 1% crowd, banks are screwing people over, and multinationals were moving jobs to China. Sure there were some protesting for illegal immigrants, but hey, it's L.A.

What I got was that just like the elite media was trying to make the TP look like a bunch of racist inbreds, Fox News and such were trying to make OWS look like drugged up spoiled hippies. The Occupy L.A. members who spoke actually sounded very intelligent, just like Tea Party members who were given a chance to speak through the media censorship. Even the pro-illegal people were pointing out that illegals suck up much less money than the banksters.

I hope there will be a point when people start looking at who the real enemy is.



posted on Oct, 27 2011 @ 11:41 PM
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Originally posted by Southern Guardian
Much of the silence and absences of protests from tea partiers have occured following the 2010 midterm congressional elections. We now have a majority Republican controlled congress, and it doesn't make Republicans look good if tea partiers (their constituents) continue protesting against congress at a time where they have most of the cards (especially when there's 80 GOP freshman)


Personal account; verifiable by none of course; I know many that have ascribed to the "Tea Party" movement that have maintained the pressure. Mainly, it is less vocal because it is now aimed at those they fought to elect into their representation.

Is this movement wide? I cannot say considering the small circle I have spoken with. Though I can infer and speculate that such feelings and energies are directed at those they elected to see if they will live up to the promise, the stances and the principles they proclaimed to have.

As a note though; any party, regardless of Tea Party, OWS, Ron Paul, Republican or Democrat; all serve to subjugate and limit rights of one group in favor of another. Allowing your argument or stance to maintain the line only shows you cannot think for yourself.
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posted on Oct, 27 2011 @ 11:55 PM
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At this point why does party affiliation even matter??!?!?! OWS and the Tea Party have a pretty common goal and that is removing greed from the economy/banks (OWS) and washington(Tea Party).

Is working together to rid our country of this beast such a hard idea to fathom??

It would benefit both parties, and the rest of the country, yet people are still acting like a bunch of children.

Grow the F**k up and put your differences aside for once and solve a problem that affects all US citizens outside that top tax bracket (which is most of us...)




posted on Oct, 28 2011 @ 12:06 AM
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Originally posted by ownbestenemy
Personal account; verifiable by none of course;


Oh I can verify it, the absense of nationwide tea party protests since the end of 2010, coincidentally following the 2010 congressional elections where we saw Republicans take the majority. The absence of a nationwide tea party protests before the general elections and before Obama got elected.

Seems verifiable to me. You see it differently? That's fine. Actions speaker louder than words.


Is this movement wide? I cannot say considering the small circle I have spoken with. Though I can infer and speculate that such feelings and energies are directed at those they elected to see if they will live up to the promise,


You mean tea partiers are still waiting to see what the Republicans are going to do in congress? You know they've been in congress for a year now, right? Since taking the majority of the house back in 2010, the majority of Republicans voted to continue the patriot act, the majority of republicans voted to take military action against Libya, they voted cooperatively with the Democrats. The sentate themselves voted inanimously on sending US forces into Libya with Nato:
www.nationaljournal.com...

Seriously, what exactly seperates this current Republican congress from the last? Nothing really. But you're still waiting to see how they go right? This explains your silence? I suppose the tea parties waited for 8years under Bush until he was conveniently out and the tables turned.

Taxed enough already my ass. Taxes were at their lowest since in decades when tea partiers came out to protest. This as little to do with fiscal conervatism, and plenty to do with partisanship. Individual tea partiers such as yourself will claim differently, as if the partisan direction of the overall movement is irrelevant.
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posted on Oct, 28 2011 @ 12:29 AM
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More pressure? There was the largest swing in political history last election.. much of the Tea Party's doing. And since then, many have learned that Democrat or Republican it really hardly matters.. because the new TP Republicans fail, just like the Dems they replaced. Only exception is the Dems now cannot force feed Americans draconian Fascist laws like Obamacare.

Trying to get the government to be so dysfunctional that nothing can get done should be the aim of everyone



posted on Oct, 28 2011 @ 12:42 AM
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Originally posted by Southern Guardian
[Oh I can verify it, the absense of nationwide tea party protests since the end of 2010, coincidentally following the 2010 congressional elections where we saw Republicans take the majority. The absence of a nationwide tea party protests before the general elections and before Obama got elected.


You can verify my personal account? Wow! I am sure someone in a black suit will be near by you soon with such powers.

What you meant to say was that by your accounts you can say otherwise....


You mean tea partiers are still waiting to see what the Republicans are going to do in congress? You know they've been in congress for a year now, right? Since taking the majority of the house back in 2010, the majority of Republicans voted to continue the patriot act, the majority of republicans voted to take military action against Libya, they voted cooperatively with the Democrats. The sentate themselves voted inanimously on sending US forces into Libya with Nato:


Lets start with your first issue-- after I get my beer. Regardless of who and what voted "aye" or "nay" (thought I would prefer 100% nay on the issue of 'Re-authorizing" the Patriot Act; it came down to the man who signed it into law....President Obama. Just like all who like to claim the "Bush Tax-Cuts", the Patriot Act can be seen as President Obama's. He had a chance to make a stand yet took the politically expedient way out and signed it into law. (Meaning, he had a chance to let most of the Patriot Act to sunset. Obviously it was already law)

Though in fashion, you wish to engage in this partisan bickering with a "he said" "she said" dialogue.


Seriously, what exactly seperates this current Republican congress from the last? Nothing really. But you're still waiting to see how they go right? This explains your silence? I suppose the tea parties waited for 8years under Bush until he was conveniently out and the tables turned.


Did I ever, in my post you replied to, say that those voted in were separated from the last bunch? Didn't think so. Pull your head out of your rectal cavity and utilize that brain to actually critically think about what I said.

I said, given my personal dealings with people I know, they are reserving their judgement to see if this group will be like the last. Lying, sycophants who just want power.

Yet you took the time to try and twist it and manipulate it. That my friend says much about you.
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posted on Oct, 28 2011 @ 01:04 AM
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Being a Tea partier OWS has my support they really really do TO go home.

Second line support's them to in the same way.



posted on Oct, 28 2011 @ 12:53 PM
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Originally posted by Partygirl
I would love to see a Tea Party march on Washington, with demands for fiscal responsibility, and end to corruption and pork-barreling, campaign finance reform, and other conservative messages.

Well? Where's the beef?
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Fiscal responsibility?

The Tea Party and OWS started on the same page here. the Tea Party was founded on outrage toward the banks and the Bush administration spending taxpayer money bailing out Wallstreet.

Post hijack - The TP is all about fiscal responsibility...for the you and me...not the Corporations.
End SS, deregulate business.

TP = Fiscal Responsibility = Americans and the Government Safety nets provided to them.
OWS = Fiscal Responsibility = Corporate America and Wall Street who have accumalted trillions through both lobbying for special advantage and outright confiscation of taxpayer funds via Government.

The TP is looking to protect the "Job Creators"...I try not to laugh when I hear that ironic phrase.
The OWS is looking to protect everyone else.

Campaign Finance Reform?

You are aware that Freedomworks vehemently opposes it? They heavily lobbied to overturn McCain-Fiengold and eventually succeeded with eliminating critical portions with Citizens Untied vs. the FEC?

I guess what I am saying is, I think you are confused.



posted on Oct, 28 2011 @ 01:55 PM
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The Tea Party are busy voting to renew the Patriot Act ... They'll get back to you when they are done!


2nd line, cause the first says it all... but it's required.



posted on Oct, 28 2011 @ 01:59 PM
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I'm a Tea Party member and I do not support the OWS crowd, and we are doing something about the White House and congress, and the Senate for that matter. We are organizing and planning for a major political shift in the landscape with a magnitude 11.4 on the political elector scale. That is, a November 4th landslide for Tea Party candidates.



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