War declared on Tea Party

The concept which Progressives tend to promote is that it is somehow socially just that people who make more money are responsible to help out others and that the State is just equalizing things for people of lesser status. This is the promotion of the Entitlement class because it forcibly takes money from people who worked hard to earn their wages, and gives it to the people who believe they are entitled to that money.

Social justice is not really just if one takes the time to dissect the elements.

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I think it's not that bad to show obamacare indifferent to Kenyan witchdoctors. It meets the situation

Gorman you made me laugh with that one!

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first off,i am not racist,i do not hate any body over the color of their skin,what i do hate is paying my taxes so some people can sit around and get money for nothing.....i cant join the black caucus,i cant get money from the united negro collage fund to go to school, know why,because i am white......so who is the real racists.......

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Oh I just discovered your post to me. Not sure why the emphasis on Hor us....was that meant as a kind of slur? It sounds like hatred of the USA? Horus was Egyptian mythological creature in case you didn't know.
Anyway, yes communism is the abolition of private property. Socialism is the redistribution of it, hence it is taking from one what one rightfully owns or worked for and giving it to someone else. Is there that much difference? Marx said expressly "From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs". Also in the Manifesto of the Communist Party he expressly says that private property is to be abolished.
Communism is also the Supremacy of the State. While Marxists claim that the proletariat own all the means of production, for all intents and purposes, the State is really the owner of all the means, and the proletariat is the poor sucker who believes he is the owner of it. Marx suggested that eventually the State would wither away. As we saw in the Soviet Union, the only way the State withers away is when direct communism is abolished.
Everything else is just a shade in between.

Oh yah,and by the way, if you were to look at a lot of posts I have made over the months and count the references I have made to Skull and Bones, Antony Sutton and his research on the Order, Hegelian Dialectic, and posts suggesting I am not a supporter of the Bush family, including commentary on the 04 election featuring two Bonesmen on either side of the dialectic, you would see that I am already quite familiar with what you are speaking about.
I just happen to know that socialism is a bridge to all out communism. Marx said it, the communist party said it. Fabian socialists say it.

I completely expected there to be a "War on Tea Party" -- since of course, there are two more months before Bill O'Reilly announces the annual "Atheists War on Christmas."

>> There is no more group that feels MORE under attack than THESE people; www.youtube.com...


Please, please people -- remember to Give to whatever charity grows out of the fields of Astro Turf on the web to save the endangered, Great White-Bellied American Eagle

/file this under; I could not help myself.

I was looking at a Google of Tea Party signs and I found this one.

Gotta love it


ok that url didnt work
but the sign says RUSSIA CALLED THEY WANT THEIR SOCIALISM BACK

rightwingnews.com...


too funny and not racist

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus

I am against Statism, but that does not mean I am against all govt. I am for limited govt because to not have govt would result in chaos and anarchy. Our Founding Fathers espoused limited govt with an emphasis on individual liberty. You could say I am on the libertarian side of republicans, or on the conservative side of Libertarian.
Anything which emphasizes control of the State over individual liberties would be considered Statism. This is why, when speaking about Marxism and Socialism, we consider these political ideals to be based out of Statism, because they promote collectivism. The Hitler and Mussolini brand of Statism employed "nationalism" but nevertheless are still really systems of the left political scale. If we look closely at what is happening today in American govt, we see an increasing dependence on the State or govt. In other words, Socialism in increments. This is referred to as Fabian Socialism. The truth is that on the communist party websites, they say that socialism is a bridge to communism, and Karl Marx also said it. So, communism is the end. Corporations can and are being used to prop up socialism. This can be very confusing because we tend to think of corporations as part of the Capitalist structure, but think of it, untill the end as communism is achieved, Capital is still used to achieve the goal.
Antony Sutton wrote a good many books on how wealthy bankers and industrialists propped up communist and fascist movements. Rockefellers financed the Bolsheviks.
Some of Sutton's titles were:
Wall Street and The Rise of Hitler
Wall Street and The Bolshevik Revolution
National Suicide:Military Aid to the Soviet Union
Wall Streeet and FDR
How The Order Creates War and Revolution
and many more.

The communist empire of the Soviet Union was built up by bankers and wealthy industrialists, but the empire fell due to the fact that the system of communism does not work and is a failed system. Centralized planning is quite flawed. A centralized govt which tries to control all the means of production fails.

People who subscribe to the Marxist ideology actively rail against corporations and Capitalism in general. Just read any of Karl Marx's material and you will see this.
I suspect that many Democrats and liberals hear the rhetoric and don't know where it originated and thus just take it at face value as a Democrat talking point against Republicans or conservatives. Seasoned Marxists do know exactly where that rhetoric originated.


OH yes, and to clear up a point on the State.
When Ron Paul talks about States rights he is talking about individual States in the Union, as opposed to the Federal Govt
Our Founding Fathers did not want to give too much power to a central govt, and therefore in constructing the Constitution, they sought to preserve the rights of individual States to make their own rules, but some things stay on a Federal level.
What we want to do is go back to an emphasis on the individual States and less centralized planning. But we do not want too much centralized planning even on the State level or it defeats the purpose.
When you have a State and local centrally planned agenda, it still allows heavy Statist control. Just look at the volume of videos on ATS that discuss police brutality, etc.

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Great post. You are a true freedom fighter Horus

Originally posted by GeoSorosReptilian
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As a single momma of 9 chilren, i gotta have help to keep food in they belly. I cant work cus I gotta care for the chilren. My great gran worked and it put her in an early grave. If teaparty wants us to starve then we have to fight back.

No racism there.

What is with all the commies wanting me to pay taxes. What gives you the right to propose me paying any tax ever? Speak for yourself you leftist lunatics.

No taxes. The righties on here think they are different than the leftists, but you are no different.

You want to pay taxes, you cut the government a check. Don't throw me in with your communists rhetoric. Small government isn't supposed to tell me what to do.

Originally posted by pirhanna
The video notwithstanding, the "Tea Party" is nothing but the rebranded christian coalition of far right wing religious kooks.

Not that I'm against smaller government generally speaking. And the welfare system could and should be revamped to more aptly perform it's purpose - a social safety net. Instead of giving people money for nothing, give them jobs. (obviously in some circumstances, the person cannot work, but for those that can which is the majority)

So basically "I agree with what they stand for and say but they're all crazy right wing kooks".

Right...

Originally posted by Kali74

Originally posted by GeoSorosReptilian
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As a single momma of 9 chilren, i gotta have help to keep food in they belly. I cant work cus I gotta care for the chilren. My great gran worked and it put her in an early grave. If teaparty wants us to starve then we have to fight back.

No racism there.

Kali, I'm not sure if they truly don't see it...or if they just actively deny it.

I hear racist comments all the time from people who say they aren't racist...well they say they aren't in public. Get them in a locker room, or a bar, and the racist remarks start to fly.

But of course they are just "joking"...and if anyone thinks they are being racist...they are just too "sensative".

utter garbage. so we are the enemy?? to all of you steed fast Americans there is a Civil war coming to this nation. No I do not know what the tipping point is or when, only that it is coming. No they do not win!! we who make this a great nation win. this is written to re-assure you that we prevail in the end, there is a price, millions will! die in this conflict.

Originally posted by OutKast Searcher

Originally posted by Kali74

Originally posted by GeoSorosReptilian
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As a single momma of 9 chilren, i gotta have help to keep food in they belly. I cant work cus I gotta care for the chilren. My great gran worked and it put her in an early grave. If teaparty wants us to starve then we have to fight back.

No racism there.

Kali, I'm not sure if they truly don't see it...or if they just actively deny it.

I hear racist comments all the time from people who say they aren't racist...well they say they aren't in public. Get them in a locker room, or a bar, and the racist remarks start to fly.

But of course they are just "joking"...and if anyone thinks they are being racist...they are just too "sensative".

It reminds me of when I was younger and worked in retail. I saw the same crap behavior from all types of customers, saw young teenagers of different cultures stealing things, I saw moms of white, black, hispanic smack their toddlers because they wanted to shop instead of being at the playground. My white co-workers gossiped about all this same as I did but I noticed something, if a white person did something to bitch or snicker about it was "that woman" "that boy" "that kid" if they weren't white, their color was always mentioned "that black woman" "that spanish kid" "well they were black..." "I have black friends but, you know how they can be..." I don't think they see it OKS. It's really sad. I started saying "that white (whatever)".

Face it Blacks in America view themselves the same as Aryans in Germany (aka Nazi). They always talk about the black community and the race... pfft

How are they not racist when they voted for the president because he would be the first Black president? I can hardly find any Black Americans talking about the policies that Obama wants to put in place that will help them. Its all about Obama money.

Do I need to quote MLK about judging a man by his character not his skin color.

Then there is the La Raza aka THE RACE.

How can you progressives / liberals/ left wingers not call this racism?!

So f'ing sick

Just wait for them to up the race baiting and then guess who is going to riot. I will give you 4 guesses.

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Its called self reference.......

Black folks dont call other folks black but they point out mexicans and asians.

What is your point?

Originally posted by VitriolAndAngst
I completely expected there to be a "War on Tea Party" -- since of course, there are two more months before Bill O'Reilly announces the annual "Atheists War on Christmas."

>> There is no more group that feels MORE under attack than THESE people; www.youtube.com...


Please, please people -- remember to Give to whatever charity grows out of the fields of Astro Turf on the web to save the endangered, Great White-Bellied American Eagle

/file this under; I could not help myself.

LoL I always wondered about the war on christmas. Too bad it isn't Jesus' B-day as he was a Jew and was born after passover..... as in not december.......

Christmas is just pagan tradition and the Atheists should get a damn clue and protest or declare war on Osiris who is Horus who dies and is reborn seeing as they would get to froth at the mouth in hatred of not just one but
2 gods!

Originally posted by MasterGemini
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Its called self reference.......

Black folks dont call other folks black but they point out mexicans and asians.

What is your point?

You missed it lol.

Just to clarify, racism is disgusting and it comes from all cultures and colors. No racist propaganda is ok in my eyes.

Originally posted by seagull
All too many of us, as in citizens, have bought into the notion that the "gubmint" is going to take care of us...

Remember those soundbites after Mr. Obama was elected? The "Obama stash"? Those were only the latest of what has become, or is in the process of becoming, endemic in our country. ...and lest people somehow think I'm some sort of rascist/bigot, I am fully aware that just as many whites, if not more, have the same sort of mindset. It crosses every ethnic, and cultural boundry in this country.

The "tea party" as a concept is against this sort of thing. ...and that just doesn't sit well with those who would like us all to give up responsibility for our own care, and let the nanny-state take care of us.

The next question is: Will the "tea party" remain this way? Who knows.

to me, it seems like it would be a little more fair to say that we have all bought into the notion that the government can do everything everyone wants it too.

first off, one of the beauties of the american system (as designed) is it's adaptability to changing times. if the majority of folk want the government to serve as insurance in the public good, then it can. the complication arrises when a few folk also want us to go to war, and we do that without shifting priorities. war isn't cheap, entitlements aren't cheap. both are important. both serve a good.

we don't have an entitlement problem because we can't afford it ever, we have an entitlement problem because the system is structured horribly, suffered from uneven years [ie., retirement of baby boomers with unequal entry into workforce by younger generation] and perpetual neglect.

i too would love to see a restoration of civil liberties, but no party on the ticket is seriously campaigning on that platform--paul might be the closest, even still though, it's just not in the interests of big business which has become a major financial backer of the tea party. more of the same.

but as you noted it's objection as an ideological concept, perhaps you can tell me why it's something you can support without feeling like you're advocating regression instead of progress.

Originally posted by MasterGemini
Face it Blacks in America view themselves the same as Aryans in Germany (aka Nazi). They always talk about the black community and the race... pfft

How are they not racist when they voted for the president because he would be the first Black president? I can hardly find any Black Americans talking about the policies that Obama wants to put in place that will help them. Its all about Obama money.

Do I need to quote MLK about judging a man by his character not his skin color.

Then there is the La Raza aka THE RACE.

How can you progressives / liberals/ left wingers not call this racism?!

So f'ing sick

Just wait for them to up the race baiting and then guess who is going to riot. I will give you 4 guesses.

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while it's way ridiculous to expect anyone to be able to answer for the entirety of the left wing, my experience is that the reasoning behind this goes as follows:

you've got to be a close minded fool to discriminate in the 21st century. discrimination is a consequent of learned biases. don't talk about em, don't teach em to kids, in a generation or two, they go away.

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The progressives want to give the person a wheelchair (bought by someone else). They don't want the person to go through the painful process of rehabilitation. They want that person to stay in the wheelchair until the legs have atrophied to a point where they CAN'T leave the wheelchair. They want that person to be dependent. They want that person to NEED them.

Therefore, the war. They will fight for every needy person, every dependent person, because without them, their own existence can't be justified.

Just my take on it.

Yours?

Agreed. That analysis helped formed my opinion of altruism. I think it is inherently evil, because it requires victims.

I acknowledge Ayn Rand for her clear thinking on this also.