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Originally posted by john_bmth
reply to post by smithjustinb
But you OP was about mathematics. In mathematics, 0 is not used to denote infinity nor is it used to denote an arbitrary value. Mathematics is not "wrong" in this respect. What mathematical problems does your "right" math solve that the "wrong" math doesn't?
Originally posted by john_bmth
Originally posted by habfan1968
Originally posted by john_bmth
reply to post by HappilyEverAfter
Within the Earth's frame of reference my speed would be 0km per hour.
Speed would be the measurement used to gauge how fast or slow something is moving? If you are not moving, relative to the context, there is no measure of speed.
Exactly, ZERO speed or ZERO km per hour. Look, I hate to burst someone's bubble but this is semantics, not mathematics. To suggest that 0 = inf is incorrect, no amount of semantical gymnastics will change that. In math, zero exists. Conceptually for human beings, zero exists. The math is not wrong, I font see airplanes falling out the sky because "mathematics is wrong".edit on 30-8-2011 by john_bmth because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by john_bmth
Originally posted by habfan1968
Originally posted by john_bmth
reply to post by HappilyEverAfter
Within the Earth's frame of reference my speed would be 0km per hour.
Speed would be the measurement used to gauge how fast or slow something is moving? If you are not moving, relative to the context, there is no measure of speed.
Exactly, ZERO speed or ZERO km per hour. Look, I hate to burst someone's bubble but this is semantics, not mathematics. To suggest that 0 = inf is incorrect, no amount of semantical gymnastics will change that. In math, zero exists. Conceptually for human beings, zero exists. The math is not wrong, I font see airplanes falling out the sky because "mathematics is wrong".edit on 30-8-2011 by john_bmth because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Alien Abduct
reply to post by Smack
My first laugh of the day thanks Smack.
Back on topic:
I agree with the OP that 0 can be replaced with (infinity). But, I have one question for the OP. Can you show me ware using this new method would be significant? Not that I doubt that you would yield different results.
-Alien
Originally posted by smithjustinb
Infinity and 0 are both immeasurable. 0 cannot be measured because there is nothing there to measure. Infinity cannot be measured because once a measurement has been attempted, there will always be something greater or smaller.
Originally posted by steaming
Break one pencil in half, throw one part away and continue to keep breaking such in half etc. At what stage do i reach Zero ??? I know such may become too small to divide, yet i know i can never reach 0.. To reach infinity means a continued addition and thats what space keeps doing does it not ?? So yes Math's are handy, yet still become wrong. Great thread, keep up the good work...
Originally posted by spy66
reply to post by sdrawkcabII
Or you can put it like this if you remember that energy can neither be created or destroyed:
If you eat your only apple, you have 0 left. But you still have parts of the apple within you. It really hasn't disappeared.
Even after you have digested the apple you still have the whole apple within you, but in broken up parts. Even if you take a dump, what used to be the apple will never cease to exist. The apple will just change by going through a process.
0 can not exist, because we can not have something that the infinite can't provide. We can not make something from something that doesn't exist.edit on 27.06.08 by spy66 because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by 547000
Originally posted by spy66
reply to post by sdrawkcabII
Or you can put it like this if you remember that energy can neither be created or destroyed:
If you eat your only apple, you have 0 left. But you still have parts of the apple within you. It really hasn't disappeared.
Even after you have digested the apple you still have the whole apple within you, but in broken up parts. Even if you take a dump, what used to be the apple will never cease to exist. The apple will just change by going through a process.
0 can not exist, because we can not have something that the infinite can't provide. We can not make something from something that doesn't exist.edit on 27.06.08 by spy66 because: (no reason given)
If by 0 apples you mean WHOLE apples, then yes, if you bite into the apple, it would cease to be a whole apple.
Originally posted by MathiasAndrew
0 can not be replaced by infinity. They are not similar either. In mathematics 0 is the center while infinity exists on both sides of the +/- scale. Think of a number line ---
infinity
Originally posted by quackers
So if I have one apple and I give that apple away I am left with an infinite amount of apples? Profit.edit on 31-8-2011 by quackers because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by MathiasAndrew
To say that negative numbers do not exist is like saying your left hand doesn't exist or "I only believe in the North pole. The South pole does not exist." Magnetism is measured in positive and negative. Atomic particles have positive and negative charges. Negative numbers do not represent a lack of existence but rather a left and right or North and South. Nature and the laws of physics show that zero is the point of perfection while infinity is imperfect.