I am very disturbed because of something I saw on a Movie....

reply to post by boncho


they are typically given herbal cigarettes (you can buy them in most cigarette stores and in California you still have to be 18 to walk into one of those stores.) to smoke in movies. It doesnt change that they are portraying real smoking.

Don't know if it has been mentioned, but if you find the "examples" on the first few pages as grusome
you should try watching "A Serbian Movie".

Infant murder/necrophilia ain't for the faint hearted.

And yes i agree, it can actually seem like we are being desensitized.

I would gladly enjoy watching a movie about zombie kids fighting rabid kids with chainsaws while the hero is setting an orphanage on fire

And of course with subliminal flash of porn pictures

At the end the hero could shoot all the kids while using drugs ,driving a truck over the bodies of starved kids .

woopie-doo. human trafficking, female children having their genitalia mutilated and disfigured, black market babies, sweatshops, etc... and we're supposed to get our knickers all up in a twist over dakota fanning pretending to smoke in a movie?!?



okie dokie... you guys go ahead and have your high horse, then.

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www.massivecorporation.com...


Yup that right, it fit perfectly with the mind of some ATS users

Intra-Box-Thinking
Through years of corporate implementation, we have become masters of thinking within the box. To that end, we have constructed many layers of bureaucracy to ensure an unmatched level of corporate quality. Our entire culture reflects this, and it is a mission we all take seriously. In fact, we require all employees to look serious 100% of the time.

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We look like we know what we're doing. And we like to look knowingly at what we're doing. We're doing knowing like we're looking. And like doing, we're knowing while doing looking. Look at what we're doing - you'll like what you're looking at. We know it.

Those kids are not acting out the scenes as you see them in the movie.

There are dozens of people, equipment, each scene shot, and reshot, and reshot, and reshot from another angle again. The lines are rewritten, they try different positions and expressions.

They may spend a single day on 30 seconds of a movie. So, in the film you see a sick twisted situation but that scene was not acted or filmed as you see it.

Sounds like the producers, writers, and actors did a great job enthralling, thrilling, and entertaining you.

Originally posted by Charmed707
reply to post by highpriestess

 

The Hollywood movie producers & actors are somehow more trustworthy around children and therefore able to film children in whatever manner they please as long as it's "acting", while anyone else should be held accountable for child abuse?

Well, care to link me to where all the cases of producers abusing kids are?

Leaving your kid with Hollywood is probably still safer then leaving them at church:

The 2004 John Jay Report[14] was based on a study of 10,667 allegations against 4,392 priests accused of engaging in sexual abuse of a minor between 1950 and 2002. The report stated there were approximately 10,667 reported victims (younger than 18 years) of clergy sexual abuse during this period:

Sex abuse in Church.



Oh, and for the fifth time, movies are not real. People do not need to interact with each other to be in the same scene together.

Dear god, brick walls everywhere...

reply to post by Thurisaz


Are you serious?

If children are seen drinking in movies, it's the same as with tv shows where whiskey is actually apple juice and such. They're not real cigarettes either.

And what would you prefer? A scene where a father is implied to be abusing his little girl without actually showing anything with the little girl played by a 32 year old woman?

Horror and other movies also ensure kids aren't terrified and such, otherwise the scripts would be changed and there'd be a massive public uproar for including them in such things. Bad language is usually recorded and edited into a scene later on while the actors and actresses say a less offensive word in front of a child actor. A lot of the time, they even have actors and actresses who look younger than they actually are so a 14 year old in a movie using bad language could actually be an 18 year old and legal adult as far as that kind of thing.

Movies and tv shows have a lot of rules, regulations, laws and the like in place to protect children from being exploited. I think it's just your own seemingly delusional and distorted "morals" making you think such things. Grow up and hopefully you never have children of your own if you can't even understand this.

I still don't understand why people come into this thread with the idea that being a child star is bad.

Britney Spears was a child star, and although she got rich, she married a loser and got knocked up a couple times.

The only alternative for her if she didn't get famous was to be poor, marry a loser and get knocked up a couple times.



At least now she can afford to put her kids through school, should they not follow in her footsteps...

Originally posted by boncho

...Oh, and for the fifth time, movies are not real. People do not need to interact with each other to be in the same scene together.

For goodness sake! We get it... movies aren't real!! OK???

Am I attacking you or anyone else for that matter because you don't have a problem with it? NO I am not.

What is wrong with me discussing an issue that disturbes me????????????????

Is it a crime for me to discuss this issue????

Just because I am discussing this issue does not mean that I am:

a. Religious
b. Fragile
c. Conservative
d. Over-Protective
c. or whatever you or anyone else wants to label me with!!!!!

I am sick and tired of people personally insulting others whilst trying to have a meaningful discussion....

Isn't that what a Discussion Forum is about?????

I took the liberty of taking out your insane font size to make my post not look as childish as yours.

Originally posted by Thurisaz

For goodness sake! We get it... movies aren't real!! OK???

Am I attacking you or anyone else for that matter because you don't have a problem with it? NO I am not.

What is wrong with me discussing an issue that disturbes me????????????????

You aren't discussing anything. You're gurgitating your pre-decided nonsense and defending it as if it held any value in the first place, even after admitting your own ignorance.

Is it a crime for me to discuss this issue????

Discuss? Discuss? Go ahead and start discussing whenever. All I've seen you to so far is repeat your weightless rhetoric and cry about how right you think you are..

Just because I am discussing this issue does not mean that I am:

a. Religious
b. Fragile
c. Conservative
d. Over-Protective
c. or whatever you or anyone else wants to label me with!!!!!

No, but being a stiff, self-absorbed... [T&C protected word]... and typically hiding behind the "protect the children!" nonsense is pretty tell-tale, yes.

I am sick and tired of people personally insulting others whilst trying to have a meaningful discussion....

Isn't that what a Discussion Forum is about?????

I don't know, maybe you should stop flagging Hollywood producers as criminally perverted because you don't have the slightest clue what you're talking about.

This movie is about a girl who killed herself because of the sexual abuse that you talk about... this movie is doing the OPPOSITE of what you are accusing it of, it is NOT promoting child pornographic or molestation, it is the largest advocate AGAINST those acts for a movie from that time period.

You are your own worst enemy. Sorry, you are "the children"'s worst enemy.

reply to post by Thurisaz


you, know, i will give you this... you ARE entitled to your opinion and as much as i support someone else's right to allow their child to act in a certain movie, i also, based on the same principle of freedom, support your right to have your opinion and voice it, especially in a thread of which you created. I just really, really, really passionately disagree with you. But you are right, i respect your right to be just as passionate about your opinion as I am about mine.

carry on...

Originally posted by Thurisaz

What disturbed me was the fact that a movie was made and children were acting in that movie. They were acting in scenes that involved sexual abuse and adult themes, such as smoking and alcohol.

OH MY GOD!!! they were exposed to smoking and drinking!!!!
Arent't these things legal? Or are you one of those facists that want to take away all of our freedoms?
Do you realize that these 'children' are taught sexual practices and birth control and STD prevention in school?
They play violent games and watch violence regularly on TV and in the movies. They are taught from early on that they are victims and are not responsible for their own actions. Their egos are stroked, not for any reason, just 'because'. Yeah, gotta have that 'self esteem'..

Just don't let them see you smoke or drink....

/flame off


I guess I'm just tired of everyone who legally and responsibly drinks or smokes being treated as pariahs..

That is the world we live in OP
But, you must understand that the children in the movies are ACTING, it does not mean that they behave like that in real life
They are just doing their job, taking the money, and keeping their mouths shut, just like any non-child actor does

reply to post by Thurisaz


Your post is a prime example of why soccer moms should have zero power.

I think the entertainment industry definitely crosses the line sometimes, in regards to children actors. I assume those that cross the line were trying to walk the line in hopes of a shock and awe effect. Nevertheless, the line gets crossed. When this proverbial line is crossed it should be redraw darker and fenced in on the other side to prevent it from being crossed again.

Any role that intends to cause a child emotional distress shouldn't be allowed.

Case and point:

Originally posted by MartyMcFlyJr

Originally posted by idunno12

Originally posted by grahag
This post is part of what I hate about society as a whole.

Does no one describe the difference between real and make-believe any more? I don't ever recall the moment i learned between the two, but I definitely have a distinction, which I don't think people are getting taught or it being ingrained into life's lessons.

Movies are make believe and even most children know the difference. Why don't you?

When children are in movies with adult content, it's because they are ACTING. There's nothing I see in movies that is worse than anything I might see on the news at 6 or 10pm.

In any case, sheltering children from the rest of the world is just going to make this world that much more harsh when they finally get out into it.

Ok...

Then let's try an experiment.

You take your 8 year old little girl into the bedroom with her father and then tell her that she and daddy are going to act out a scene where he pretends to rape her. And you film it while directing the scene. And then go ahead and show the film to your family after Thanksgiving meal. Be sure your grandmother, your mother, and YOUR father have a front row seat.

Let me know how that goes....

That is the stupidest thing I've read in a long time. Get real.

Oh really? You mean since three days ago when you signed up?
And I WAS getting real. The poster whom I was responding to said that "acting" and "film" are just make believe and we should learn to tell the difference. To me, that is saying that its ok to put or show children in compromising positions for the sake of entertainment...as long as its not real.

Yes, Grahag. I do get that this is a movie. I totally understand that Superman can't actually fly and that Spiderman isn't actually part spider. But the children who are reading these lines, acting the scenes, and being shown in such violent and sexually suggestive movies are actually real children. They are actually learning the lines and saying the words.

After a good nights sleep I realize that I let my feelings get in the way and my original response was not well thought out. I am a mom and I was angry about the apathy with which some people in this thread seem to view these childrens' innocence.

Originally posted by boncho
I still don't understand why people come into this thread with the idea that being a child star is bad.

Britney Spears was a child star, and although she got rich, she married a loser and got knocked up a couple times.

The only alternative for her if she didn't get famous was to be poor, marry a loser and get knocked up a couple times.

At least now she can afford to put her kids through school, should they not follow in her footsteps...

edit on 2-8-2011 by boncho because: (no reason given)

LOL I hear they curse now!
Money put to good use

(I don't know where that was, I didn't read the article)