Congressional Democrats question Obama's loyalty; Sanders wants primary challenge

I agree with Bernie, Dump Obama! This guy is the weakest, wimpiest president in history. Or he is a wolf [conservative corporatist pretending to be a progressive] in sheep’s clothing, which is worst.

The only thing that holds him together are the racialist like Al Sharpton, who still support this turn coat, out of some stupid sense of racial pride. When the black people realize that Obama is not even on their side then he may be vulnerable to a primary challenge.

Originally posted by dolphinfan
reply to post by Janky Red

 

I realize that this is a conspiracy site, but perhaps there is really a pretty simple cause for the dissatisfaction the public, arcoss the broad spectrum of ideology have for Mr. Obama.

He's doing an absolutely miserable job. Its as simple as that.

Obama always caves in to the Republicans.
no public option to health care, continued tax cuts for the rich.

he is the little kid in the school yard the bullies love to pick on.
the Republicans shoot at his feet and he dances.

he always gives in, so why compromise, the Republicans rule the country.
he is a president, but gets no respect.

the 2012 electrion will be between a useless Democrat, or an even more dangerous Republican.

Obama simply does not know how to handle bullies, making him a very weak president.

Originally posted by beezzer
reply to post by Janky Red

 

Ahhh, I love progressive definitions.
Bravery is when conservatives attack conservatives.
Compromise is when conservatives give in to progressive demands.
Cowardice is a conservative unwilling to do what a progressive demands.

You funny.
You make me laugh.
You rant and regurgitate what the party chair tells you to say.

Do you guys get coupons if you go over quota?

you just don't like the truth, you want it to be about what progressives have done and you certainly
don't want to look in the mirror do you?

It is a sign of strength to question bad things, regardless of where they came from.
Bravery would have been a conservative standing up and questioning the massive expansion of government
in 2002 before it got out of control. But as I said, conservatives close ranks and defend their people because to
do otherwise might effect future elections and dominance. Compromise is when you meet in the middle and work out the differences like grown ups, I like the juvenile concept you pose though, nice

The funniest thing is Obama proposed policies make Reagan look like a Commie scum, while you guys
are busy beeking off ideas and concepts hatched on a T.V news station fabricated by an Australian.

Just because you can no longer smell your B.O does not mean that you smell good. I have yet to see you once
question anything that would hurt the conservative position, you, are the good party member, you tow the line
well.

Perry '12 "up"

Originally posted by citizen6511

Originally posted by dolphinfan
reply to post by Janky Red

 

I realize that this is a conspiracy site, but perhaps there is really a pretty simple cause for the dissatisfaction the public, arcoss the broad spectrum of ideology have for Mr. Obama.

He's doing an absolutely miserable job. Its as simple as that.

Obama always caves in to the Republicans.
no public option to health care, continued tax cuts for the rich.

he is the little kid in the school yard the bullies love to pick on.
the Republicans shoot at his feet and he dances.

he always gives in, so why compromise, the Republicans rule the country.
he is a president, but gets no respect.

the 2012 electrion will be between a useless Democrat, or an even more dangerous Republican.

Obama simply does not know how to handle bullies, making him a very weak president.

Yup!

And these Republicans will come in, defend the SEC and give America to the corporations! That wills solve the problems!

reply to post by Janky Red


Just curious - do you even know what the SEC is?

Just asking because it has absolutely no relationship what so ever to what is being discussed in this thread

Yip, the OP and everyone else is correct

Obama IS a douchebag. Then were agreed!

Hoorah!

bernies sanders is a poser all anyone has to do is look at his record and who he takes money from.

a comparison of sanders and paul its no contest paul wins .

obama has done a terrible job and has fixed nothing and has made things worse ALOT worse.

but seriously there will be no democrat running agianst their messiah it will never happen

and i cant remember when a party has ever been so upset with one of their own they ran someone from the same party agianst them.

it will never happen its just wishful thinking that someone will.

american politics doesnt work that way if it ever did.

My theory is this is just a ploy to make sure Ron Paul does not become the Republican nominee. if they weaken Obama then they figure one of the other republican losers can then beat him. They don't care if it is a pub or dem in as long as it is one of thier hand picked stooges who will do as they are told.

As it stands Ron Paul is the only republican who could beat Obama as he appeals to independents and 3rd parties and the democrat disaffected. Why do you think the other stooges are sounding more and more like Ron Paul? None of the other Republican candidates cross those lines and are seen as business as usual. TPTB understand this so the plan is to marginalize Obama and slip Romney or some other stooge in there. Anyone but Ron Paul because they know he will actually do what he says and the others will not.

Originally posted by dolphinfan
reply to post by Janky Red

 

Just curious - do you even know what the SEC is?

Just asking because it has absolutely no relationship what so ever to what is being discussed in this thread

The securities and exchange commission is where the real show will start once the corporatists have a fresh mandate.

Maybe you are not paying attention

Originally posted by simone50m
Bernie Sanders FOR PRESIDENT!

FORGET Ron Paul.

I would genuinely be excited (at least sort of) in politics if that were to happen. Of course, the rest of the system is pretty corrupt so I'm not sure what impact he'd be able to actually have.

According to that poll, 38% of people think Obama has been too liberal? I really don't think a lot people actually follow politics.

My perception is Democrats have every right to be pissed off at Obama, but as a whole it seems like most Democrats in office should probably be looking at themselves as well. They aren't vocal enough for what they supposedly believe in and don't seem to stand up to Republicans on some issues.

The political paradigm has shifted, IMO, over the last 30 years - there is far right (Tea Party, Neocons), right and then there's Obama who is clearly a centrist. There are hardly any true "progressives" out there outside of a few politicians like Sanders. That's the reality but listening to the media there is still a healthy two party system at work in America.

Just look at these talks. Boehner walked away because Obama wanted to close tax loopholes, a topic that almost every American agrees with? It seems like he was even willing to lower the top tax rate.

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How exactly will the show occur within the SEC? The SEC has long been nothing but a paper tiger, starved of resources, going after small-time crap, doing nothing at the macro level. The SEC is a joke and a shell of what it was in the 1980s. Now it might be a show in that the regulatory agency that is supposed to have at least some marginal responsibilties will be a joke and shown to be ineffective, but that is all that I can envision. If you've got more insights or more specific thoughts on the matter, I'd be interested in hearing them. I could well be missing something

Originally posted by beezzer
reply to post by Misoir

 

Obama has had 3 years to show what kind of president he is.
And it is an epic fail, only matched by Pelosis' failure as speaker of the House.

There is blood in the water and the political sharks are circling.

"BEE-ZAAH!"
leave it be:
Stand down,step back and enjoy the Democrats batting at their collective heads like their hair is on fire;

All the while spinning around in circles like their (left) foot is nailed to the dance floor.

Oh no he di'-uhnt'' ("He fooled us"! )

Our govt money may get real expensive to borrow soon; but maybe thats a good thing?
Just may be we'll use less?
"Under my administration your energy costs will necessarily SKYROCKET!! "
" right" Back- atcha' "Sir".

I truly appreciate that people gave me a number of stars, previous page, but it was in regards to Bernie Sanders. See, I cheered TOO SOON. Sanders is a sellout caver. Lets all be excruciatingly carefull who we cheer on and not keep making the same mistakes.

IMHO Obama is doing fine, in fact he is doing one hell of a job and will cruise to a re-election landslide in 2012. the American people are on to what the Republican party is all about. the GOP doesn't realize how telling their actions of late really are. how could they, they are blinded by their own arrogance. on top of that we have that cancer called the Tea party growing and taking hold of once was a strong, vital GOP. those days are gone. anyway, I was thinking. what would have happened had the GOP won in 08? McCain?; you're kidding me. he'd be dead by now from heart failure and we'd be left with that half wit from Alaska. yep, things are tough today but they surely could be worse. thank God for Obama. things happen for a reason. I've said it before but I'll say it again; the GOP needs to take a seat, meditate, reflect & find itself. in other words they need to try & remember what they once stood for; the people, not the corporations. then and only then can they take a seat at the adults table.

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Yeah, let's tax the evil corporations and the rich into oblivion and give the money to democratic voters, Let's kill all the job makers and give everyone a union job in the government. We can tax those jobs to create more government union jobs until everyone is broke. Whip out the credit cards, we'll just pay the minimum payment when the bill comes and apply for more credit.

I agree that the republican field isn't very good right now and we probably don't have a chance of a tea party win because it has been infiltrated with RINOs so why can't we have Dick Cheney back? He would take out some of those Liberal Socialist. I'm sure there is a terrorist in the weeds to do the deed. It wouldn't have to be many, just a few key leaders and happy days would be here again. The buildup to the new war on terrorism would mean lots of jobs. More ships, planes, bombs and ammo. Heck, if we take out China a lot of our debt goes away.

Is the NWO elite getting ready to throw their newest puppet under the bus? All the socialists like Sanders have to do is just say, oh wow look what a mess he made and he's not a real socialist after all. LOL

Lets face it Obama is an epic fail, his pre-election policy's were weak but people fell for his rhetoric and not the lack of substance. I have to give his campaign management cu do's for keeping this hidden until after the election.

I think that both Democrats and Republicans (with a few notable exceptions) have not delivered what their constituents want.

1. gainful employment (not the low paying service industry jobs that are being created)
2. fair pay (employee salaries are running behind inflation currently)
3. a fair cost health care (not a government run health care system that would be another epic fail)
4. a guarantee that social security will be there when they retire (many of us have paid into the system for 30-50 years)
5. less taxes (at all levels of government)
6. a less intrusive federal government (we don't need big brother telling us what to do 24/7)

I will vote for anyone who can tell me how they will accomplish the above list regardless of party affiliation.

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
Is the NWO elite getting ready to throw their newest puppet under the bus? All the socialists like Sanders have to do is just say, oh wow look what a mess he made and he's not a real socialist after all. LOL

edit on 23-7-2011 by ThirdEyeofHorus because: (no reason given)

Sanders has actually been pretty critical of Obama for quite some time. He's a weekly guest on the Thom Hartmann show and he usually doesn't say too many nice things about Obama, and this goes back at least a couple years. Sanders, at least to me, comes across as a genuinely honest person, unlike most of the politicians that get air time on TV and through the media these days.

Every time I hear Sanders speak, though, it amazes me that this man was actually elected into office in today's political climate in America. Where the Tea Party gets a lot of attention from the media and where the political paradigm that is fed to the American public is continually being shifted to the right, right, right.

Originally posted by CynicalWabbit
1. gainful employment (not the low paying service industry jobs that are being created)
2. fair pay (employee salaries are running behind inflation currently)
3. a fair cost health care (not a government run health care system that would be another epic fail)
4. a guarantee that social security will be there when they retire (many of us have paid into the system for 30-50 years)
5. less taxes (at all levels of government)
6. a less intrusive federal government (we don't need big brother telling us what to do 24/7)

You definitely won't be getting that from the Republicans (except for MAYBE 5 and 6, but don't forget about the Patriot Act, etc.) and you probably won't be getting that from the Democrats, either. Ron Paul? Nope, not him either. Sorry to be a Debbie Downer!

reply to post by CynicalWabbit

1. gainful employment (not the low paying service industry jobs that are being created)

This is not governments job . The best thing they can do is get the hell out of the way lower taxes and regulations and watch the jobs be created by businesses. Governments do not create jobs they kill them!

2. fair pay (employee salaries are running behind inflation currently)

Again not the governments job. Forced wage rates kill jobs and force businesses to lay off people and not hire people because they cannot afford to operate with as many employees at forced rates. Again they need to get the hell out of the way.

3. a fair cost health care (not a government run health care system that would be another epic fail)

Again not there job. If you allow them to force rates then it is government run. Their intervention is already the cause of such high cost health care. The same applies get government out of it and natural market forces will bring prices down.

4. a guarantee that social security will be there when they retire (many of us have paid into the system for 30-50 years)

Well at least for the current payees but allow the young to opt out and phase it out eventually. Government has no business here either.

5. less taxes (at all levels of government)
6. a less intrusive federal government (we don't need big brother telling us what to do 24/7)

Agree however the last two contradict all the others You can't have all the others with government intervening and expect less taxes and less government intrusion.