Satan's Music?

reply to post by BirdOfillOmen


oh those 3 i gave the crabs to,?
You can have em.
What no like radiohead?

reply to post by SeekerLou


Seeker I don't know what's going on with you brother ? But it isn't healthy. Are you having a problem with me taking some interest in this later generation ? And trying to understand the world through their eyes ? UsU me if you need to but please dude, don't troll your own thread ?

reply to post by randyvs

what's a troll?

lol I'm just messing around
Ok you guys, I realize my error. and now know what a troll is. Please accept my appologies, yep even you birdman Seriously I was just messin' around. So am sorry. truly....

They TRIED to provoke me....intentionally... imo it was only fair to play back.

reply to post by Solasis


He doesn't need a source.

God helped him type that.

Doubt these guys are satanic.

They sure kick a lot of ass though!

Originally posted by SeekerLou
reply to post by randyvs

 

what's a troll?

lol I'm just messing around

As long as you're ok ? Then what ever ! You been herea fair amount of time, so you should know how things work with the Mods and all. I'm not threatning you . It's just hard to know what's going thru a persons mind when all we have is text to decipher. You know?


Troll ? Good question ? Can you google that one and get back to us ?

No harm done as far I'm concerned. Bird looks like a pretty tough kid .

reply to post by randyvs


didn't mean to cause you to get concerned either.... sorry bout that too. Please forgive... ya know, like Jesus does!

reply to post by SeekerLou


Forgive what?

FnS

The site isn't letting me upload media for some reason. I wanted to share a song from my favorite band ever...Clutch.

They rock! I think you guys might like them. This is a song from their first album way way back. Their sound has evolved to not quite this hard, but they are great musicians and put on one heck of a show.

The song is called Binge and Purge from the album Transnational Speedway League.

Reply to post by BirdOfillOmen

The thing that really turns me off a lot of black metal isn't the music itself but the people behind it.

Rampant neo-nazism, hyprocrisy and homophobia are just a few from the top of my head.


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reply to post by Goathief


That's generally only NSBM. While some of these things were present in the Inner Circle, it was still only a few members like Faust ( who has pretty much left metal altogether, with the exception of writing a few songs here and there) and Varg (who any metal fan will tell you is completely crazy.)

in response to all you nancy boy queers bitching bout the quality of the music that i posted. thats real black metal. not any of the symphonic bull # others have posted. black metal is supposed to sound un-settleing. make your skin craw. this type of black metal is how BM should be done in my opinion. im one of those people who like BM that think those bands arent ture or kvlt. its just not my thing. no fun, no mosh, no core.

Originally posted by Upthepunx
in response to all you nancy boy queers bitching bout the quality of the music that i posted. thats real black metal. not any of the symphonic bull # others have posted. black metal is supposed to sound un-settleing. make your skin craw. this type of black metal is how BM should be done in my opinion. im one of those people who like BM that think those bands arent ture or kvlt. its just not my thing. no fun, no mosh, no core.

Translation:

I am deeply offended that you do not appreciate my favorite music. I consider that music genuine to its genre because it evokes certain emotions. There is also music I do not care for because it does not instill in me the feelings I prefer.

reply to post by Upthepunx


However, a genre needs to evolve or else it will stagnate the same way death metal has. All of the founders seem to have realized this. Bathory quickly moved away from the straight up BM sound to incorporate more classical influence and this lead to Quorthon's best work. Darkthrone have pursued their black 'n roll sound. Emperor's last two albums were more symphonic metal than black metal and now Ihsahn has his progressive act. Varg did the whole ambient thing and that is still reflected in his work now that he's out of prison. Mayhem have are more post-black now than straight up black metal. Enslaved have been drawing on more and more of a progressive sound for years now. And then there's Sigh...

reply to post by Xcalibur254


That's not really true, the extreme right is quite prevalent in many aspects of black metal (and it's related underground genres) in general. It's rare to find a hardcore BM fan who listens to anything made by non-white men. Indeed, how many black metallers are not Caucasian? Sure, there are pockets in nearly every country where it has expanded and developed over the years but at it's core and homelands it is rife.

I think it would be disingenuous for someone to claim there isn't much Nazism in the BM scene, with it only being fringe or marginalised. How many times do BM artists have to refer to their (Aryan) ancestors, German military, and even notions like Blood and Soil? It's everywhere. Take the band Marduk, for example. I remember when their album "Panzer Division Marduk" came out to much approval on the BM scene, this would not be regarded as NSBM (National Socialist Black Metal - for those wondering) in and of itself, and even the band members would suggest they merely used the theme of World War II for an album when faced with an unsympathetic interviewer. However, on further questioning one of them said, "Marduk want to prevent immigration to Sweden and that I was proud over the fact that my grandfather was a serving German officer during the second World War".

Plausible deniability.

One could argue at least figureheads like Varg wear their colours on their sleeve, and have berated newer school bands for cowardice on this subject. I do not agree that the majority of BM fans hold extreme right views. I might even suggest that a fair number of them do not realise the full ideology behind much of the music and just appreciate the overall sound (much like I did when first introduced to it), but I feel people should be made aware.

Maybe it really has changed since my departure of ways with old friends who went on to become quite successful in the scene, but I remain very sceptical until evidence indicates otherwise. Please don't consider this post an attack on you or your musical tastes, but rather my personal experience and opinion. You seem intelligent, well-versed and polite - maybe BM is quite different in the USA?

reply to post by Goathief


For one you can make the claim that there aren't many non-white people in metal in general, not just BM. However, there is a prominent BM scene in both Japan and South America. When it comes to comments about race and the like, it is generally not meant in a Nazistic way, but more in a national pride type way. Most of these bands don't advocate the killing of others, but at the same time they are seeking to preserve their heritage, which they believe has already been raped by Christianity. Then there's also the fact that a lot of these bands are merely putting on a front. Just look at Gaahl of Gorgoroth. Magazines everywhere were labeling him the most extreme man in metal, but he is now an openly gay man with his own fashion line.

As for BM in America, I'd say it's throwing off the yoke of the classic Norwegian sound a defining its own sound. It seems like a lot of bands are moving towards either the depressive sound of Xasthur and Leviathan, the atmospheric sound of Wolves in the Throne Room, or folk sound of Agalloch.

Here are some more non metal dark evil sounds I like.

fields of nephilim



Carcrash international


Sisters of Mercy


45 Grave


Christian Death


X-marks the pedwalk

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Leather Strip


I love dark music. It makes me happy.

Aesthetic Perfection

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Skinny Puppy

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Frontline Assembly

For those of you unaware the above song is from 1990 redone with modern video kinda creepy how spot on it is eh?
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reply to post by traditionaldrummer


To a certain extent I was yes. The death of Bonzo was one thing, Robert plants son also died and a few other things, all which prevented them from going on a HUGE comeback tour. If they had have done that tour they would have been massive again and continued their work for much longer. These things all happened JUST prior to the tour...I think there is a link. Have a look into the house Jimmy owned, theres more to Jimmy's work than people know. en.wikipedia.org...

Originally posted by traditionaldrummer

Originally posted by Upthepunx
in response to all you nancy boy queers bitching bout the quality of the music that i posted. thats real black metal. not any of the symphonic bull # others have posted. black metal is supposed to sound un-settleing. make your skin craw. this type of black metal is how BM should be done in my opinion. im one of those people who like BM that think those bands arent ture or kvlt. its just not my thing. no fun, no mosh, no core.

Translation:

I am deeply offended that you do not appreciate my favorite music. I consider that music genuine to its genre because it evokes certain emotions. There is also music I do not care for because it does not instill in me the feelings I prefer.

im not offended that you dont like the one of the kinds of music i like. i happen to like more than raw black metal. but you seam to think you have me figured out wirth is pretty common on the internet. so yea think what you want bud you know nothing about me.