The Absolute Truth About The Tea Party!

Originally posted by projectvxn
reply to post by bruji76

 

Most rich people in this country didn't start out that way.

I hope to one day be rich after producing something that changes society for the better.

I hope to have a large company with many employees. A company that is profitable and provides good wages and incentives.

So what? The achievements of the past of a family (in case such existed, because some as bankers were plainly robbing people) gives them the right to slave other humans for all eternity?
The thing remains, for a few to be rich, most should be poor. Do you really think that is fair?

reply to post by EarthCitizen07

And that is why capitalism is doomed to fail. Everything revolves around profit at the expense of a society living as harmonious as possible with nature and its actual needs. Why do we need an economy based on greed rather than an economy based on needs.

Because life isn't all about needs. People want things too. People want to live nicely and comfortably. People want to have nice things and pass on those nice things to their kids or share their wealth voluntarily with others. Capitalism has provided much more than profit to society. The personal computer, which you use right now to denigrate capitalism, was created in a feat of capitalism it has changed the world for the better.

Greed encourages over-production, small worker wages, maximum profit, neglect for the enviroment, etc It goes against the needs of the many and benefits the wishes of the minority. Its a recipe for waste and corruption!

Greed does not inherently do this. Greed is a product of the human condition not of capitalism. That's why you see rich Marxists like Fidel Castro in Cuba, while the population live in run down buildings and shacks. If greed were a sole property of capitalism there would be no greed in Cuba and no ruling class. But alas, there is.

EarthCitizen - exactly, it is bound to fail, that's why we have to hit certain evolutionary points, the pinnacle would be free energy. So say some tribe lives in a wonderful communal fashion and live harmoniously with the Universe and are deeply spiritual people, well that's great and all, but they're not going to be able to create free energy. So we need a system that allows us to become economically and technologically advanced so that we can end up with free energy and then evolve back into a more communal society. The economy is everything, if it's working very well, we have much less a need for the "safety net", but when a huge safety net is foced upon an economy that isn't doing well, it merely makes everything much much worse. So the point is to get such a successful economy that we can have these social programs, but the problem with the economy is that eventually you get an oligopoly and transnational megacorps. But Tesla's work happened in the early 1900s, so we should have had these wonderful advancements, which a Leftist economy would never create, and this would have helped balanced against Big Biz. So all of the problems with Capitalism these days comes from the fact that we have long since passed our evolutionary jump. So even if we demolished the Fed/IMF/World Bank, got a Fair Tax, backed money with gold, and all of those good things just short of kicking out the Illuminati and benefitting from their Black Budget technology and contact with ETs, we would still have some problems, though things would be much better. So Capitalism that skips over free energy will have many problems, but trying to fix it with anything Leftist just causes even more problems.

To all those speaking out against Capitalism and using your Leftist talking points, what is your suggestion for setting up the perfect economy? Then what would you do to this economy presently to make it perfect? And give us an answer that doesn't share anything with what the TP/C/Ls would suggest, since they're all just billionaire shills.

Originally posted by neo96
reply to post by bruji76

 

well good luck waiting on your free handout of land and good luck getting your free handout for all those material resources and good luck getting someone to help with all the labor.

nothing is free in this country if someone doesnt get anything out of it good luck

But that's exactly the point. Why should only some privileged ones to have power over all resources?
Why should resources to be owned only by a few?

Originally posted by SincerelySarcastic
EarthCitizen - exactly, it is bound to fail, that's why we have to hit certain evolutionary points, the pinnacle would be free energy. So say some tribe lives in a wonderful communal fashion and live harmoniously with the Universe and are deeply spiritual people, well that's great and all, but they're not going to be able to create free energy. So we need a system that allows us to become economically and technologically advanced so that we can end up with free energy and then evolve back into a more communal society. The economy is everything, if it's working very well, we have much less a need for the "safety net", but when a huge safety net is foced upon an economy that isn't doing well, it merely makes everything much much worse. So the point is to get such a successful economy that we can have these social programs, but the problem with the economy is that eventually you get an oligopoly and transnational megacorps. But Tesla's work happened in the early 1900s, so we should have had these wonderful advancements, which a Leftist economy would never create, and this would have helped balanced against Big Biz. So all of the problems with Capitalism these days comes from the fact that we have long since passed our evolutionary jump. So even if we demolished the Fed/IMF/World Bank, got a Fair Tax, backed money with gold, and all of those good things just short of kicking out the Illuminati and benefitting from their Black Budget technology and contact with ETs, we would still have some problems, though things would be much better. So Capitalism that skips over free energy will have many problems, but trying to fix it with anything Leftist just causes even more problems.

To all those speaking out against Capitalism and using your Leftist talking points, what is your suggestion for setting up the perfect economy? Then what would you do to this economy presently to make it perfect? And give us an answer that doesn't share anything with what the TP/C/Ls would suggest, since they're all just billionaire shills.

Did you ever read Marx?
In case free energy is indeed possible, then it would only ease the path to a socialist system, btw.

reply to post by bruji76

So what? The achievements of the past of a family (in case such existed, because some as bankers were plainly robbing people) gives them the right to slave other humans for all eternity? The thing remains, for a few to be rich, most should be poor. Do you really think that is fair?

Slave others?

Is apple computers slaving others? No. Steve Jobs got rich because he put his mind to something and achieved his goals. Are you saying mr. jobs has no right to pass his wealth onto his family?

The problem with Marxists like you is that you don't believe anyone should ever own anything. That leads to THEFT by others while they call it the greater good. The end result is that no one has anything but what the government gives them as the sole party responsible for rationing out the greater good.

reply to post by bruji76

more of the entitlement mentality

privledged? do you know how many millionaires and billionaires became that way?

most of them grew up in slums and it was only from hard work and alot of sweat and alot of tears and more hard work and it took yearts to accomplish.

do you think those priviledge few just had everything handed to them on a silver platter? no

the reason they are successful is because they have never blamed anyone else for their problems and they knew if they were ever going to get anywhere in life THEY HAD TO DO IT.

reply to post by bruji76


Some of us don't have to read Marx. Though I have.

My family is from Cuba. A MARXIST country.

All I need to know right there.

reply to post by bruji76


Yes i have 2 kids and now they wont have to fight the way i did or my dad. I plan on being able to help them in ways it just wasnt possible for my father. My dad did the best he could he came here from Germany no money but he worked hard provided me with clothes food and a house to live in.And above all else taught me two things 1 if you want something you need to work for it and second that the only thing in life that can hold you back is YOU! Now by my labors i will be able to do more for my son (at least i hope so). So by your logic because im working hard to make money i shouldn't be able to help my son because thats not fair???????????

Everyone has the same abilities yes some have to work harder then others but this is life. Life isn't fair nor should it be.Adversity builds character creates art literature and yes even inventions. But the individual has to want it and not accept any thing else but achieving there goals. That is what America is about giving you the freedom to become what ever you want and the ability to do so. Its not to guarantee anything capitalism can be harsh but it also grants you freedoms that some people in the world can only dream of. Thats why my dad came here in fact thats why most of our ancestors came here just that chance to make life better.

Sorry i ranted but yes its fair rich people can give there kids a leg up!!!!

bruji - I've read some quotes and I've gotten a general idea, but when someone is writing lies meant to deceive people, it doesn't really matter if I've actually read it. It's like me calling Chris Matthews a Lib shill, I've seen and heard enough to know. Reagan sums it up well, "How do you tell a Communist? Well, it's someone who reads Marx and Lenin. And how do you tell an anti-Communist? It's someone who understands Marx and Lenin."

From Fritz Springmeier, at rense.com, "The Bund der Gerechten (League of the Just) was an illuminati front run mainly by Jews who were Satanists. This Bund financed in part by the Rothschilds paid the Satanist and Mason Karl Marx to write the Communist Manefesto. The Jew Gumpel Oppenheim was in the inner circle of the Bund. His relative Heinrich Oppenheim masterminded the communist revolution of 1848 in Germany. The Communist Party's official histories even accept the Bund as the predecessor of Communism." - That's all I need to read.

"1 if you want something you need to work for it and second that the only thing in life that can hold you back is YOU!" - Does Marx say this?

Originally posted by neo96
reply to post by bruji76

 

privledged? do you know how many millionaires and billionaires became that way?

most of them grew up in slums and it was only from hard work and alot of sweat and alot of tears and more hard work and it took yearts to accomplish.

do you think those priviledge few just had everything handed to them on a silver platter? no

the reason they are successful is because they have never blamed anyone else for their problems and they knew if they were ever going to get anywhere in life THEY HAD TO DO IT.

Yes, privileged. Once they reached the status quo, they became privileged. And most didn't even reach it themselves but inherited it from family, or won it by frauds, etc (example: Bill Gates and Microsoft fraudulent ways). Make me a favor, read The Capital so you won't keep on repeating propaganda.

reply to post by bruji76


I defy you to prove with documentation that Microsoft committed fraud and that Bill Gates is a fraud.

Originally posted by beezzer

Originally posted by drew1749

Originally posted by beezzer
reply to post by drew1749

 

No offense received. You're obviously a leftist bigot who hates people who disagree with your party line. Care to share more of your delightful insight?

Yes let us make assumptions.

You are obviously a person who thinks Obama is the anti-christ.

See I can say things without proof also.

My Insight? My insight is this:

Ignorance - The condition of being uneducated, unaware, or uninformed.

So you ignored videos just because you had a feeling that they were propaganda? Right?

I don't need to watch Janene Garafelo to know she's going to say something stupid. That's like saying , "Why don't you hit yourself with a hammer? Do you KNOW it's goin to hurt?"
I don't think Obama is the anti-christ though nice try changing the narritive. I think he's a progressive who wants to fundamentally change America.
And you are still being biased and uninformed. But follow that party line!

.......

Well you don't know me. Not that I expect you to but I'm not for the "left"

I'm Pro Life and Anti-War. What party line do you mean???

I mean come on. I said I hate the tea-party. They seem very against America. Maybe I have a biased view of them.

reply to post by projectvxn


Not true.

Originally posted by SincerelySarcastic
bruji - I've read some quotes and I've gotten a general idea, but when someone is writing lies meant to deceive people, it doesn't really matter if I've actually read it. It's like me calling Chris Matthews a Lib shill, I've seen and heard enough to know. Reagan sums it up well, "How do you tell a Communist? Well, it's someone who reads Marx and Lenin. And how do you tell an anti-Communist? It's someone who understands Marx and Lenin."

From Fritz Springmeier, at rense.com, "The Bund der Gerechten (League of the Just) was an illuminati front run mainly by Jews who were Satanists. This Bund financed in part by the Rothschilds paid the Satanist and Mason Karl Marx to write the Communist Manefesto. The Jew Gumpel Oppenheim was in the inner circle of the Bund. His relative Heinrich Oppenheim masterminded the communist revolution of 1848 in Germany. The Communist Party's official histories even accept the Bund as the predecessor of Communism." - That's all I need to read.

edit on 23-4-2011 by SincerelySarcastic because: (no reason given)

The thing is to read both sides, and take your own conclusions. I think if you don't actually read the sources, you would only be affected by propaganda. So read pro-capitalists (like Ricardo and Adam Smith to begin), and read Marx or Kropotkin, and read other authors if you want. Only through knowledge it's that you can develop a free opinion on your own.

reply to post by bruji76


guess warren buffet inherited all his wealth

guess mark zuckerberg had all his money handed to him too

guess larry page and sergery brin had all that wealth handed to him to


privileged after they earned their money and the rights to whatever they do with the fruits of their labors.


propaganda is what you have been ranting on for the last few pages of the thread

because you feel that your ENTITLED to what you didnt earn

More Liberal Lies, The Tea Party is a Party made up of the people for once for the people. And scares the death out of both parties final. So all they can do is make up lies and false propaganda.. Don't fall for the BS. a part of the people for the people. Not since the revolution has that happened. And no they are not racists. We are getting taxed to DEATH. And they still can't balance the budget. Isn't it about time the American wake up?????

Originally posted by angelchanneller
reply to post by projectvxn

 

Not true.

More than two words would be appreciated.

Or do you have nothing to add?

Originally posted by projectvxn
reply to post by bruji76

 

I defy you to prove with documentation that Microsoft committed fraud and that Bill Gates is a fraud.

There's tons over there. Just to name one, on the top of my mind, I remember in the old days of Windows 3.1 for Microsoft DOS they were sued by another software company who made their own DOS, that Windows had a hidden code so it won't install in their version of DOS, but not because they were not compatible, but because the program actually was designed to install only after checking it was Microsoft DOS and not other version the one in the PC.
Also, it is pretty known the fact, that actually Bill Gates didn't actually developed DOS, but bought it cheaply to another programmer and later sold it for millions to IBM. Also he robbed Windows ideas from Apple Mac. Just search the web, there's tons of evidence about that.

bruji, you need to stop making such general claims, you're just like the Left, you speak out against the "rich", but you only ever end up hurting the "so-called rich", which in turns hurts us greatly, which benefits Big Biz and Gov. The Left are just as much for the uber-elite rich as the establishment Republicans. The Left wants everyone to be poor, while Individualists want everyone to be rich. Instead of using words like Conservative and Libertarian, we should use Individualist, it's what Ayn Rand was, she understood that Big Biz was just as big a threat as Big Gov, something many modern Conservatives try to ignore.

Now here are some socialism quotes that sum it up well: Here's from Orwell's Animal Farm, "No one believes more firmly than Comrade Napoleon that all animals are equal. He would be only too happy to let you make your decisions for yourselves. But sometimes you might make the wrong decisions, comrades, and then where should we be?" "All that year the animals worked like slaves. But they were happy in their work; they grudged no effort or sacrifice, well aware that everything they did was for the benefit of themselves and those of their kind who would come after them, and not for a pack of idle, thieving human beings." "They were always cold, and usually hungry as well." "They had come to a time when no one dared speak his mind, when fierce, growling dogs roamed everywhere, and when you had to watch your comrades torn to pieces after confessing to shocking crimes." "some of the animals remembered--or thought they remembered--that the Sixth Commandment decreed 'No animal shall kill any other animal.' And though no one cared to mention it in the hearing of the pigs or the dogs, it was felt that the killings which had taken place did not square with this." "It had become usual to give Napoleon the credit for every successful achievement and every stroke of good fortune." "Besides, in those days they had been slaves and now they were free, and that made all the difference, as Squealer did not fail to point out." "ALL ANIMALS ARE EQUAL, BUT SOME ARE MORE EQUAL THAN OTHERS" "No question now, what had happened to the faces of the pigs. The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which."

Here are some relevant 1984 quotes, "Parsons was Winston's fellow employee at the Ministry of Truth. He was a fattish but active man of paralyzing stupidity, a mass of imbecile enthusiasms-one of those completely unquestioning, devoted drudges on whom, more even than on the thought police, the stability of the Party depended." "Nearly all children nowadays were horrible. What was worst of all was that by means of such organizations as the Spies they were systematically turned into ungovernable little savages, and yet this produced in them no tendency whatever to rebel against the discipline of the Party. On the contrary, they adored the Party and everything connected with it... All their ferocity was turned outwards, against the enemies of the State, against foreigners, traitors, saboteurs, thought-criminals. It was almost normal for people over thirty to be frightened of their own children." "And if all others accepted the lie which the Party imposed-if all records told the same tale-then the lie passed into history and became truth. 'Who controls the past' ran the Party slogan, 'controls the future: who controls the present controls the past.'" "Don't you see that the whole aim of Newspeak is to narrow the range of thought?... Has it ever occurred to your, Winston, that by the year 2050, at the very latest, not a single human being will be alive who could understand such a conversation as we are having now?... The whole climate of thought will be different. In fact, there will be no thought, as we understand it now. Orthodoxy means not thinking-not needing to think. Orthodoxy is unconsciousness." "If there was hope, it must lie in the proles, because only there, in those swarming disregarded masses, eighty-five percent of the population of Oceania, could the force to destroy the Party ever be generated." "Until they become conscious they will never rebel, and until after they have rebelled they cannot become conscious." "The citizen of Oceania is not allowed to know anything of the tenets of the other two philosphies, but he is taught to execrate them as barbarous outrages upon morality and common sense. Actually, the three philosophies are barely distinguishable." "Oceania has no capital, and its titular head is a person whose whereabouts nobody knows." "It was curious to think that the sky was the same for everybody, in Eurasia or Eastasia as well as here. And the people under the sky were also very much the same--everywhere, all over the world, hundreds or thousands of millions of people just like this, people ignorant of one another's existence, held apart by walls of hatred and lies, and yet almost exactly the same--people who had never learned to think but were storing up in their hearts and bellies and muscles the power that would one day overturn the world."

So many of the exact same problems in Capitalism are found in Communism, which are basically the problem of centralization of power and resources, both of which free energy fixes. Attacking the Free Market to fix Capitalism's problems would be like attacking minimum wage to fix Communism's problems, they solve nothing and only cause more problems. George Soros is a perfect example of what's wrong with Capitalism, but he's a major liberal figure, so the Left have no problem with him, even as he purposely destroys the dollar.