$3.25 gas/gallon now, where is the outrage?

reply to post by saltheart foamfollower

I wonder if the new Food Bill is going to shut down your garden. Some are saying it will. Will have to check once they get the regulations up and running. The legislation means nothing until it is codified.

The key phrase is:

""in any action to enforce the requirements of the food safety law, the connection with interstate commerce required for jurisdiction SHALL BE PRESUMED TO EXIST."

It was in the original bill HR875 and you can bet your booties it will end up attached to the law soon if it is not already in it.

The Commerce Clause:
A farmer was growing wheat for his own use “The government claimed that if Mr. Filburn grew wheat for his own use, he would not be buying it — and that affected interstate commerce” The Supreme court found against the farmer!!!
www.fff.org...

PA Church Ladies Raided by ‘Food Safety’ Cops

SWAT Team conducts food raid in rural Ohio

reply to post by saltheart foamfollower


its not the making its the pricing of the supplys in hand, it cost to drill, to tap into supply and ship, and to distill into product (gas), its a user market, and people pay, to get to work, ship goods, even on trains when shipping, on so on (flying anyone)

reply to post by Shikamaru


its supply and demand, we demand, they supply, we complain, they cut the flow, i stood on line, even and odd days to fuel up at .30 cents a gl. back in the 70's not once but twice for those who remember that time, (opec) remember them

If someone has posted this between pages 4-6 I apologise
Over here in the UK, costs are as follows:

1 US Gal - 4.454 Litres
1 Litre Diesel = 1.29
Price per gallon = £5.91
Converted to dollars = $9.37 Per Gallon

What a bargain!!
We are hammered in the UK by the government
Here is a link to the breakdown of fuel costs over here.

UK Petrol - How the costs break down

Thing is I recall the fuel protests in 2000 when petrol wasnt close to the cost now, and it just goes up and up, and no one ever does anything about it.
Historic Fuel Prices
Come on truckers where are you?

Here's your answer, petrol guzzlers : www.teslamotors.com...

Originally posted by saltheart foamfollower
reply to post by bone13

 

Peak oil is a fairy tale.

IMO, it is the absolute limit that the entire world can create the production of oil and would not be able to create enough to sustain society.

It is RUBBISH. Heck that story has been around for 5 decades now.

Same story with the peak food possibility. Rubbish.

I do not think you are saying that, just giving my viewpoint on peak oil.

Peak oil may be.. But Futures are very real and deadly. I think this is a big reason we're having alot of problems. People with the stock cater to the ones that just want to sit on it for a while untill they feel it's time to sell. This should not happen with consumables, period!

reply to post by FraternitasSaturni


Yes it could be a LOT worse, I could live in Europe, where the people have been programmed to believe paying a 500% tax is a GOOD THING.

What gets me is how much it gone up in recent years. I mean come on, going from $40-60 a barrel = $ 0.89-0.98 per gallon to $75-90 per barrel and $3.20-4.50 per gallon (Hawaii and Alaska I can understand being a smidge high, but c'mon).

I don't understand, it hasn't cost them much more produce. I did some figures one day, and I came to the conclusion that if they charged $1.50 per gallon they would still make hundreds of millions net profit. Thats net mind you, not gross.

Lower the gas prices, and people would drive more, make random trips just to drive around. People would buy trucks and SUV's, tus stimulating the Auto industry again, and more importantly, I think it would help stimulate the Economy. Small business (transportation and shipping, trucking, ect..) would be able to stay in busiess, and the cost of goods would come down.

Having gas prices so high has nothing to do with the cost, it is all about GREED!!! They know we can not live with out it, so they will turn the screws til they draw blood.

reply to post by theRhenn


Well, what you bring up is called hedging also.

I know of farmers that do this on two things. They buy futures on both the products they create and fuel.

This does one thing, this creates a buffer against loss. It actually decreases profits if the price on the product goes up and if the price of fuel goes down.

But, it is a type of insurance that if the price of the product drops, they do not lose their shirts.

Hedging is important to stabilize risk. It is not always used to manipulate.

I've been noticing it but since the last inflation of gas prices I must of lost track of what was too expensive and what was acceptable. I guess the question how much is too much??? Will people pay $10.00/gallon? (God I hope not)

Well here in the UK the Tanker drivers are about to go on Strike...and theres a growing Facebook community about it

Man the Blockades boys!

reply to post by FraternitasSaturni


How is the public transportation infrastructure in your country? How far of a commute do you have to work or to basic services like a grocery store? We don't has bus routes where I live or a train to take. No subways or anything of that nature. I realize that other countries have higher fuel costs compared to the US, however these are also countries where a 40 MPG car is the norm not the exception, countries that have trains and buses available for an entire city. I drive a car that gets 30 MPG and consider myself fairly lucky I live as close to my job as I do. Things are just a little bit different on our side of the world.

reply to post by TreX-UK


Well, you guys over in the UK should have people that call for higher taxes.

We have them over here in the US, we call em Democrats. Hehehehehe

reply to post by havenvideo


Being lazy is precisely what this type of movement needs. If everybody was lazy for a week, the world economy would literally be shot to hell. Of course people would lose their jobs, money, etc etc, and it would be a terrible thing to them. But it would send out some sort of message to whoever gave a crap.

reply to post by saltheart foamfollower



mate we are probley the most taxed nation on the planet.. over half of uk Petrol/Diesel revenue goes to the goverment in tax we are paying around $5.24 and your moaning about that ...pfft

In Scotland, UK, the price of a gallon is £5.69 that is just over $9. So we pay three times less a couple of cents on a gallon of petrol!!! We have the oil fields off the north of Scotland but we don't see any benefit from them. I don't know why there is no mass rallies fighting this extreme price? Businesses are the worst affected like haulage, taxi, bus and deliveries companies.

reply to post by TreX-UK


I posted it earlier about the UK tax on petrol. It is actually more like 81% taxes.

Which broken down comes to 19%=product so what times that = 100%

So you actually have a 526% tax on your petrol. Oh yeah, I want to pay the same as the UK!

If the US was to pay the same rate as you, we would be paying $2.50 or so times that by 526% = $13.50 per gallon

Oh yeah, if the Dems had their way as OLD OBAMA said "If we implement my plans on energy, prices would necessarily skyrocket."

The last straw for colonists regarding King George III was like a penny tax on tea.

That is why the tea party has exploded here. If you add up the myriad of taxation, property, sales, corporate, death, income, social security, medicare, permits, licenses, etc etc etc, I have come to the conclusion we pay here in the states about 30-90% of what you earn to the government. Depending on if you pay income taxes or not.

Democrats are retarded

These internationalist democrats who want a one socialist world should go live in India for a few days

In order for us to be in a one world order the first world countries need to be ruined and brought down to third world countries

Then the democrats will be happy we are all equal

Originally posted by ADUB77
You are paying 86 cents a litre

In Canada, we are paying about 1.10 a litre, or 4.17 a gallon

The sadder part is it is Canada's oil

I paid $1.27 a litre here in Australia yesterday and the $Au/$US exchange rate is about par.

The US has the cheapest gasoline/petrol prices in the world and they are still complaining!

There hiding oil again.

The oil rail car to pipeline facility that i pass on the way to my doctors was full and 60 full rail cars parked at there site.
(mojave calif L&L 35.0295395N 188.1651688W)
this was one of the places they hid oil the last time the prices went up.

Its time to start tracking oil tanker movement and to see what they are doing.
The last time oil prices went up they hid oil on tankers and every other place they could find.
www.marinetraffic.com...

if tankers stop moving or doing other strange things we will know they are manipulating to oil supply again