Why Sarah Palin is Guilty!

reply to post by GogoVicMorrow

Originally posted by GogoVicMorrow
Actually she called for the murder of Julian Assange.

Actually she didn't. I quickly looked it up:



I didn't realize, however, Huckabee made such a ridiculous statement.

The art of poitics is one of making political capital and frankly show business. Under these conditions rhetoric and hyperbole is very common. Those who lack cogent political arguments often hid behind such smoke and mirrors because they are ideologically bankrupt. I am not being partisan in any way.

But even in old days there were nutjobs with a whiff of politics doing bad things.

My first post on here so bare with me:

Jared Loughner was a far left liberal and was mad at Rep. Gabrielle Giffords because she voted against Nancy Pelosi on immigration issues.
If you read all his post on Myspace and watch his videos and some blogs he posted on other sites, He basicalys says hes gonns do it.
I will try and find the link to the page that i'm quoting.

Originally posted by loam
reply to post by GogoVicMorrow

 

Originally posted by GogoVicMorrow
Actually she called for the murder of Julian Assange.

Actually she didn't. I quickly looked it up:

And you think the US 'pursuit' of taliban and Al Qaeda leaders isn't violent and often involves them being killed?

Of course it does.

Remember Bush talking about the 'old posters out west' saying' wanted dead or alive', when talking about Bin Laden?

Palin's words were of exactly the same outrageous type as those of other politicians who called for Assange's assassination, just marginally less explicit.

But I think its naive to think that her saying that Assange should pursued in the same manner as leaders of Al Qaeda does't suggest his being removed as a problem 'dead or alive'.

reply to post by Malcram


There we go again with attenuated conclusions...

Why do you necessarily equate aggressive pursuit with violence or execution? Moreover, she doesn't mention Bin Laden. So assigning Bush's comments to her are equally ridiculous. I'll leave alone the fact that where Bin Laden is concerned he *IS* an actual terrorist hell bent of harming Americans. But anywho, I assume you have no interest in letting the facts get in the way of your political point.

Honestly, you people are spooky as all hell...

reply to post by loam


Her words resonated enough with a known wacko to where he went out and did it.

She didn't pull the trigger but she is certainly guilty by association.

People need to consider the vitriol against Sarah Palin, and the fact that their rants may ALSO give some nut the idea to attack her. It is amazing that those who condemn her for this atrocious act, are inviting others to "target" her.
It is also amazing that President Obama's right-hand Chief of Staff for two years did this, and I didn't hear anything from the left about that:

On the night after the 1996 election, "(Rahm) Emanuel was so angry at the president's enemies that he stood up at a celebratory dinner with colleagues from the campaign, grabbed a steak knife and began rattling off a list of betrayers, shouting 'Dead! ... Dead! ... Dead!' and plunging the knife into the table after every name."

www.google.com...

That well-known deed did not stop President Obama from making him White House Chief of Staff. His act was far more blatant than Palin's use of targeting an opponent.

reply to post by The Sword


Just because you say it's so, does not make it true.

I'm guessing you haven't read very much of this thread.

reply to post by ProfEmeritus


Because in the end, people who wish to make this point about Palin to the exclusion of all others aren't interested in intellectual honesty.

And what is most frightening is they do not see how this further weakens our society and paves the road to tyranny.

hitler is proof that violent rhetoric can turn ordinary citizens in violent evil murderers.

i've heard of case where parents have sued rock bands, websites closed downed because it promates hate, yet when politicians stir up anger and discontent they seem above the law and above lawsuits.

David Berkowitz did what a dog told him. Think about it.

What happened to freedom of speech?

Just because someone has crosshairs and a political party in them on there website, has nothing to do with a dude shooting someone. Whether that person is in politics or not.

" the website made me do it! "

Please......

We had a case here years ago......
Some mentally unstable man shot up his whole village....
They tried to blame that on him watching Rambo......

Again ...... Please......

This has nothing to do with Palin and even less to do with what's on her website.....

Did the dude play Modern warfare?

Maybe we could blame the game industry......

Maybe it was Bill Gates fault for putting COD on the Xbox?

What I would be looking at now is what happens .....
My guess......

The tea bag movement will be blamed.....
Glenn Beck has gotta be in there some where......

" those evil tea baggers "

More than meets the eye to this I feel.......

ello.....

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OP you said you would denounce obama where is it at....

My position is based on the fact that Sarah Palin, because of her popularity, has responsibilities as a human being to foster human interactions that don’t symbolize any violence towards people. What if the pope or other world leaders used such epithets towards people? If Obama did the same thing I would denounce him as well.

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reply to post by whaaa


The individual is at fault. Not the person speaking out. The people who you're pointing out as being dangerous, do you even listen to their speeches, watch their shows? What is the personal reaction that you experience when you see and hear them? It is up to the individual to come to their own conclusion about things, and find out how they feel. Most rational people do not resort to violence like these nutjobs do.

The people who want to harm others already wanted to harm others, using what someone else said as an excuse to perform the hurtful action is just a cop-out that was used in an attempt to avoid taking personal responsibility. Sarah Palin is being used as a scapegoat. And no, I am not a Sarah Palin supporter. I believe she makes a better mother figure than a politician, just like I believe that Obama makes a better public speaker and game show host than a politician.

Originally posted by lucid eyes

Originally posted by tiger5


Even in these sad times where all political debate is going to be suspect thereby making us all poorer you insist in your one person crusade. Are you really so soft on Nazis?

Let's deny ignorance. here is the author.

en.wikipedia.org...

OMG...are you guys suggesting "Mein Kampf" is not a book about Socialism? This place is just too bizzarre. Talk about revising History.

Both the "Communist Manifesto" and "Mein Kampf" are socialist hate-speech that are all about bringing the system down. Kids read it and if they are mentally unstable, they go kill.

Its as simple and clear cut as that.

O RLY?

Not because it matters, but a relative to our family was sent to the Dachau concentration camp for being a politician involved with the German Social Democratic Party (SPD) - he was sent there for imprisonment and "so called" "re-education" with other German Socialists and Communists 1933.

Despite the name - The German National Socialists were an authoritarian nationalistic Fascist party on the far right in the 1930's Germany, and in the beginning the NSDAP were in the Reichstag working together with the other German Conservative parties and The Nationalistic Farmer's Party - and on the other side of their aisle you could locate The Social Democratic Party, The Communist Party and other smaller Socialist parties.

National Socialism was the antithesis of Marxist Socialism on the political spectrum in the 1930's Germany!

And in my opinion! you as a Jewish guy should be ashamed of yourself in front of the whole world for spewing this history revision about German & European history, regurgitating this insane far-right American propaganda that Hitler was an European Socialist!

When in fact he sent many Union workers, Socialists & Communists to the concentration camps where many of them were murdered even before they came for the Jewish people.

This despicable history revision which is coming from some of you American guys really disgust me as an European!

IMO It's as equally bad as those morally corrupted souls who are claiming that the Holocaust never happened!

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On Topic:

IMHO! the infected political hatred and its vitriolic rhetoric in general and those who rile the people up against eachother with the useless partisanship bickering and its hate fueled political vitriol - all those in this environment, could perhaps be the the ones who are in some part guilty of Influencing the lesser mentally stable people to go over the edge?

Political hatred and vitriolic rhetoric on these levels can be dangerous for several reasons, and unfortunately & very sadly some people who are less stable mentally can perhaps not handle this current vitriolic political reality together with their illness - obviously, some can snap and be a danger to the rest of the public.

And never forget what happened before because of the vitriolic rhetoric, the political hatred and the vile political propaganda & brainwashing of the 1930's Germany, and G-d forbid if that would happen on a broader scale again anywhere in the world!

And btw! this is not about the Right or Left anymore! we should know better than that!

All those who still believe in the FALSE paradigm of the two party political system in America and elsewhere should remember that the elite above us actually rule through the Hegelian Dialectic with the:

Thesis-Antithesis-Synthesis.

Problem Reaction Solution! controlled opposition, the Left or Right - Red or Blue - does it really matter anymore?

Peace!

reply to post by ripcontrol


I have already posted threads denouncing the con-man Barack Obama. Look if you care to.

I think Barack Obama is almost as bad as Palin. In-fact that liar might be worse because he has intelligence and Sarah Palin, WADR, is intellectually challenged.

reply to post by randomname


The problem isn't the speaker himself or herself, it's the people listening, coupled with the speaker's attempt to censor the other means of retrieving information, as would be the case with Hitler. With the internet and access to an absurd amount of information, one is able to browse different avenues of information and knowledge, and form a better bigger picture.

It's like being locked in a room with only one means of receiving information, which would be a man or woman touting propaganda. The person in that room only has one way of accessing reality, and it's through that speaker. The world is known to the person in the room only as the speaker says it.

Then on the other end, it's like a person having access to libraries, contrasting speakers, books, movies, documents of all sorts, and having a massive amount of information that the person can use to come to an informed conclusion about something or other.

So it's nothing short of a cop out to place blame on the person speaking. That's tantamount to censorship in a different form. It's the fault of the individual acting out on how they are interpreting what someone says, not the speaker.

reply to post by randomname

Originally posted by randomname
hitler is proof that violent rhetoric can turn ordinary citizens in violent evil murderers.

That is an oversimplification. Germany had deep economic and social problems. Citizens who participated in the commission of atrocities didn't do so because they were 'talked' into it by the use of a silver tongue. They began with serious issues.

Originally posted by randomname
i've heard of case where parents have sued rock bands, websites closed downed because it promates hate, yet when politicians stir up anger and discontent they seem above the law and above lawsuits.

Ridiculous all the way around.

Sarh Palin can't make these mass killings happen. Netither can mind control, the media, even the CIA.

From my direct personal observations and reading the med literature (at least what is publicly available, and as a chem major at a research center during college):

It involves drugs, pharmaceuticals that they push down our throats every day with ads on the boob-tube ("please doctor, I need this! I saw it on TV!"). Don't think today's doctors won't give it to you.

Convincing you that because you are blue, depressed, confused, other meds ain't workin' etc...., that you need a drug whose action on the mind "is not fully understood"! "Caution: you may feel suicidal, or have strange thoughts..."! You just might jump off the edge, but that won't be included in the study! ("you're a statistical outlier, sorry..")

I grew up living in the nightmares of people who are test-specimens of the big-pharma industries. I am not a youngster anymore.

Some of the psychoactive drugs of this age are causing psychoses, just as they were in the mid 1960's onward.

BEWARE!

Despite the name - German National Socialists was an autoritarian nationalistic Fascist party on the far right in the 1930's Germany.

National Socialism was the antithesis of Marxist Socialism on the political spectrum in the 1930's Germany!

And in my opinion! you as a Jewish guy should be very ashamed of yourself in front of the whole world for spewing this history revision about German & European history, regurgitating this insane far-right American propaganda that Hitler was an European Socialist!

When in fact he sent many Union workers, Socialists & Communists to the concentration camps where many of them were murdered even before they came for the Jewish people.

This history revision coming from some of you American guys really disgust me as an European!

IMO It's as equally bad as those morally corrupted souls who are claiming that the Holocaust never happened!

Quoted for Truth!

Germany had deep economic and social problems. Citizens who participated in the commission of atrocities didn't do so because they were 'talked' into it by the use of a silver tongue. They began with serious issues.

I'd say Hitler's speeches incited violence, with his Brownshirts hanging on every word of it.