Best books on 9/11 ?

Just wanted to know if any of you guys had read any books on 9/11 that contest the official story. I read quite a bit on the internet and sometimes I guess it can be more informative and up to date than books because of the length of time it takes to publish. But I'd really like to do some hearty reading on it.

This one got nice reviews

www.amazon.com...=sr_1_7?ie=UTF8&qid=1293938115&sr=8-7

This looks like a good read too.

www.amazon.com...=sr_1_16?ie=UTF8&qid=1293938115&sr=8-16

www.amazon.com...=sr_1_21?ie=UTF8&qid=1293938361&sr=8-21

Thats a good one too.

Originally posted by eyesdown
Just wanted to know if any of you guys had read any books on 9/11 that contest the official story. I read quite a bit on the internet and sometimes I guess it can be more informative and up to date than books because of the length of time it takes to publish. But I'd really like to do some hearty reading on it.

Here's a wild and crazy question- do you even know what the "official story" even is? From the ridiculously elemental questions the conspiracy people keep asking it's obvious they only have some Wile E. Coyote cartoon BS understanding of the events of 9/11, with these "19 illiterate cave dwellers", "fires melted the steel", "no interceptors were scrambled", "no fires at WTC 7", and so on.

Before you go off and read the drivel these conspiracy con artists are pushing out for their financial gain, how about reading the 9/11 commission report first? For one thing, it's a public document so it's free for the downloading. For another, when some damned fool conspiracy con artist starts dropping innuendo about how suspicious it was that some sinister looking cargo plane was above the Pentagon during the attack, you'll already know it was a Minnesota Air Nationa Guard C-130 and you'll immediately see you're being given a snow job.

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If you want to read a whitewashed sanitized drivel of lies go ahead and read the 911 report. It has been so thoroughly debunked to no longer need address. Popular Mechanics did a study supposedly "debunking" conspiracy theories. There is book called Debunking 911 Debunking that demolishes the popular mechanic position. Architects and Engineers for 911 truth have a pretty damning report. Everyone knows the elephant is in the room. Only those who benefited from the elephant deny its existence. As well as those to emotionally attached to a mythical view of reality to vanquish the obvious cognitive dissonance.

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"CITY IN THE SKY: Rise And Fall Of World Trade Center" - goes into detail of construction, first half covers
mostly political wrangling, second half details construction methodology including use of many experimental
techniques. Last chapters covers destruction of WTC on 9/11

102 MINUTES - details activities of people in building and Police/FD rescue efforts covering 9/11, details escape
from building

Both of above by New Yprk Times reporters

FIREFIGHT - authors interviewed Fire/rescue personnel who fought the fires at Pentagon on 9/11. Very detailed
on fire/rescue and recovery efforts

SHADOW FACTORY - James Bamford, first half details arrival of hijackers into US and their training and
movements prior to 9/11 (many of which occured with 5 miles of where I live). Second half on NSA and how
attempting to build up electronic intercepts to track down future terrorist operations

Originally posted by stephinrazin
reply to post by GoodOlDave

 

If you want to read a whitewashed sanitized drivel of lies go ahead and read the 911 report. It has been so thoroughly debunked to no longer need address. Popular Mechanics did a study supposedly "debunking" conspiracy theories. There is book called Debunking 911 Debunking that demolishes the popular mechanic position.

In that case there shouldn't be any reason why you conspiracy people are so constantly afraid of reading the 9/11 commission report, is there?

I admint I haven't read the Debunking 9/11 Debunking, but I know it was written by David Ray Griffin, and his OTHER book about the ommissions is complete crap. Half of it is stuff the 9/11 commission report was never set up to investigate to begin with (I.E. why Bush spent so much time at the school in Florida) and the other half is either baloney there's no evidence for whatsoever (I.E. Bin Laden's kidney issues) or baloney he's making up himself (I.E. no airphones on any of the planes). All he does is provide childish nitpicking over irrelevent side issues and cannot touch any of the meat and potatos material the commission report does cover, such as how German inteliigence reports Mohammed Atta had contact with Al Qaida operatives while in Germany. The guy has no credibility whatsoever.

Don't take my word for it. Read the 9/11 Commssion report, and then read David Ray Griffin's Ommisison book, and you'll see right away the guy has absolutely no idea what he's talking about.

Architects and Engineers for 911 truth have a pretty damning report. Everyone knows the elephant is in the room. Only those who benefited from the elephant deny its existence. As well as those to emotionally attached to a mythical view of reality to vanquish the obvious cognitive dissonance.

If I'm the one "emotionally attached to a mythical view of reality" then then please explain why you're the one siding in with a guy who thinks that no planes hit the WTC.

This book is not exactly about 9/11, but it discusses the connections between the West and those who carried out the attacks. I don't believe the silly theories about thermite/energy weapons/nukes, so I feel it is far more important to examine how the Saudis have been connected to America for decades. The book does seem as if it was rushed to publication, but it still a good read.

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Dave the op asked fr any interesting books on 911 nlt your stupid crazy opinions on conspiracys once again you are drailing a thread and becoming very repetitive and boring.


As re the op i was given a book called 911 contradictions just startinto readt it now theres a book called alice in wonderland and the wtc havnt read that one yet
Dman those books sound intereting

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Originally posted by kaya82
Dave the op asked fr any interesting books on 911 nlt your stupid crazy opinions on conspiracys once again you are drailing a thread and becoming very repetitive and boring.


As re the op i was given a book called 911 contradictions just startinto readt it now theres a book called alice in wonderland and the wtc havnt read that one yet
Dman those books sound intereting

I'm sorry to burst your bubble..well, not really but it's polite to say it...they're not MY crazy opinions on conspiracies. They're YOUR crazy opinions on conspiracies; I'm simply commenting on them.

Like it or not, this 9/11 conspiracy drivel is necessarily a yin-yang thing. The 9/11 commission report IS a legitimate book on the 9/11 attack regardless of what your damned fool conspiracy websites claim, and for you to read these ridiculous alternative scenario books of controlled demolitions, lasers from outer space, or whatever, it's your responsibility to know what the 9/11 report actually says so you'll know what the lies supposedly are that you're supposedly exposing. Otherwise, you're just going to wind up looking horribly ignorant the next time you repeat drivel like, "no interceptors were scrambled", "no fires in WTC 7", arguments over shoot down orders, arguments over the C-130 seen over the Pentagon, or whatever. The only ones who stand to gain from this incessant and needless debate are the con artists selling you these alternative scenario books to get you all paranoid over shadows.

Take that con artist David Ray Griffin for example. He wrote a book about supposedly lies and ommission, but once you read the 9/11 report you'll realize he's just nitpicking over stupid things the 9/11 commission was never set up to investigate to begin with. Seriously, is the conspiracy movement getting so desperate over finding proof to back up their claims that they're even demanding to know whether or not Air Force one left Florida with a fighter escort? This is Griffin's statement, not mine.

Wanting to do research on the 9/11 attack without reading the 9/11 report is like wanting to learn about Lincoln without reading the Gettysburg address. Accept or refuse the fact at your own cost.

ATTENTION ALL POSTERS

Discuss the issue, not each other.

This isn't up for debate either, you all read the T & Cs
and should all know the rules of the forum.

Originally posted by Cassius666
Dave is there any chace we will be able to have a normal adult conversation with you in the forseeable future?

Of course there is...though after reading your posts it's almost certainly not going to be with you. Please, review your previous post to Weedwhacker and illustrate where it mentions UFOs in the 9/11 conspiracy report or even in David Ray Griffin's, "Ommisisons" book? Please, point this out to us for the benefit of the OP.

This isn't wanting to learn the facts behind the 9/11 attack. This is soothing your ego and making you feel better about yourself from not being able to get anywhere with your ridiculous conspiracy stories. Grow up, dude.


Actually the people who believe in the OS are the tinfoil hat crowd, patiently waiting in the UFO forum for their beloved goverment to disclose about Aliens. I can well imagine you believe the fantastic tale the OS is . When it comes to UFOs bigfoot the OS and reptillians I am a sceptic, but I dont take that as a free card to be passively agressive or downright offensive. Some people create a really hostile enviroment and "bad vibes" I only see on this particular section of the forum.

Too many people on here call people who believe whitnesses who were there, professionals who were there, the many many many professionals outside and inside America who question the official story DESPITE the repercussions it potentially holds, crazy. I resorted to calling the believers tinfoil hat people and nutters as well, partly because they DO believe in a crazy and fantastic story, but mostly hoping they would get the hint. But apparently what works on 5 year olds does not work on them. So I will have to be more blunt.

How would you feel if I would behave that way in the UFO section, the way you and many other 911 deniers behave on here calling people who see many flaws with the NIST report crazy?

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You either did not understand the post I made, or you choose not to understand it and you end your post with a childish "grow up dude". He was simply asking for books on the subject. You could have ignored the question or provided links of your own. There was no need for your flaming.

"The Pentagon: A History" by Steve Vogel. It chronicles the original construction of the building, the events of 9/11, the damage that occurred and the rebuilding process. It also talks about a flaw in the original construction that made the walls not as strong as it had been thought prior to 9/11.

Originally posted by Cassius666
reply to post by GoodOlDave

 

You either did not understand the post I made, or you choose not to understand it and you end your post with a childish "grow up dude". He was simply asking for books on the subject. You could have ignored the question or provided links of your own. There was no need for your flaming.

How exactly is it flaming when I'm cutting/pasting your own post verbatim stating that "people who believe the OS are people who wear tin foil hats and chase UFOs"? I will provide the link to your own post if you attempt to deny these are your own words.

Look dude, I'm not here to soothe your bruised ego at my expense. I'm here to show exactly how these con artists are pushing out this drivel to get people all paranoid over shadows, and the thread the OP started is a sterling case in point- Thierry Meyssan was the guy who invented the whole "cruise missile at the Pentagon" BS to sell a bunch of books and make a quick profit off of other people's abject paranoia, and where has it led us? Idiotic arguments right here on ATS over topics these conspiracy people have a responsibility to know already, but don't. How many times do I have to repeat the "suspicious C-130 over the Pentagon" was a Minnesota Air National Guard plane asked by ground controllers to follow flight 77? Now the OP is asking for what books to read. How is, "read the 9/11 commission report first before you read any of these other conspiracy books" NOT a legitimate statement?

If you want to go around accusing people who don't subscribe to your conspiracy stories of being UFO groupies, of wearing tin foil hats, or even of going around kicking pregnant dogs, I really don't care. What I expect from you is to show how anything I post here is incorrect. If you can, fine, let's hear it. If you can't, then don't waste the ATS moderator's time from having to erase your posts..

Apparently I wasn't clear enough

One more personal jab, one more post about another member in anyway and I'll be issuing post bans.

SOUND GOOD!?

Didn't think so.

...and now to get back to the original OP, I highly recommend AFTERMATH, by Joel Meyerowitz. He's a NYC photographer who begged, borrowed, and stole his way onto ground zero to document the cleanup process, and his photos and accompanying interviews are the most haunting things I've seen. The remains of victims being removed under flag draped litters, a scorched human leg bone, firemen holding and consoling each other, a smashed fire engine, are images words can't describe. It was from his book that I learned than there were people at the ground zero cleanup who helped build the WTC to begin with. The book is kinda pricy but the thing is HUGE. It won't even fit into my bookcase.

There's one story that still grips me- there was one woman interviewed (forgot her name but I'll look it up if anyone cares) who was operating a heavy loader at the site, and while removing some wreckage she uncovered some human remains. Previously up to that time, they were only covering people who were firemen or policemen with flags, but she covered and protected the remains of the victim with the bucket of her loader and refused to remove it until they gave this person a flag as well. Thereafter, they covered all victim remains with flags.

The book doesn't go into discussions about conspiracies either way, but since it's chock full of information that directly contradicts what the conspiracy people want to believe (I.E it specifially shows the WTC steel having been snapped like twigs ot broken at the joints, rather than being destroyed by any ) I can guess how the conspiracy people will interpret it.

Thanks for your input guys. I am aware of the commission report but that wasn't what I was after.

Sorry it got so heated in here.