The Conspiracy against Sexual Energy

Originally posted by themiddlepaths
Anyone who has orgasm, releases semen, fornicates, are wasting their sexual energy. Believe it or not. It is truth, and will alway be truth. Even if you deny it. Only sexual relationship with no fornication, no semen release, no orgasm is saint, and will only improve your stage in all angles of life.

I wouldnt consider this type of one-sidedness healthy. Too much of it can be seen as waste, but too little of it can be seen as lack of relief.

Originally posted by Skyfloating

I wouldnt consider this type of one-sidedness healthy. Too much of it can be seen as waste, but too little of it can be seen as lack of relief.

Agreed. Look what it did to the RCC.

Originally posted by harryhaller

Agreed. Look what it did to the RCC.

I had the exact same thought when writing that. RCC.

I partially agree with what has just been said about the RCC but I don't think it's as simple as that. If the preists knew how to re-direct their energy and put it to other uses then they may not have the same 'uncontrollable' urges. Surely the enforced ignorance on these matters goes hand in hand with the abstinance as a cause?

Originally posted by March of the Fire Ants
I partially agree with what has just been said about the RCC but I don't think it's as simple as that. If the preists knew how to re-direct their energy and put it to other uses then they may not have the same 'uncontrollable' urges. Surely the enforced ignorance on these matters goes hand in hand with the abstinance as a cause?

If they knew how to re-direct it properly they'd be the powerful priests they were meant to be rather than at the effect of uncontrollable energies, I agree.

when sex is perceived as an act or action word negating the definition of sex, there is no reply or recourse that can define actions associated with what sex is. And this sentence stated in true observation is the reason why manipulation of a variable verb is also not the definition of sex and the reason to a diffraction of what is expected and accepted as a "sexual act".

Originally posted by Ausar
when sex is perceived as an act or action word negating the definition of sex, there is no reply or recourse that can define actions associated with what sex is. And this sentence stated in true observation is the reason why manipulation of a variable verb is also not the definition of sex and the reason to a diffraction of what is expected and accepted as a "sexual act".

I dont understand what you just said, but it sounds great.

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it seems to me that abstinence goes awry when the abstainer thinks that sex is not allowed, means 'sexual energy' is bad , then they attempt to replace it with self mutilation and other disgusting things or it it becomes an obsession

they lost the goal of abstinence , the point being to redirect not get rid of sexual energy not to be confused with desire to have sex

This is an interesting thread. I wanted to ask.. Where does Polygamus or Monogamous relationships play into this? Does it have any relation at all as far as sexual energy and chakras and their usage? Is there a preffered type of relationship stance that makes a difference in this topic? More simply put.. Does it matter whether one has multiple sexual partners or a sole sexual partner or has society just introduced multiple sexual partners as taboo?

Originally posted by Skyfloating
Too much of it can be seen as waste, but too little of it can be seen as lack of relief.

Here's a very significant quote, with some links that explain said significance:

Our order possesses the key which opens up all Masonic and Hermetic secrets, namely, the teachings of sexual magic, and this teaching explains, without exception, all the secrets of Freemasonry and all systems of religion. - The editors of Oriflamme

Originally posted by MrsBlonde
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it seems to me that abstinence goes awry when the abstainer thinks that sex is not allowed, means 'sexual energy' is bad , then they attempt to replace it with self mutilation and other disgusting things or it it becomes an obsession

they lost the goal of abstinence , the point being to redirect not get rid of sexual energy not to be confused with desire to have sex

I think you nailed it. There is nothing wrong with abstinence as long as it doesnt turn into a condemnation of squelching of sex or a moralistic sermon on how others are supposed to behave.

Originally posted by Hektik1
This is an interesting thread. I wanted to ask.. Where does Polygamus or Monogamous relationships play into this? Does it have any relation at all as far as sexual energy and chakras and their usage? Is there a preffered type of relationship stance that makes a difference in this topic? More simply put.. Does it matter whether one has multiple sexual partners or a sole sexual partner or has society just introduced multiple sexual partners as taboo?

Having one partner makes it possible to create a bond which would allow a deep mental connection to be made and preserved, even in the afterlife (which makes "untill death do us part" seem like a curse). It would be much easier and safer to explore the human mind, both female and male.

Having many sexual partners just means more work, more danger (since many can influence your sexuality; there is the risk one forgets one's own energy or even confuses someone else's for their own), it would take a more time until everyone would be (mentally or energetically) connected as there are many different energies an individual would have to deal with instead of just your own and your partner's. But who in their right mind would want that?

Originally posted by MrsBlonde
reply to post by Skyfloating

 

they lost the goal of abstinence , the point being to redirect not get rid of sexual energy not to be confused with desire to have sex

But if you redirect sexual energy, is it still sexual energy? Suppose I pay attention to anything sexual, I would spend some of this neutral life energy in order to focus my consciousness which would most likely lead to an orgasm. If my being is devoid of anything sexual this neutral energy would be at it's full potential. Which makes it appear as if we age because of our sexuality, afterall if we would not reproduce there would be enough space and resources on this planet and if we did not want to reproduce (which is what physical sex is for) maybe this neutral life energy would sustain our bodies so it would last a lot longer. Far fetched perhaps but I believe there is much more to the subject.

It's really interesting that this thread surfaces after two month now. Just two nights ago I was meditating and I got this rising sensation I typically feel. Now, I have definitely noticed (in my own personal life, not saying this suites everyone) that the more I masturbate the less energy I have. On this night I had been abstaining from masturbation and had just had sex without release (in a good way) in the morning. I was meditating and just falling into that happy rising feeling when all of a sudden I became really hot all over. The feeling persisted the deeper I fell into the blissful feeling. Then it hit me, I had an internal (non ejaculation) orgasm. It was incredible and much more powerful than masturbation, and even more powerful than the "real" thing.

It was the cleanest orgasm I've ever experienced and it still mystifies me a couple of days later. I know that I could do it again, but I feel I'll be tarnishing it a bit if I attempt to induce such a feeling because I wasn't thinking anything sexual the first time through and will have to find a way around focusing on getting the feeling and more just enjoying the blissfulness that preceeds it. I've searched all over ATS to try and see if anyone else has had this and I couldn't find anything so I'm glad to have this thread rustled up so I could post my account here.

Any and all comments welcome.

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Hmm too bad I seem to have missed this somewhat interesting thread. I guess I missed all the funny bending of the text. I'll comment nonetheless.

Well, one only needs some imagination (or to read Freud) in order to understand what kind of neuroses and psychoses abuse of sexuality can cause.

I don't know if there's a conspiracy in this, because in our culture (meaning western) sexuality is not controlled from behalf of states. We can do pretty much everything with our seeds. But it is the social pressure in some instances that can damage our sexuality. And of course then there are various religious sects, not to mention catholic priests and little boys

Sexuality, as being one of our primitive drives, is very potent form of psychological energy and therefore looking after it and being even with it is important.

-v

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Originally posted by Acedrew89
Any and all comments welcome.

If what happened to you happened while your were Meditating, I very much doubt that it was an orgasm.

It was likely to some degree what the Buddhists call an experience of The Bliss of Inner Fire (Tummo).


As for orgasm, it is said that:

"If you experience orgasm without ejaculating the Hexiohehary, or sexual fluidic sperm or the first type of Mercury, then, you are practicing Black Tantra with the loss of the other two superior types of mercury!"

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Although I've not had such a climactic experience, i can relate to what you're saying. Arousal can be a sign that your base Chakra or Lower Tan Tien is activated/ filled with Prana/Chi ect. Apparently pelvic floor exercises can help you control the energy and stop it leaking out or manifesting as sexual energy.


I wanted to mention something that was brought up a while ago in this thread actually. A poster said that upon ejaculation one loses some of their Kidney Chi and that there was a limited amount of said Chi. From reading a bit about Taoist meditation techniques I've learned that you can replace Kidney Chi (or Pre-Natal Chi as it is referred to..) by making a 'Golden Elixir' which consists of saliva and chi... it seems like quite a complicated process though and I certainly can't say it works from experience.

Those new thought authors wrote about the "mystery of sexual transmutation". Even teh famous "Think and Grow Rich" book has a chapter on it.

What is the best way to use the sexual energy? How?

How to last longer? Or simply how to deal with premature ejaculation?

Sexuality is GRand, but there is a time, place, and purpose for everything in a body's life, unfortunately, lots of people are 'forced' to date pamela handerson, for some period(s) of time in their life, so no, porn is not the all consuming 'grand evil' we are looking for. You must look much deeper inside of yourself and everyone you encounter THAT. and THAT, my friends is where the 'real world' ends, and the 'real' war begins. Wrap up everyone, and have loads of fun battling evil.

Originally posted by Skyfloating
Note: Please keep this thread nice and clean so that it stays within the T&C


Caught between waste of sexual energy and suppression of sexual energy a human being rarely gets to explore its true power and significance throughout a lifetime.

Ah, more dualities of life. I am in total agreement with you, if we knew how to harness that energy and bring it up throughout our and into all of our meridians and chakra's, what a wonderful world we would have.

Sky I always in enjoy your threads since they both though provoking and spiritual enlightening. Now we just need to remember, and the veil will lift.

Cheers,

RT