New forurm for discussion of Moore's Fahrenheit 9/11 movie.

Seeing that we already had lots of topics on this issues spread through six different forums, it seemed time to make a dedicated forum to help keep the topic contained and easy-to-find. Use this forum for discussion of the claims, issues, and observations brought up during the movie, and in your follow-up thoughts. Also, use this to discuss the media frenzy surrounding the movie.

Michael Moore Hates America

Michael Moore Hates America is a feature-length documentary that takes you across the country -- From Moore's "hometown" of Flint to Washington, DC to LA -- in search of the American Dream and holds Michael Moore's filmmaking tactics up to the light.
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We'll deconstruct the genre of documentary film to show you how filmmakers can manipulate interviews and statistics to communicate a desired message, and then how the media runs with that message.
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While it has its serious side, Michael Moore Hates America is a hilarious romp through the myths about American life. It reduces silly conspiracy theories to rubble, challenges populist ideologies by putting them through uproarious tests and gets to the truth about Michael Moore's background, and his evolution into one of today's most prominent propagandists.

I can't wait to see Michael Moore Hates America. It looks very interesting. I also can't wait until the left-wingers start lambasting it and such, even though they'll be hypocrites when they do.

I will wait to see it on DVD it's all old news to me, I've been following this stuff since Daddy Bush was Prezz oups slip of the tounge Vice Prezz, this is a link to the Trailer www.fahrenheit911.com... for any interested parties I just hope it is enough to get that thief out of office and into jail.

[edit on 25-6-2004 by Sauron]

Originally posted by HeirToBokassa
Michael Moore Hates America

Michael Moore Hates America is a feature-length documentary that takes you across the country -- From Moore's "hometown" of Flint to Washington, DC to LA -- in search of the American Dream and holds Michael Moore's filmmaking tactics up to the light.
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We'll deconstruct the genre of documentary film to show you how filmmakers can manipulate interviews and statistics to communicate a desired message, and then how the media runs with that message.
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While it has its serious side, Michael Moore Hates America is a hilarious romp through the myths about American life. It reduces silly conspiracy theories to rubble, challenges populist ideologies by putting them through uproarious tests and gets to the truth about Michael Moore's background, and his evolution into one of today's most prominent propagandists.

Bokassa, are you Micheal Wilson? Why is this the third or fourth time I've seen this exact same copy/paste post from you promoting his movie? No commentary from you. No deviation. No new information. And this time in a board announcement that isn't even a discussion thread?

If you are involved with the film and wish to advertise on ATS I suggest proper channels. You'll be warmly welcomed. If you're just obsessed, however, I suggest you start a thread and lead a discussion there. The new MM forum is perfect to discuss Wilson's movie, and you're welcome to.

But what you're doing now amounts to spam. Please stop.

And please understand, I'm not saying you can't continue to bring up Wilson's movie in every single MM thread on ATS, but make it relevant. Say something new pertaining to the particular discussion...

DENY SPAM!

Mr. Moore has made it big time now. He has his own forurm. He should be proud.

Like i said before more power to him, atleast he has the balls to stand up for what he belives in.

To avoid spamming the board, Im going to give the short version of my anger with this new forum.

If a child draws a crappy dog everyone understands why he did it but they dont pay to see it.

If a fat elitist liberal makes a biased documentary of lies everyone understands why he did it but they shouldnt pay to see it.

I thought we were about serious discussion here? Theres a lot more interesting/factual debate concerning this stuff on ATS to begin with, and we certainly dont need to invite anymore l33t speak going off on how cool the movie is.

This should have stayed in the pit.

I thought Michael Moore's movie was about exposing a conspiracy. Isn't that what this board is all about? So maybe you should spend more time debunking the statements made in the movie rather than claiming that he has biased motives. Last time I checked, the government was largely biased seeing as it is all republican controlled. If you don't want to see the movie, that's your problem. But I don't see any contribution in what you are talking about unless you see the movie and try to debunk his statements.

Agent...it'll be okay.

As you said in another thread...

"I'm sickened that admin has even given this pile of crud its own forum."

...Because you want to discuss serious issues relating to 9/11 on ATS, not a movie. Consider then what this new organizational effort means for you.

You can read the entire War on Terror or Politics & Scandals forum and never hear about Mike Moore again. Yet when you do feel the need to put that "fat elitist liberal" in his place you'll know where to go.

A whole forum dedicated to Mike Moore. It's a bashers dream.

Why are so many people worked up about this movie. If you don't want to see it then don't. I for one give Micheal Moore credit for having the stones to pull this off. HE knew he would take huge flak over this and yet did it anyways because it was something that he believed in. Obviously other people agree with his views or the film wouldn't have won "Picture of the Year" at Cannes.

Isn't that what America stands for, an individual has the right to express his or her views? Or did Bush sneak that amendment through congress like he did with the Patriot Act.

I just don't understand why so many Americans are against this movie. Earnest Goes to Camp didn't get this much press but was a lot worse.

Michael Moore is simply put a socialist that hates America.

If you interview 180000 of anybody you will find someone who does not want to be there(soldiers in Iraq.)

The Bin Ladin family flew out 3 days AFTER the air ban was lifted. The FBI interviewed all people on that flight. This was announced a while ago in the 9/11 comission.

The SEVEN minutes Bush sat through the students reading showed a man in control. He told his staff they need to show calm.

Please don't recommend that this movie should not be shown. Of course it should. This is America.

This is what gets me, You all want to know the truth, someone gives you what they think the truth is and you cant stand it. Dont ask if you really dont want to know. "You want the Truth? You cant handle the Truth!"

hmmm I think it would be wise to WATCH the movie first, THEN comment on it. At least thats what I am going to do.
I want to have my own opinion on it, not to copy/paste others, or rely on hearsay.

The film's turning into quite a phenomenon, & it's good to have a unified thread for its discussion. Whatever your opinion of Michael Moore, the film's supposedly about the cosnpiracy & other skullduggery leading up to 9/11 and beyond.

There's been ATS discussion elsewhere about media control and bias & such-like issues, and the consensus of opinion was that there's too much of this already. So any movie that's outside of the mainstream of opinion which gets audiences thinking, has to be a good thing IMO.

I've not yet seen any of Moore's films, but I can't wait to see this one. If his methods of obtaining footage are shocking to some, hey, I'm shocked by TV reporters sticking a mike in the faces of people who've just come through some personal tragedy, and that sort of behaviour's an everyday occurrence.

Should this movie have the effect of making people think or question, then that's a good thing. As for hype, that's to be expected in this industry, and it's not limited to the film industry alone. If the concept of Fahrenheit 911 offends you, then don't watch it. And no-one should pre-judge it in the first place.

Guys, you're playing right into THEIR hands!!!! Go see Michael's Moore's movie!!!!! The NWO will love you for it!!!!!!
Haven't you noticed, it's all an act on his part...he's really one of them and his scales are beginning to show. Nowhere does it say that the Bush administration (republicans) is the only party NWO is behind.
BWA_HA_HA_HA_HA_HA!!!!!!!

Originally posted by RANT
Agent...it'll be okay.

Well Im glad you put it in perspective RANT.

I hadnt thought it about that way

Great way to take the positive side of life.

Originally posted by HeirToBokassa
Michael Moore Hates America

I completely disagree with moore with regard to "bowling for colubine" and the anti-gun message it presents. I likely also disagree with moore on a thousand other issues. However concerning the "war on terror" I can not disagree with moore. He may not have every detail correct, but the bulk of facts validate moores postion. IMHO the bush handling of 9/11, Iraq and the Patriot Act displays a hateful disregard of everything american, a hate for american values miles beyond anything moore could ever do or say.

The incompetence of the bush white house on 9/11 is the greatest defense failure ever to occur in american history. The subquent failure to prevent various bin ladens from leaving the country following the attack is an inexcusable intelligence failure. The lies and manipulation of the media to convince american citizens that iraq and al-qaeda were working together in order to create a blood lust in the american people will live in infamy. The psychological use of fear used to rape the liberty of our citizens via the orwellian doublespeak of the "patriot act" is everything that is anti-patriotic, anti-freedom and anti-american. Perhaps moore hates america, but no where to the degree which bush hates america as he demonstrates with his every actions.

The democratic party shares the blame on Iraq and the "unpatriot act", but the bush failures on 9/11 belongs only to bush. The bush white house was either responsible or irresponsible and to this day "the buck stops nowhere".

I will not be viewing either film, but find the attacks on moore to be pathetic.

Agent, i'm with you on this one. i think having this on the main site is ridiculous. it should belong under "movies" or "education & media." that's what those forums are for, so why not make use of them? there's a "short stories" forum, but do you see it on the main site? nope, it's a subforum to "collaborative fiction." this should be a subforum to one of the aformentioned.

Originally posted by cmdrkeenkid
i think having this on the main site is ridiculous.

"Fahrenheit 9/11" is an op/ed piece which uses video media to express a position rather than the written word. Those that do not agree with its position want to diminish its exposure by burying it in some dark corner. Explain to me how it is not an editorial opinion worthy of being treated like any other editorial.
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I tend to disagree with you, cmdrkeenkid. This film has turned into a phenomenon that looks to be developing into a milestone in what is commonly known as pop culture. And it comes under the 9/11 "umbrella" IMO.

I have no pre-conceived ideas about Michael Moore as I've never seen or read anything by him. Nor do I watch much popular television nor see as many movies as I used to. Added to this is the fact that I don't get out & about as much as formerly - which means that I'm often out of the loop as far as mainstream culture is concerned.

This worries me from time to time. So now & then, I venture out, dip a toe in the water, whatever - just to keep my finger on the pulse, so to speak, of the society I'm a part of. As one example, I forced myself to watcg 2 episodes each of Big Brother & Temptation Island, and this gave me an understanding of the reality TV phenomenon.

So I will see Fahrenheit 911 for this reason, and this is how I will approach it.