The hidden Racism of the Far-Left

Originally posted by buddhasystem

How does affirmative action oppress blacks??? If anything it oppresses everybody else.

As mentioned in the OP, it makes blacks look like idiots who owe their rise to affirmative action. Because it is hidden it is more dangerous than open racism.

You should have also quoted other stuff from Malcolm X, such as:
["The death of over 120 white people is a very beautiful thing." [Speech in Los Angeles on June 3, 1962 upon learning of a plane crash"

Why should I have added that? It has nothing to do with the thread at all.

Racism is defined as a hatred or intolerance of another race or other races. Affirmative Action is not racism. It does not use derogatory terms to describe a race, or feel disdain or anger over a particular race. There are no hateful or otherwise negative intentions associated with Affirmative Action, and it does not promote one race being superior to another. Affirmative Action is the response to racism.

Racism, including slavery and segregation has been a major part of American history for nearly 500 years... Affirmative action has been in place for just under 50 years. I think we can afford to give it a little more time, in light of our nations history and the fact that racism and discrimination is still very present in the United States.

Originally posted by spiritualzombie
Racism is defined as a hatred or intolerance of another race or other races. Affirmative Action is not racism. It does not use derogatory terms to describe a race, or feel disdain or anger over a particular race. There are no hateful or otherwise negative intentions associated with Affirmative Action, and it does not promote one race being superior to another. Affirmative Action is the response to racism.

Yes it does, but those implementing Affirmative Action are too dumb to recognize that its racism. They think that seeing blacks as pathetic and needy idiots who cant lift themselves out of poverty = having a good heart.

Originally posted by Skyfloating

Originally posted by buddhasystem

How does affirmative action oppress blacks??? If anything it oppresses everybody else.

As mentioned in the OP, it makes blacks look like idiots who owe their rise to affirmative action. Because it is hidden it is more dangerous than open racism.

So you are saying that Affirmative Action is one huge conspiracy? It's like I hand you $1000 in crispy $100 notes in broad daylight, in secret hope that this will make you look like a cheapskate. Just because I'm evil.

Sheesh.

reply to post by Skyfloating


So I guess you also enjoy the Bohemian grove in what they do for this country?

Originally posted by Skyfloating
They think that seeing blacks as pathetic and needy idiots who cant lift themselves out of poverty = having a good heart.

Um, that's not Affirmative Action. That's your view on blacks.

Originally posted by buddhasystem
So you are saying that Affirmative Action is one huge conspiracy? It's like I hand you $1000 in crispy $100 notes in broad daylight, in secret hope that this will make you look like a cheapskate. Just because I'm evil.

Once word gets round that you keep handing people like me money, people will think my good fortunes are thanks to you...while my own self-value decreases.

Originally posted by dragnet53
So I guess you also enjoy the Bohemian grove in what they do for this country?

I dont understand.

Originally posted by spiritualzombie

Originally posted by Skyfloating
They think that seeing blacks as pathetic and needy idiots who cant lift themselves out of poverty = having a good heart.

Um, that's not Affirmative Action. That's your view on blacks.

How is that MY view on blacks?

Originally posted by Skyfloating

Originally posted by buddhasystem
So you are saying that Affirmative Action is one huge conspiracy? It's like I hand you $1000 in crispy $100 notes in broad daylight, in secret hope that this will make you look like a cheapskate. Just because I'm evil.

Once word gets round that you keep handing people like me money, people will think my good fortunes are thanks to you...while my own self-value decreases.

Oh please... you will be $1000 ahead of others. In real life, you will get into a school and end up ahead of others as well.

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Why is it that for decades, prior to women's groups putting pressure on the governing bodies of various professions, there were specific standards that had to be achieved to be accepted into that profession. Many men could not met those criteria and were denied entry.

Now come along the feminists and tell the group that their standards are not fair - not fair because women will have extreme difficulty in meeting those standards. The courts come in and tell the group, such as firemen to lower their standards to a degree that enables a certain number of women to pass.

Are the standards lowered for the men? No. Were the standards designed in the first place with knowledge of what the physical requirements of the job were, with no though of gender? Yes. If both of those are the case, why is it acceptable that the standards were lowered, but only lowered for one group?

What is the benefit to society to have women firefighters?

The same goes for the military. You can not have a two track entrance process and equal career tracks on the back end. It only serves to perform social engineering and you can't tell me otherwise.

Originally posted by buddhasystem
Oh please... you will be $1000 ahead of others. In real life, you will get into a school and end up ahead of others as well.

What use is $1000 if I havent learned to value myself? None, because in my state of mind, it will soon all be spent.

There really is a difference between teaching someone how to fish and giving him fish for free. Its psychological.

reply to post by Skyfloating


Sorry you do not know a thing about the far left. The far left is not particulalry interested in affirmative action. All the far left from the Sparticists to the American CP and Trots is truly interested in is socialist revolution. The far left may intervene into specific disputes where racism is involved but this is largely a recruiting tacticto build the party under the benign gaze of the apparachniks who will get the dachas in Martha's Vineyard come the revolution.

In fact everything must be sacrificed for the revolution!

You just don't know about the far left.

reply to post by Skyfloating


Your reasoning is all screwed up.

Your reasoning is like people blaming the authorities for the horror of the death penalty and not the murderer.

Those who willfully and consciously for generations discriminated against minorities, particularly Afro Americans, are responsible for the injustices as well as the remedy which sometimes is painful.

For if there were no institutional generational discrimination against minorities there wouldn’t have to be any remedies!

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Its the year 2010 - there is no institutional discrimination against minorities. And they arent minorities.

reply to post by Skyfloating


That’s your opinion; minorities in the US are still discriminated against by all kinds of statistics, on many levels.


WASHINGTON — Decades after the civil rights movement, racial disparities in income, education and home ownership persist and, by some measurements, are growing.

White households had incomes that were two-thirds higher than blacks and 40 percent higher than Hispanics last year, according to data released Tuesday by the Census Bureau.

White adults were also more likely than black and Hispanic adults to have college degrees and to own their own homes. They were less likely to live in poverty.

“Race is so associated with class in the United States that it may not be direct discrimination, but it still matters indirectly,” said Dalton Conley, a sociology professor at New York University and the author of “Being Black, Living in the Red.”

“It doesn’t mean it’s any less powerful just because it’s indirect,” he said.

Home ownership grew among white middle-class families after World War II when access to credit and government programs made buying houses affordable. Black families were largely left out because of discrimination, and the effects are still being felt today, said Lance Freeman, assistant professor of urban planning at Columbia University and author of “There Goes the ’Hood.”

www.msnbc.msn.com...

There are laws against discrimination - that is not my opinion, thats a fact. Another fact is that nowadays discrimination based on race is extremely rare in the U.S.

And another fact: They are not minorities. Actually whites are a global minority and may become extinct within the next 500 years.

Can you tell the difference between fact and fiction?

reply to post by inforeal


Why do the outcomes reflect discrimination?

Perhaps there are other reasons, perhaps they are cultural?

Why do blacks make up about 13% of the population yet are over 80% of professional atheletes? Perhaps it is genetic, perhaps it is because they simply work harder at it, perhaps it is because non-blacks are discriminated against.

Why is it that if you take a look at the top schools and look at the top students, Asians and Indians are over represented? Are others being discriminated against, driving the Asians to the top of the class? How does it work when in many cases these Asian kids don't even speak English at home?

Could part of the problem be that 70% of black kids are born to single mothers? Maybe thats an issue when you consider that kids born to single mothers are far more likely to drop out of school, be in the criminal justice system and do drugs. Think that might be a problem? Could it be that black kids on average watch 7 more hours of TV a week than white kids?

You can look for boogymen all you want by looking at outcomes. Looking at outcomes makes you feel good because you think you have found a problem and its "the system". I'm sorry, but the reality is a bit tougher to identify and the solutions a bit more problematic to define and implement than simply instituting more affirmative action programs.

As you seek to respond, how about you first explain the achievement of the Asian Americans. Either they are a whole lot smarter than the rest of us or they just have diffferent priorities and possess cultural qualities that facilitate academic achievement.

At any rate, based on your logic, there must be something "society" is doing either for them or to the rest of us which drives those outcomes.

Originally posted by tiger5
Sorry you do not know a thing about the far left. The far left is not particulalry interested in affirmative action.
In fact everything must be sacrificed for the revolution!

You just don't know about the far left.

The spectrum is wide and long. This is so far to the left I dont even care to investigate it.

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ANd yet by definition you mention the far left. there is a contradiction there. Perhaps the facts are getting in the way of your OP. The problem with affirmative action action is what happens if we remove it. Do you believe that it would be the death of equal ops? If ATS is anything to go by I would say "Yes" racism and discrimination is the all-important job market would sky rocket. Why? Because the racists never went away.. They merely logged on