Terry Jones Accused of 'Spiritual Abuse' at Cologne Church

Terry Jones Accused of 'Spiritual Abuse' at Cologne Church

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US fundamentalist pastor Terry Jones, who wants to burn copies of the Koran on Sept. 11, ran a church in the western German city of Cologne until last year when members of the congregation expelled him. Former members have spoken of his hate-filled sermons and insistence on "blind obedience."

The world is holding its breath -- and it's all down to a tiny Christian fundamentalist church in Florida.

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Well meet the real Terry Jones, a man expelled out of Germany and rejected by his own congregation.

Who used a climate of fear and control similiar to Jim Jones in a 800 member congregation he slowly built up using topical current events to touch on the raw nerves of his followers.

Followers who he would urge to beat their children, and give away larger and larger portions of their income to him.

Followers some of whom today are still undergoing pyschological treatment for the tactics he used in controlling his flock.

Followers who eventually banded together rejected him and expelled him from Germany.

Meet the real Terry Jones, Con-Artist, and Liar extroidinaire!

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Increasingly Radical
Jones became increasingly radical as the years went by, former associates say. At one point he wanted to help a homosexual member to "pray away his sins." Later he began to increasingly target Islam in his sermons. A congregation member reported that some members were afraid to attend services because they expected to be attacked by Muslims. "Terry Jones has a talent for finding topical social issues and seizing on them for his own cause," says Schäfer.

'Delusional Personality'

Former church members are still undergoing therapy as a result of "spiritual abuse," Schäfer said. According to Schäfer, Jones urged church members to beat their children with a rod and also taught "a distinctive demonology" and conducted brainwashing.

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Great find Proto, sure puts things in a new light.

Doesn't it make you wonder why the MSM hasn't picked up the story on this radical sick guy, they are treating him like the new Messiah in America..

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It is absolutely amazing the mainstream media has not picked up on this. What was Jones doing in Germany in all those years? What prompted a good ole' boy from Gainesville to spend the better part of his life running what his congregants came to see as a cult of personality? Why has the mainstream news media here not made any mention of this at all?

It's absolutely amazing this man's background wouldn't be considered considering what his background actually is.

Thanks for posting.

Originally posted by Aquarius1
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Doesn't it make you wonder why the MSM hasn't picked up the story on this radical sick guy..

It does.

Agenda, Agenda, Agenda.


Good pick-up OP. I emailed the link to the local online newspapers (for what it's worth) here in OZ.

I think the media is its own worst enemy in this regard.

'Crazy pastor still crazy!' is not half as interesting as portraying this man in a legitmate light.

'Man might be psychic' not half as interesting as ... 'Man slightly nuts'

They were probably going to come out with this information all along, but are binding their time to bring in readers. It's the same with the whole issue with Terry Jones and the New York Imam.

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Great idea, thank you for spreading the word, this information should be out there, especially in the U.S. where I live.

Originally posted by Pinke
I think the media is its own worst enemy in this regard.

'Crazy pastor still crazy!' is not half as interesting as portraying this man in a legitmate light.

'Man might be psychic' not half as interesting as ... 'Man slightly nuts'

They were probably going to come out with this information all along, but are binding their time to bring in readers. It's the same with the whole issue with Terry Jones and the New York Imam.

What's amazing is how Jones has managed to directly tie himself into the controversy regarding the Park 51 Project in New York making claims now that they lied to him and told him they would build it elsewhere if he called off his Burn the Quran Media Event.

Yet when you look at Jones past, it's clear based on the testimony of his former congregants in Germany that he is delusional.

Yet the American Mainstream Media is continueing to portray him as simply controversial but credible.

When clearly he is far more than controversial, and definately not credible.

Here is another little tidbid from our German friends regarding this controversy:

GERMAN JEWS CONDEMN PLANS TO BURN KORAN
Germany's leading Jewish group, the Central Council of Jews, has condemned Terry Jones' plans to burn the Koran. In a statement issued Wednesday, the organization's president, Charlotte Knobloch, said the idea was "terrible and repulsive" and that it reminded her of the Nazis' infamous book-burning in 1933. "Where they burn books, they will end up burning people," she said, quoting the 19th-century German author Heinrich Heine.

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See while many imagine this is about not giving into Islam, in my humble opinion it's about not giving in to what's worst about us.

The German people didn't start out the Holocaust with Death Camps, they started it out with eerily similiar attitudes and politics very similiar to what is happening in the United States today.

Is it really going to take American Concentration Camps before people realize what's happened and it's too late.

I Guess Abovetopsecet hates freedom of speech now

I support Terry jones for standing for his standing up for his rights to do to so.

Originally posted by Agent_USA_Supporter
I Guess Abovetopsecet hates freedom of speech now

I support Terry jones for standing for his standing up for his rights to do to so.

Yeah as the folks in Germany he fleeced who ran him out of the country found out he is real good at using free speech to enrich himself.

Adolf Hitler would be entilted to free speech too here in America, it doesn't mean anyone with a half a heart and any human decency would listen to his trash though.

The guy is a fraud, and a religious con man, preying on people and their fears.

This isn't about freedom of speech don't kid yourself, it's about politics, and bigotry, stereo typing and xenophobia.

We don't know much about the 1.6 billion Muslims in the world, what kind of lives they really lead, how secular or religious they individually are, how honest or how peaceful. We mostly only know the very small percentage that make the news for doing bad things.

Just like this Terry Jones has made the News in Germany for doing bad things to his congregation of followers there.

He has the right to speak freely, and you have the right to know precisely what kind of man he is.

Don't be afraid to exercise that, or understand that people who don't think his actions are noble or anything but self serving and destructive have the right to voice their opinion too.

When I read the title of the thread I thought surely not the old Life of Brian debate again.." for Jehovah's Sake let it lie... I thought" - didn't realise that was name of 'The Pastor' ...

All I can say to that is - will the real Terry Jones please stand up?!

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"He's not the Messiah...he's a very naughty boy!"

Good post PT. S&F Far too often Christian Churches pay no attention to what the Word has to say about these shysters . I have recently found a great podcast dealing with such subjects . The secular world in dealing with people like Terry Jones is one thing ,but for a group of Christians to give him a pulpit to preach from is another . phillyflash.files.wordpress.com... Hopefully the truth will set all people free .

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I tell you what, he maybe a moron and corrupted as most religious leaders are along with our politicians but he create an issue that is not going to be forgotten by most Christian American and the patriots still around.

We Americans are not longer the drivers of our own decisions, foreign interest and special interest are. . .

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I cannot understand why anyone would ever believe that this man has the okay from Father God? I guess it just goes to show that people don't learn about Him for themselves, they just accept whatever fruity crap some man spoonfeeds to the public.

To those who would support Jones in his right to burn the Quran holy books, I ask what the act might lead to. It is dangerous to yell 'BOMB' in a crowded airport terminal and there will be repercussions.

One might be related to the freedom of expression and the other to the freedom of speech. Neither are an innocent or intelligent act and the fall-out is always going to be painful to a lot of people.

This 'pastor' is no Christian... he's a hate-filled troublemaker as his record in Germany has revealed. To defend him is to defend the same kind of insanity that killed millions, from Stalin to Pol Pot and Hitler to Idi Amin. Radicals exist within Christianity just as in any other religion and even in its complete absense. Some, who I would see as reasonable people, defy these type of threats and actions while others reveal themselves to be of the same rigorist cloth. That's the way of the world. Jimmy and Terry Jones's will always be there to cause pain and misery by sowing the seeds of discontent and watering their sordid crops with the blood of innocents.

Creating war is an easy exercise for the media: Dear Journalist:

1. Look for the most deranged idiot you can find
2. Report about him
3. Report about him some more, thereby making him a superstar
4. Report on him some more, as if he is representative of what Christians believe
5. And report on him some more to get muslims enraged.

Mass-media distorts reality by zooming in on the worst of the worst. The media creates reality. Preferably a negative reality, because hate and fear is what it thrives on.

Originally posted by the2ofusr1
Good post PT. S&F Far too often Christian Churches pay no attention to what the Word has to say about these shysters . I have recently found a great podcast dealing with such subjects . The secular world in dealing with people like Terry Jones is one thing ,but for a group of Christians to give him a pulpit to preach from is another . phillyflash.files.wordpress.com... Hopefully the truth will set all people free .

You know, one of the things that ultimately limited the effectiveness of the Hippie Movement was not it's messages but the messenger's themselves.

Men like Abbie Hoffman and the Gang of Seven, and others simply frightened America because of their dress and lifestyle, speech and mannerisms. Most people could agree with the basic principles of peace and love and no war, and an honest government, but the average person is not going to have someone with a criminal background or a radical past be their leader, or follow them.

This is someone with a very shady background, and it exposes essentially what is a con, uniting people through a common exagerated fear, preying on their fear, for the sake of power and money.

Most of what is driving the debate are fundamental Christians who by and large fail misserably at following their own gospels that simply feel that Islam threatens them from being able to worship here in the United States as Christians.

Yet nothing could be further from the truth, no one including Muslims is threatening Christians here in the United States it is the fundamental Christians who in fact just want no one else to worship in any way that is not defined as Christianity. They simply want to dominate the American Landscape exclusively with their own religion, and to use their numbers as a voting block for politicians who they feel will favor Christian law and values.

It's their own tactics in attempting to do this, and rallying behind men like Jones just because he claims to be a man of God and inspired by God in his quest to use extortion and terror against Muslims to make money and grow his flock.

So it all becomes very suspect as men like Jones lie, posture, and try to use what ever leverage they can gain through radical and extreme acts to try to dominate the landscape and become much more relevant than they are.

They don't do apple to apple comparisons we live in the United States, they live in the United States, so if American Muslims, are not out at an American Mosque, with an American Imam telling them to burn American Flags, or Christian Bibles, behead or stone Christians etc, then no using examples of a select few radicals in other nations that don't have our laws or consitutions to do something that American Muslims are not doing, like sponsoring a burn a Bible day, is no excuse to have a burn the Quran day.

What it does in fact show, is that propensity on behalf of some Christians to want to dominate the whole world with their religion, by citing examples of non-American Muslims, in foreign nations, engaged in radical acts to attempt to justify a two wrongs don't make a right argument for American Christians carrying out radical acts that are truly going to offend law abiding Muslim Americans.

It's a childesh argument, and a dangerous argument, that they wrap in phoney umbrellas like Freedom of Speech.

Where they try to manipulate other Americans to first be afraid, of over exagerated and poorly sourced events and theories, and then to be angry and aide them in trying to dominate the entire world's religious landscape and not just our own.

As far as our own, church and state is seperate by law, so, their acts are unconstitutional, no matter how free their right to speech is, in wanting to violate the constitution. As far as other nations, well they are other nations, and we certainly don't want China or Chinese standards dictating how Religion is practiced in the United States so why would be attempting to dictate to other countries how they practice religion.

It's a squeeky wheel gets the grease strawman argument but they fail to realize that when they have people like Jones a religious con man lead these crusades, and their rhetoric becomes bigoted and stereo typical, that they are just painting a picture of themselves as bigots who will follow con men to try to dominate the religious landscape and the political debate.

At the end of the day it isn't the very peaceful Muslim minority in the nation attacking the constitution, it's the overly vocal and distracting Christian Fundamentalist minority in the United States attacking the constitution.

Thanks for posting.

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The problem is that even if the moron pastor wants to burn the Koran, that will never stop Islamic extremist from killing our soldiers, burning bibles and burning flags.

Now, is a big difference between Americans been warned and live in fear of doing things "our way" but Islamic nations that engage in this type of conduct doesn't get warnings or have to live in fear of retaliation by the rest of the Christian community around the world

The Irony, we do it, we are bad and have to look over our shoulders, they do it and get to celebrate in front of their news media while beheading soldiers for the rest of the world to see.

The hypocrisy, why are we even questioning some small moron corrupted pastor for wanting to burn the Koran . .

Yes, America has to make sure that its special and private interest in Iraq and Afghanistan are SAFE who care how many soldiers have to die for that. . .

Double standards . . .Bend over America.

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If we can burn the flag, the bible and Beatles records, there's no reason why we can't burn a Koran as well.
It's protected speech here in America and if anything bad happens it we be a result of all the media attention it's getting.
If the media wants to play the story then it must fulfill some part of an agenda for them like keeping our attention focused on hating a particular group perhaps?
Terry Jones is just a nutcase that wouldn't have been heard if the MSM didn't hand him the damn megaphone