Ban Mixed Martial Arts! 'Human Savagery'

Maybe they should go on the basis of how many fatalities you get each year from the sport, before they go ranting about banning it.

That said, i remember hearing that more people die fishing each year than any other sport.

CX.

I don't think you could have picked a worse video to represent the face of MMA at the moment.

Now if you were going for sensationalism then you picked the perfect video to make the sport look way worse than it is.

In 2010 things have changed there are many more rules and regulations like others have pointed out. If you watch MMA today you will not see fighters getting punched in the back of the head, headbutted, or kicked and kneed in the head while they are on the ground.

Fighters nowadays are well trained and know the risks of fighting. That is why they go through years of training to get to the level it takes to fight professionally.

These doctors should go tell boxers, hockey players, football players, and rugby players that they can't play their respective sports anymore because they might get hurt...

Think about it these guys usually only fight about twice a year. Think about all of the punishing hits football players take over an entire season. Id rather get my ass beat one night out of the year than take punishment for 16 weeks.

MMA fighters and trained martial artists in general are the least likely people to go out and be violent in normal society. With their training comes a respect and discipline for the power they hold in their hands.

If someone choses to go into organised combat, then this is a personal choice. They know the risks involved. So why not? Other countries, especially in Asia, have had full contact Martial Arts for centuries. Although rather than try to be all namby pamby and say 'oh no you might get hurt!' they treat their fighters with the respect and honour they deserve.

Every sport has it's risks and injuries. Do we ban boxing becasue people get hurt? Do we ban soccer because legs get broken? Do we ban rugby because noses get burst? If people decide to put themselves in the firing line then it is a personal choice that must be respected.

The refs do a great job in UFC (Herb Dean is a favourite of mine) in keeping it as safe as possible. And i'd rather they were doing it in an organised fight with a ref and doctor present than bare knuckle boxing in some back alley somewhere.

I'm not a fan. I find it pretty boring actually. Boring and homoerotic. Nor do I ever support banning anything with legislation.

I find it interesting in a sort of civilization timeline way. The popularity of the 'sport' following the wake of things like boxing and soap-opera wrestling pairs well with the popularity of television that is essentially gore porn like True Blood, Dexter, Spartacus, etc... Essentially bad tv void of story and meaning. Just a set up and an excuse to be naked and violent. Even most childrens programming has lost it's value. Just a set up and unreason to be loud and colorful.

The written word is in the same rut. Everything published now is just retelling of old stories or excuses to be violent.

All the stories have been told to we ramp up the sex and violence to keep it interesting. Each new 'hit' show or scene has more sex and violence than the last.

Either we get some new stories, learn to appreciate the old ones or soon enough we'll be throwing people to lions for entertainment.

Also funny how well the phenomenon coincides with our financial collapse.

I dont care to judge what entertains people and as long as I'm not being thrown to lions I likely won't care about that either. Just an observation from somebody who works with media of all types from the last two centuries and notices patterns and trends.


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Did the victims choose to be murdered/raped by the criminals?? Nope.

Than why the hell does the criminal get to choose if hes put in the UNREAL Tourny??

He doesn't.

UT is about being thrown in the fray whether you like it or not. This adds more suspense and intensity to the sport.

I never met a victim of violent crime that "choose" to be victimized.

So I will never see a Unreal Tournament gladiator "choose" to be in the game. Thats just the way life works.

People will pay top $$$ for this type of Real hard core action, blood guts and all.

Oh and your idea about using the massive profits to pay for the victims families and damages from the criminals actions, is a PERFECT idea. It would be Awesome!

Two birds, one stone. Game on!

Originally posted by silo13
My question though - Do you think the 'savagery' witnessed in the cage is an affront to 'Modern Society'?

IMO, I don't think so.

Of course it isn't for everybody, and some people are very turned off by violence which is normal.

However I think MMA and other violent forms of organised combat herald back to earlier times in our human evolution. I think they 'answer' or perhaps part explain a built in archetype for survival and pitting oneself against an opponent, to survive against all odds and come out a stronger person.

As a man I fully understand it, though, I'm no fighter. But the "desire" and drive to combat against a foe or challenger is always inside me. I'm not saying we should go out and maim people in the street for fun. But i think there is a deepset want or need in the human unconscious to have such experiences and to continue them.

Now, the NICE thing about such events like MMA is that they ARE rule driven, they are managed and safely handled. You have refs, medics, trained (we hope!) participants. The goal isn't to kill your opponent., as it might have been in earlier times.

I think it's actually a good thing - so long as people enter it with the right mindset. To understand that they are creating a challenge to overcome that isn't really life threatening but due to the context, makes it feel like that. I'm not saying it's safe - but it isn't the same as early Roman Gladiator fights where it was kill or be killed.

[edit on 27-8-2010 by noonebutme]

Originally posted by thisguyrighthere
I'm not a fan.

I am not a fan of these cheesy wimp sports either.

But I am a fan of a good old bloody gladiator match.

Thus my suggestion to bring the Unreal Tournament to reality.

Also, people are so addicted to violence these days because all we see is this watered down sissy fake "violence". It's not real.

They don't even show real gunshot wounds on the mainstream news rarely ever. War is censored to the max. It's so freaking hypocritical.

That is why everyone loves violence, they don't even know what REAL violence is.

Let's bring in the Unreal Tournament and see who likes REAL violence. Lets be Honest with ourselves society.

And let's see who is willing to commit violent heinous crimes to someone else After the UT is brought out. The criminal wanna-bes will run screaming.

Crime rates will drop significantly after the UT is introduced. This much is obvious.

And people will pay thousands of dollars to watch a match. It would be Televised though, because getting too close to the action would probably result in tons of accidental deaths of audience members.

I wanna see rocket launchers and large caliber automatic weaponry. Swords axes maces etc. You name it, it's in there.

I'm not into sport at all myself... yes it is brutal and (to me) nasty looking. I don't think censoring or banning things actually addresses the "problem" though.

As humans we're flawed, we have an amazing scope of possibility open to us - maybe we need to look at why people want to fight Vs a fighting competition and also why people want to watch it. MMA isn't to my taste, but if the sport is being governed responsibly and not just pandering to the publics desire to see blood then fair enough.

Even if it is just pandering to a public desire to witness blood shed, banning it is useless because the desire will not just go away. We desperately need to address how we raise our children, that involves them growing up being loved and nurtured, it also should let them out into the world as adults with the concept of danger and risk, not just to shy away from it, but to actually be able to tackle things that life will present.

Insert standard rant about Xbox, nanny-state etc.

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It's pretty much a guarantee with prison overcrowding, growth of the police state, budget crisis, and herd mentality that we'll get some form of UT or Deathrace 2000 or Running Man or The Hunt or Manhunt. No "ifs" about it.

Nice list of the same story told over and over too. Nothing is new anymore.


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Every sport has it's risks and injuries. Do we ban boxing becasue people get hurt? Do we ban soccer because legs get broken? Do we ban rugby because noses get burst? If people decide to put themselves in the firing line then it is a personal choice that must be respected.

Exactly. I was hoping someone would point this out word for word.
I can only imagine how all those so called 'Doctors' would feel if we tried to take away their 'ball' games.

peace

Boxing has been scientifically proven to be far more deadly and damaging than MMA. Boxing averages 2-3 deaths per year. That's dozens of deaths in its storied history if not hundreds. MMA has yet to record a single death.

This is because in MMA most of the wins are quick and painless submissions from which the opponent not only quickly recovers, but for which he took almost no damage since 75% of the match is them on the floor just wrestling. A boxer on the other hand takes roughly 40-60 punches to the face per round, fights 12 rounds, and fights 50-70 fights in his career. You do the math.

This is the reason boxer's are far more susceptible to brain damage and its related diseases whereas in MMA being 'punchdrunk' is almost nonexistent.

There are differences in the rules depending on the league. WEC has very good officials and are highly concerned with the fighters health. When someone can't protect themselves they stop it immediately.

The only reason to stop this is when these guys go into an occasional 69 position while on the mat, otherwise this is one of the best sports ever. I would rather participate in or watch a cage match over kick boxing or boxing.

Say what you will but the sportsmanship and respect for one another is much higher in martial arts, I think due to the training instilling an honorable fighter.

What the canooks need to stop is hockey fights. Talk about un sportsmen like.
When a fight breaks out on the rink, those players should be banned for life, but it's ok for them to act like little babies. Hockey seems like a pretty good game till they go all retard on each other...I can't watch people acting like that. The fighting has nothing to do with the game, whereas MMA fights are very to the point.

How about Fedor making a short visit to these guys who want to ban MMA. I am sure Fedor can persuade these guys to restrain them from taking any form of action against MMA.

TEAM FEDOR!

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Of course it isn't for everybody, and some people are very turned off by violence which is normal.

Now that would be an interesting study. I'm sure someone 'out there' has done one, I'll have to go check, but, I bet you'll find there are a huge number of people that would send the balance tipping - the scales in the favor of 'watching' violence being considered quite the norm.
Just the being 'involved' in it not as desirable.

Spot check on what makes today's society tick?
Check out You Tube vids. The whacked out things people do, the train loads (and wrecks) of 'gore'.

Now compare the 'hits' on those videos vs. the 3 minutes of Mary Poppins singing about a 'Spoonful of sugar'...

hehehe

But I get your idea. Thanks for the reply.

peace

Hello Silo,
Hope you are doing well.

I'm not much of a boxing/wrestling/fight fan.

Seen too much violence in real life to get worked up over this type of spectator sport.

As for banning violent sport, waste of time.

There is too much real violence in the world. It's like trying to ban the weather channel because it's raining outside.

Originally posted by silo13
reply to post by hawkiye

 

I've a great deal of respect for the refs I've seen. A few others, well, as the story goes you can't let one rotten apple.

My question though - Do you think the 'savagery' witnessed in the cage is an affront to 'Modern Society'?

Thanks
peace

No, but I do find these doctors trying to dictate what is an affront to 'Modern Society' as an affront. Everybody participating in MMA is doing it of their own volition, and none of these doctors' business.

Practicing martial arts almost all my life I tell you I love the video.
Fighting in the ring no matter what rules both fighters agree upon or what style is just fine. As long its in the ring.

Now, any guy who uses his fighting skills on the street to attack anybody for what reason other then selfdefense is just a huge loser.

Fighting is just in peoples nature like other animals.

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Hi Badgerbritches - Nice to see you too.

I used to be a great fan of Ultimate Fighting (when it first came out).
It fascinated me to watch man being the animal he is.
I'm sorry, on multiple levels, man doesn't have the same kind of 'outlets' for his (or her) savagery, as we used to have.

I do believe if we, as a society, still had the need to fight to survive, the need to kill to eat (etc) we would actually see a lot LESS of the violence and mayhem that we do now.

I think man, as an animal, has a basic need to go through the trials of 'live or die' (so to speak) and without it, well, the only way to feed that dark craving turns almost 'evil' if you will, to manifest itself in horrid ways towards the meek, towards animals, towards children.

peace

These fighters are free to beat the snot out of each other if they want to. However, I think we are just seeing the evolution of televised fights.

Growing up, I watched Georgia Championship Wrestling in the early years of cable TV. It was cheesy but fun and looked "real" to me. That evolved into WWF then downhill into its current state. I think core fans of "wrestling" got bored and are now feeding the craze and popularity of MMA.

What's next??

THese guys were the masters.

These guys (and gals) are highly trained and highly skilled athletes. They want to fight; they are going to fight, regardless. The fights are highly regulated and stringently refereed. Ideally, these fighters wish to bring their opponent down with as little violence as possible, namely by submission techniques. I have no problem with the sport and enjoy watching a well orchestrated "chess match".

Are there dangers involved? Sure there are; however, there are dangers in many sports that are declared legitimate by the masses.

My 2-cents