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Violent Anti-Mosque crowd turns on Black Carpenter
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It's fine for the owners of the land to lease to the Muslims so they can build a mosque but it's not alright for the Muslims to actually build a mosque on the land the owners leased to them. Is that about right?
Ignorance is truly bliss! It truly is. Especially when you have talking heads spreading hate on the airwaves.
My point is you guys have it backwards. Your anger is directed at the wrong people. You actually think Silverstein is wringing his hands about this whole situation wishing he didn't do it to begin with? This man is counting his money. He don't see Muslim. He sees dollar signs.
It's fine for the owners of the land to lease to the Muslims so they can build a mosque but it's not alright for the Muslims to actually build a mosque on the land the owners leased to them. Is that about right?
Ignorance is truly bliss! It truly is. Especially when you have talking heads spreading hate on the airwaves.
My point is you guys have it backwards. Your anger is directed at the wrong people. You actually think Silverstein is wringing his hands about this whole situation wishing he didn't do it to begin with? This man is counting his money. He don't see Muslim. He sees dollar signs.
I suspect very strongly that the entire incident was staged
and now we learn that zionists were the instigators of the mosque
proposal
Which is NO surprise ! Gee .... you could see it a mile away
Read an interesting article yesterday in another forum
revealing that Obama has warned against those who are organised
who work for pay
who are earning overtime right now
using the media (including of course, forums)
to 'shape and form' opinions
in other words, to put ideas in the minds of the public
Organised, mind
working for pay
using forums just like this as their free platform
and banking on the assumption that people are so weak, so
desperate even for strangers' approval
that they will go with whatever 'tide of opinion' exists
And because these Paid to Comment traitors work in organised blocks
they move in packs to create artificial 'tides of opinion'
And they back-slap each other all the way, and agree with each other
and furiously try to bury or destroy those who have minds of their
own, and the courage to speak it
Of course, those with eyes to see and minds to remember, have no
doubt that the 'Crowd turns on Carpenter' incident
was staged
and now we learn that zionists were the instigators of the mosque
proposal
Which is NO surprise ! Gee .... you could see it a mile away
Read an interesting article yesterday in another forum
revealing that Obama has warned against those who are organised
who work for pay
who are earning overtime right now
using the media (including of course, forums)
to 'shape and form' opinions
in other words, to put ideas in the minds of the public
Organised, mind
working for pay
using forums just like this as their free platform
and banking on the assumption that people are so weak, so
desperate even for strangers' approval
that they will go with whatever 'tide of opinion' exists
And because these Paid to Comment traitors work in organised blocks
they move in packs to create artificial 'tides of opinion'
And they back-slap each other all the way, and agree with each other
and furiously try to bury or destroy those who have minds of their
own, and the courage to speak it
Of course, those with eyes to see and minds to remember, have no
doubt that the 'Crowd turns on Carpenter' incident
was staged
Originally posted by silent thunder
All it will take is some nutcase with a bullhorn to get up on a stump and start shouting whatever...a bunch of loosely-strung-togehter random slogans from any ideology or even opposite ideologies would do. Logic and reason has nothing to do with it. These people are opeating purely from their limbic systems and all higher cortical reasoning functions are scrambled by the powerful emotional surge.
You mean like this:
from: www.abovetopsecret.com...
reply to post by silent thunder
No way!....This is what mob bahavior is like.
edited to sdd....you tube video.
[edit on 24-8-2010 by MY2Commoncentsworth]
Originally posted by silent thunder
The ignorant people in the mob are not acting like real Americans. This was a mob, this is what a mob acts like, not civilized humans. Ever read words like "mob psychology" and "mob behavior" and think, "well, that's just too bizzare to happen" ? Well, here you see it in the freaking flesh. This is what mob behavior is.
No way!....This is what mob bahavior is like.
edited to sdd....you tube video.
[edit on 24-8-2010 by MY2Commoncentsworth]
reply to post by MY2Commoncentsworth
Thank you for that answer. It was getting a bit confusing, even if it WAS entertaining.
Have you ascertained which particular section they are claiming for support? It can't be the first Amendment, since that one specifically deals with congressional interference in religious affairs, either for or against. It specifically bans congress from weighing in on the issue one way or the other, but doesn't preempt anyone else from doing so.
Or are they trying to insinuate that congress has passed a law in this matter?
Thank you for that answer. It was getting a bit confusing, even if it WAS entertaining.
Have you ascertained which particular section they are claiming for support? It can't be the first Amendment, since that one specifically deals with congressional interference in religious affairs, either for or against. It specifically bans congress from weighing in on the issue one way or the other, but doesn't preempt anyone else from doing so.
Or are they trying to insinuate that congress has passed a law in this matter?
Tolerance for a man with a skull cap and a attitude at a anti Mosque rally , I think thats a joke , Would a KKK member get Tolerance at a Louis
Farrakhan pro Mosque rally ???
Hard Hats against the Mosque , We wont build it and thats that the Unions wont let it happen , Deal with it Allah
Hard Hats against the Mosque , We wont build it and thats that the Unions wont let it happen , Deal with it Allah
reply to post by yenko13
What does the Ku Klux Klan and the Nation of Islam have to do with this?; which the Nation of Islam is not consider a part of the Islamic religion.
www.muhajabah.com...
Tolerance for a man with a skull cap and a attitude at a anti Mosque rally , I think thats a joke , Would a KKK member get Tolerance at a Louis Farrakhan pro Mosque rally ???
What does the Ku Klux Klan and the Nation of Islam have to do with this?; which the Nation of Islam is not consider a part of the Islamic religion.
www.muhajabah.com...
Originally posted by jonjanderson
reply to post by I AM LEGION
The only fair and sensitive thing to do is share Meca Saudi Arabia with a Jewish Synagogue and Christian church next to the Kaaba.
Please explain your logic. As you in fact equating the USA with Saudi Arabia ?
The simple fact that this Mosque SHOULD be allowed to be built is to demonstrate that the people of the United States believe in our strength as a nation. Putting aside differences of ethnic origin, religion etc. in favor of being the melting pot. This nation was (and still should be) unique in that lofty goal.
What other nations choose to do or not do should have no influence on this whatsoever.
9/11 was a tragedy. It was unforgivable. It was caused by blind, fanatical hatred.
Do you wish to walk that path ? Are you honest enough to say " I will not hate a man for his differences. But I will hold him responsible for his actions."
Not his religion or race, but his actions. I think many can longer make that distinction and the world is worse for it.
Is there anyone here that knows anyone who was a victim of 911? I'm curious to hear your thoughts about the anti-mosque argument. And how you view
muslums.
I've very much enjoyed reading this thread, and though insideNSA provides the "LOLS" in loads, which I whole heartedly thank him for. I've yet to hear anything from the anti-mosque argument that is BEYOND the parroted talking points repeated over and over by msm as shown in the above quotes as well as from the other replys of posters from that side of the aisle of this issue.
Is there any other anti-mosque ATS members who are able to give a more formidable defense of your stance? Something original, so that I might better understand your position if it indeed is not one of bandwagon fear and bigotry?
I am open to alternative views, as long as they are of your own. I am just having trouble going against the first amendment on this thing as I would any other. Help me see it in your perspective, please.
Protoplasmic Traveler may I just say, that you literally leave me in AWE of your posts. I hope the mods will allow me to humbly commend and thank you for sharing your insights.
Originally posted by insideNSA
this has nothing to do with hate, but respect for the families of 9/11.
they can build the mosque almost anywhere else that is available.
why does it have to be here where it becomes a sensitive issue?
I've very much enjoyed reading this thread, and though insideNSA provides the "LOLS" in loads, which I whole heartedly thank him for. I've yet to hear anything from the anti-mosque argument that is BEYOND the parroted talking points repeated over and over by msm as shown in the above quotes as well as from the other replys of posters from that side of the aisle of this issue.
Is there any other anti-mosque ATS members who are able to give a more formidable defense of your stance? Something original, so that I might better understand your position if it indeed is not one of bandwagon fear and bigotry?
I am open to alternative views, as long as they are of your own. I am just having trouble going against the first amendment on this thing as I would any other. Help me see it in your perspective, please.
Protoplasmic Traveler may I just say, that you literally leave me in AWE of your posts. I hope the mods will allow me to humbly commend and thank you for sharing your insights.
Originally posted by Romantic_Rebel
reply to post by yenko13
Tolerance for a man with a skull cap and a attitude at a anti Mosque rally , I think thats a joke , Would a KKK member get Tolerance at a Louis Farrakhan pro Mosque rally ???
What does the Ku Klux Klan and the Nation of Islam have to do with this?; which the Nation of Islam is not consider a part of the Islamic religion.
www.muhajabah.com...
Then tell me who this is ???????????????????????
webcache.googleusercontent.com...:mXpyDyyttAgJ:www.noi.org/mlfbio.htm+farrakan+is+muslim&cd=5&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us
Bio Sketch of The Honorable
Minister Louis Farrakhan
National Representative of the Honorable Elijah Muhammad and The Nation of Islam
[edit on 103131p://pmvpm by yenko13]
Originally posted by yenko13
Tolerance for a man with a skull cap and a attitude at a anti Mosque rally , I think thats a joke , Would a KKK member get Tolerance at a Louis Farrakhan pro Mosque rally ???
Are people going to be attacking black men in wave caps next? Yesh, it's a skull cap.
www.underarmour.com...|Google&campaign=gbase&CAWELAID=128374617
OMG THE MUSLIMS ARE HERE SKULL CAPS!
reply to post by nenothtu
They just do not understand what you have just addressed.
There are those who support the Mosque who have real concerns about possibilities of violence against Muslims, and these are legitimate concerns, and they should be addressed. But there has been no violence at the anti-mosque protests.
Originally posted by nenothtu
Thank you for that answer. It was getting a bit confusing, even if it WAS entertaining.
Have you ascertained which particular section they are claiming for support? It can't be the first Amendment, since that one specifically deals with congressional interference in religious affairs, either for or against. It specifically bans congress from weighing in on the issue one way or the other, but doesn't preempt anyone else from doing so.
Or are they trying to insinuate that congress has passed a law in this matter?
They just do not understand what you have just addressed.
There are those who support the Mosque who have real concerns about possibilities of violence against Muslims, and these are legitimate concerns, and they should be addressed. But there has been no violence at the anti-mosque protests.
Originally posted by ollncasino
*snip*
Then they tried to build a mosque beside Ground Zero and name it after a victory mosque they had built on top of a conquered Spanish Cathedral.
*snip*
I gave your arguments validity and read them but this is the point where I had too much. First of all they changed the name because some people apparently think like you. Second you might check out the wiki and see how they conquered and then lost it again. Hardly a "victory mosque".
Not to point out for the millionth time that noone ever intented to build a mosque anywhere. What about that is so hard to understand? Your whole argument is moot because the very basis is of it is a fantasy.
Originally posted by nunya13
the Constitution was meant to protect the rights of minorities more than anything.
Sort of correct, as far as it goes. It just doesn't go far enough. What you have said here singles out "minorities", and extends preferential treatment to only them "more than anything".
That makes them "more equal" than the rest of the populace.
What the Constitution ACTUALLY protects is the rights of "The People" against government abuse, not merely minorities.
SO - it protects the minorities rights (against the government) only as far as they are part of the rest of "The People", NOT "more than anything".
I cant get that old link to work try this
www.religionnewsblog.com...
farrakhan says he is muslim and thats what this has to do with the that ,
www.religionnewsblog.com...
farrakhan says he is muslim and thats what this has to do with the that ,
Originally posted by schrodingers dog
Originally posted by insideNSA
this has nothing to do with hate, but respect for the families of 9/11.
Precisely the opposite and the biggest lie of this whole nonsense ... nothing could be MORE disrespectful that for YOU to assume you know what THEY feel and for YOU to speak on THEIR behalf to pimp your dogma and twisted ideology.
I am sure some feel like yourself and I know for a FACT many do not!
How do I know?
Because I was there.
I just read your post after I posted. You have my condolences. Can you tell me if you've ran into any other victims who are against this? And what do they say about it?
Originally posted by yenko13
I cant get that old link to work try this
www.religionnewsblog.com...
farrakhan says he is muslim and thats what this has to do with the that ,
Well if I told you I was Jesus in the flesh would you believe me? Yes, and sadly these people call them self's Muslims. They are more a cult who originated off a fertility.
Here's a great site explaining how the Nation of Islam is not a part of mainstream Islam. www.islamfortoday.com...
Malcom X was apart of the group. When he pilgrimage to Mecca he really converted to Islam. It's hard to explain to someone who doesn't know about the group.
[edit on 23-8-2010 by Romantic_Rebel]
Lets build a A six hundred 66 foot cross with Christ on it in all the muslim Countries we invaded see how they LOVE us baby , That would end this
debate quick , BUILD THE BIG CROSSES FORGET THE MOSQUE
Originally posted by Dock9
I suspect very strongly that the entire incident was staged
and now we learn that zionists were the instigators of the mosque
proposal
Which is NO surprise ! Gee .... you could see it a mile away
in other words, to put ideas in the minds of the public
Organised, mind
working for pay
using forums just like this as their free platform
and banking
And because these Paid to Comment traitors work in organised blocks
they move in packs to create artificial 'tides of opinion'
And they back-slap each other all the way, and agree with each other
and furiously try to bury or destroy those who have minds of their
own, and the courage to speak it
Of course, those with eyes to see and minds to remember, have no
doubt that the 'Crowd turns on Carpenter' incident
was staged
You have a way with words you should write a book about your struggle to be heard and get your truth out, you could title it My Struggle, you never know where that might take you.
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