The Biggest Coup D'état In Human History?

Originally posted by airspoon
reply to post by KpxMarMoTT

 

Well not exactly ….. The Treasury, which is a privately held company, has bought the government and all the “wealth” of the nation.

Nice thread, however the "Treasury" is not privately held. You must be confusing it with the Federal Reserve, which also isn't privately held, though it is often mistaken as such. For the purposes of this post, I'll assume you meant the Federal Reserve.

The issue of whether the Federal Reserve is public or private is complicated to say the least, though it certainly isn't privately held. The accurate answer is actually neither public nor private.

On one hand, it was created by Congress in 1913 and still has oversight, to a degree. For instance, the President appoints and the Senate confirms the members of its Board of Governors. Also, after it pays for its expenses, it hands off the profits to the Treasury Dept. Its expenses is the tricky part and could be seen as profitting those who influence it.
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What you say sounds reasonable and appears to be related to evidence. However it's wrong.

The Federal Reserve Board of Governors is appointed by the government. Ben Bernanke is a political appointee. It sets an unimportant interest rate, the "discount rate." It's unimportant because banks are discouraged from borrowing from the Fed, and it shows weakness when they do, and they are strong rather than weak, so they don't.

Any profits from the Board of Governors are annually swept into the Treasury. They post their annual financial reports on their website. They are nice people and they work for you, more or less.

The Federal Reserve Banks are privately held. Most important among these (by far) is the Federal Reserve Bank of NY. It determines a very important interest rate, the Fed Funds Rate target. Fed Funds are not federal, they are overnight loans between banks. The NY Fed intervenes in the interbank market (via trading known as open market operations) to keep the Fed Funds rate near the target. Since the NY Fed has a "license to trade" as it were, they may do other things in their open market operations. What do they do? Well I don't know, and I don't think they're telling.

The Federal Reserve Banks do not, as far as I know, give their profits to anyone else. They do not post their annual financial statements. They are quite happy for you to confuse them with the Board of Governors.

Originally posted by KpxMarMoTT
Section 31 , I am glad you are so proud of being an american. I can not be happier for you! And even if you are proud of living in another country then mine, I fail to see how that pertains to anything I have said?

Please explain:

Hey doncha Know no Frenchy talks smack about the USA infronta Section31, even if it's all true and the USA is slipping down the slope to open Fascism, don't be sayin it, the man's got pride and can feel shame.

Ok so 1000 + organizations that are paid by your country without any justifications into what it is serving , constitutes fear on my part? Hows about your country invading a nation because they were afraid that “terrorists” would cause attacks, and yet provide no proof hand the crime scene was tampered with? And how is it not all of our problem, when soldiers from every country supporting yours, are killed for a war that is more of an occupation? How is it fear, when you know people from both countries , personnaly, that have died , for something even the victims family do not even believe. You go ahead and ask them.


Explain how my “fear” has anything to do with the liberties that your country and mine no longer have. And tell me why my interest in the situation makes me a fear monger? My countries soldiers are risking their lives for an event that did not take place in the same way your country says it happened.

The truth is nowhere to be found on official channels and so we ask.

And somehow questioning what is happening, makes me, a fear monger?


Sorry dude I have been here for a long time I never write to instill fear. I write because I like writing. I like expressing myself and what I see. I see you joined ats this year and you probably don’t know this already, but we have a common goal here, and it is to deny ignorance .


Ignorance, is not about being intolerant to those that question the status QUO.I wonder even if Ignorance is about saying that someone is a fear monger when all you bring to the table is a discussion. Ignorance is not accepting someone, because he is from another country. Ignorance is all about not questioning anything because it defies what you already know.


So to you I say welcome to ATS, and learn to accept the difference and to deny ignorance. Thank you

reply to post by KpxMarMoTT

You are living in a world of paranoia and fear, so don't start spreading it like it is some kind of truth. It is only your opinion.

Did you get the tinfoil hat?


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No something about the CIA not wanting it to be contaminated by Tar Sand my country is trying to sell to yours.... For some reason it's not allowed.

Why don't you go ahead and wear one and tell me how it feels!!

(and my opinion is closer to the facts, than your own opinion about me Bouhya)

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reply to post by KpxMarMoTT

You are clearly a paranoid person. You can tell by the dramatic thread title. It could not have been more evident.

Relax, man. You need to just chill out. You are creating a conspiracy of sorts, which really does not exist in any way, shape, or form.

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reply to post by airspoon


Good catch, Airspoon!!
The U.S. Treasury, actuall PRINTS the money- THEN ships it to the FED, who THEN "LENDS" it BACK, AT INTERSET.
GREAT GIG, if you can stomach it.

reply to post by airspoon


Good catch, Airspoon!!
The U.S. Treasury, actuall PRINTS the money- THEN ships it to the FED, who THEN "LENDS" it BACK, AT INTERSET.
GREAT GIG, if you can stomach it.

reply to post by airspoon


Good catch, Airspoon!!
The U.S. Treasury, actuall PRINTS the money- THEN ships it to the FED, who THEN "LENDS" it BACK, AT INTERSET.
GREAT GIG, if you can stomach it.

reply to post by Patriotgal


Sorry, for the double post- sometimes, my keyboard, goes wonky.

This is stupid, even If I were paranoid, what does this have to do with anything? You obviously have nothing to answer me then something about how a nutcase I am. You never answer anything , I mean you act exactly how a total douche bag would. I’m not calling you a douche there, just pointing out the obvious.


Seriously why are you here shill? Don’t like no frenchy?

Ohh and I found this as well.

www.bloomberg.com...

So much for my paranoia:




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Originally posted by KpxMarMoTT
This is stupid, even If I were paranoid, what does this have to do with anything? You obviously have nothing to answer me then something about how a nutcase I am. You never answer anything , I mean you act exactly how a total douche bag would. I’m not calling you a douche there, just pointing out the obvious.

It is kind of interesting. I did answer your question on the previous page. Since you didn't like my answer, you chose to ignore what I had posted.

My statement about how Quebec was involved with trying to separate itself from Canada, due to how people speak, was not to call anyone a racist. It was merely to send a message that your own country is going through problems of its own. I have no problems with French people. I just have a problem with foreigners who are telling my fellow citizens that we got it wrong.

If you want my analysis about the issue, you can see my answer on the previous page.

What does paranoia have to due with any issue? Paranoia is caused by a certain amount of fear, which has been derived by not understanding the unknown. It can have a great impact on society. Unless people keep their fears in check, you can ultimately spread it like a disease.

You are worried about what is happening in another country, for you fear that it will have an impact on your own life. Instead of confronting your specific fears on a personal level, you are allowing them to become an elaborate conspiracy. All based upon a personal level of paranoia.

Edit:: Your article is based upon another man's speculation. He is only theorizing. Nothing more. He has no proof. It is all based upon fear and speculation.

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reply to post by Section31


What happens when the beacon of freedom in the world descends into the darkest tyranny?

A coup doesn't have to be from foreign entities, and the ones we have have no allegiance to this nation in any concept you live by (or apparently understand).

www.abovetopsecret.com...
If you could respond to that then you might have a shot at dispelling the reality that full scale economic warfare is being waged here, and everywhere. Please do bring the debate, you'd be the first to really challenge the premise of that thread. And then if you can get passed that, we can move on to what the war being waged against us is about, where again you'd be the first to bring an actual argument. Hurling ad hominem attacks, or just dismissing things as paranoia doesn't make them not true, and not bringing actual arguments (beyond justifying past violations of the Constitution as valid now that they're openly instituted) makes one look foolish.

At the very least, explain what it would take for you to acknowledge the premise of this thread as being true.

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Ok I understand now, because my country has issues, means that I am spreading paranoia to your fellow citizens. I don’t get that one. Since I consider that I do not believe in any type of government in any form, I fail to see how the shortcomings of the society I am forced to live in, concerns anything about being able to discern mistakes or even evil doings.
I believe that no matter where you are on earth there is no way around it, Government will always be controlling peoples lives, and you have no choice but to live within the system that was already there , already in place , before you even were born. That this government and cabal of banks, controlling the entire worlds financial futures, does concern everyone. Not just Americans, But Canadians , Germans, Chinese etc etc. It concerns EVERYONE.


Your vision about the policy of your government being viewed and commented by other countries in the world, is only normal because you do not view the problem as being what it is. The United States is a leader and its decisions influence everyone.


Yes…. Even small Quebec province, even though we never really separated from Canada and the vote did not pass.

reply to post by ~Lucidity


M3, a measure of the quantity of money and money-equivalents in circulation. Since then it's been estimated that M3 has gone down while narrower measures of money like M1 and M2 have gone up.

In other words they're printing like crazy (what they print is called "base money" or M0) but people aren't borrowing and engaging in voluntary risky economic activity and enterprise

A good site to follow this is www.shadowstats.com...

reply to post by Patriotgal


I like your signature. THUS ALWAYS TO TYRANTS!

Are you a Virginian too?

Originally posted by oniongrass

In other words they're printing like crazy (what they print is called "base money" or M0) but people aren't borrowing and engaging in voluntary risky economic activity and enterprise

A good site to follow this is www.shadowstats.com...

Thank you for the awesome site, will definitely be taking a look into this every so often. thanks for it