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Opposition to the “Ground Zero Mosque” issue has reached critical mass. Well-known public figures, such as Newt Gingrich and Sarah Palin, have spoken out against it. Rick Lazio (candidate for governor of New York) and NY Rep. Peter King have called for investigations of the funding for the mosque. Organizations have created ads opposing it.
Public opinion is rising against the construction of this mosque. A Rasmussen poll released last Friday found that 58% of New Yorkers oppose building the mosque at ground zero, with only 20% in favor. What’s more, 60% doubt that the motivation for the mosque is to showcase the peaceful side of Islam.
Imam Feisal Rauf, the central figure in the coterie planning a huge mosque just off Ground Zero, is a full-throated champion of the very same Muslim theologians and jurists identified in a landmark NYPD report as central to promoting the Islamic religious bigotry that fuels modern jihad terrorism.
This fact alone should compel Police Commissioner Raymond Kelly and Mayor Bloomberg to withdraw their support for the proposed mosque.
In August 2007, the NYPD released "Radicalization in the West -- The Homegrown Threat." This landmark 90-page report looked at the threat that had become apparent since 9/11, analyzing the roots of recent terror plots in the United States, from Lackawanna, NY, to Portland, Ore., to Fort Dix, NJ.
At least two of Imam Rauf's books, a 2000 treatise on Islamic law and his 2004 "What's Right with Islam," laud the implementation of sharia -- including within America -- and the "rejuvenating" Islamic religious spirit of Ibn Taymiyyah and al-Wahhab.
In short, Feisal Rauf's public image as a devotee of the "contemplative" Sufi school of Islam cannot change the fact that his writings directed at Muslims are full of praise for the most noxious and dangerous Muslim thinkers.
Also relevant is the Muslim Leaders of Tomorrow program run by the American Society for Muslim Advancement, an organization founded by Rauf and now run by his wife. Among the future leaders it has recognized are one of the co-authors of a "denunciation" of the NYPD report, a counter-report endorsed by all major Wahhabi-front organizations in America. Another "future leader" of interest to New Yorkers: Debbie Almontaser, the onetime head of the city's Khalil Gibran Academy.
More revealing is the fact that Rauf himself has refused to sign a straightforward pledge to "repudiate the threat from authoritative sharia to the religious freedom and safety of former Muslims," a pledge issued nine months ago by ex-Muslims under threat for their "apostasy." That refusal is a tacit admission that Rauf believes that sharia trumps such fundamental Western principles as freedom of conscience.
Wahhabism -- whether in the form promoted by Saudi money around the globe, or in the more openly nihilist brand embraced by terrorists -- is a totalitarian ideology comparable to Nazism or, closer still, the "state Shintoism" of imperial Japan. We would never have allowed a Shinto shrine at the site of the Pearl Harbor carnage -- especially one to serve as a recruiting station for Tokyo's militarists while World War II was still on.
Originally posted by ~Lucidity
It's freaking four blocks away and it's not a freaking mosque. And oh, by the way, there's already a mosque four blocks from Ground Zero. Duh.
They're really digging deep. That's okay though...keep pissing off more and more of the billion Muslims in the world.
Originally posted by tothetenthpower
*sigh*
Bunch of children crying over spilled milk.
You know if they were trying to build a church we would have NEVER heard about it. This is ignorance and bigotry at it's finest.
Who cares whether they build a mosque at Ground Zero? There's a strip club there too!
You were not attacked by Islam, you were attacked by religious extremists.
Stop confusing bigotry for patriotism.
~Keeper
Originally posted by tothetenthpower
reply to post by LeoVirgo
We aren't "choosing" one religion, how many churches are in the same area? How many synagogues?
Come on now, this isn't about protecting America or honoring those who died on 9/11, it's about people unjustified bigotry of Islam and Muslims in general.
~Keeper
But the world is too polarized for that to happen right now. They want to keep this whole Christian--Islam war going for the moment.
it's about the very real fear that the extreme factions will use this place for teaching of the same kind of extreme views that brought down the world trade center towers.
Originally posted by jam321
reply to post by JohnPhoenix
it's about the very real fear that the extreme factions will use this place for teaching of the same kind of extreme views that brought down the world trade center towers.
Should fear be the basis we use in determining who gets to build what where?
No. it's about the very real fear that the extreme factions will use this place for teaching of the same kind of extreme views that brought down the world trade center towers.
Now, if the government could strictly regulate what is taught there - the good side of Islam then I would have no problem with it.. But we both know that isn't going to happen and it is well known that these extreme factions will use any means to spread their agenda.
If the Christians factions had a habit and history of killing people who do not agree with them and had many large extreme violent factions, I would be wary of them too.
You are the only one I see trying to make this into a bigotry issue.
Originally posted by JohnPhoenix
No. it's about the very real fear that the extreme factions will use this place for teaching of the same kind of extreme views that brought down the world trade center towers.
If the Christians factions had a habit and history of killing people who do not agree with them and had many large extreme violent factions, I would be wary of them too.
Originally posted by tothetenthpower
No. it's about the very real fear that the extreme factions will use this place for teaching of the same kind of extreme views that brought down the world trade center towers.
I'm trying really hard to not laugh at you John...it's difficult when you say nonsensical things like that. I'm sorry you allow FEAR and PROPAGANDA to dictate your reactions and behaviour.
I urge you to go out and MEET some of these people so you can better understand that they are people just like you and me...
Would you be upset if it was a church being built?
Now, if the government could strictly regulate what is taught there - the good side of Islam then I would have no problem with it.. But we both know that isn't going to happen and it is well known that these extreme factions will use any means to spread their agenda.
Yes, cause lack of government regulation is the problem when it comes to religion right? I don't know anything about the situation cause I dont' live there and I don't make ASSUMPTIONS about people I do not know.
If the Christians factions had a habit and history of killing people who do not agree with them and had many large extreme violent factions, I would be wary of them too.
Really? Ok now I'm laughing. Are you kidding me? Christians according do you, do not have a long history of slaughtering people who don't agree with their ideas or morals?
Alrighty then....
You are the only one I see trying to make this into a bigotry issue.
As you've already shown, it IS a bigotry issue. What other cause is there? You already made blanket statements and have shown your dislike for those who follow the teachings of Islam.
Isn't your problem with this because of Bigotry? Or at least dislike for these people?
~Keeper
[edit on 7/26/2010 by tothetenthpower]
Originally posted by JohnPhoenix
I said fear is a valid factor. This is true. It causes us to examine the circumstances of the situation in new light.
Terrorism is the systematic use of terror especially as a means of coercion.[1] At present, the International community has been unable to formulate a universally agreed, legally binding, criminal law definition of terrorism.[2][3] Common definitions of terrorism refer only to those violent acts which are intended to create fear (terror), are perpetrated for an ideological goal, and deliberately target or disregard the safety of non-combatants (civilians).
do personally know many Islamic people.. an yes, they are just like you and me.. except for the extreme factions of them.
Even the normal Islamic people do not agree with them. I am not putting them into one boat as you are trying to make me out to do. Only you are doing that. I have said the same a lot in this thread.