Believe in UFO's now?

reply to post by notsoperfect

because if you dig a little bit deep into the subject, you will find out that there is no way all those UFO informations could be false.

What? Could you point me into what your digging into that leads you to believe there is "no way all those UFO informations could be false. "? I am unaware of any resources other than personal desire and belief that could lead one to such an absurd conclusion.

Everyone that believes I am jealous!!! Its just I cant believe something I have not seen(Accept for The big guy upstairs lol) any way I wish I believed in UFO's, ghost's, bigfoot, but I just cant, so your question and the way you put it, sorry I dont

Either you do or you dont! no "grey" area

Originally posted by XxRagingxPandaxX

Originally posted by chaosinorder
See the thing between ufo and governments are simple. Its like a saying goes in my country.
"We can wake up a person who is sleeping, but we cant wake up a person who is acting like sleeping"

It makes me wonder if these extra terrestrials aren't for the common good! Maybe there for the power elite and by cooperating with our government the government just stands by and lets them conduct experiments on humans, of course this is just hypothetical and just a theory.

Should we believe the story that aliens visits us and nation leaders do nothing or help cover it up, it is a likely scenario, that said leaders are in fact those same aliens commuting to and fro their power base.

reply to post by XxRagingxPandaxX


The amount of work you put into this thread is commendable so I am giving you credit for that .

However , simply compiling a comprehensive list of believers is not sufficient in the way of proving anything .

You could just as well compile an enormous list of people who believe in santa claus ., that would prove nothing to anyone who doesn't already believe in him .

I'm not criticizing your work , nor your position , I'm simply pointing out what I've already mentioned above .

BTW , I am a believer . I have a thread somewhere describing my experience .


Here it is :www.abovetopsecret.com...

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The problem of Ufology isn't the amount of evidences.

Is the lack of proof.

Originally posted by okbmd

However , simply compiling a comprehensive list of believers is not sufficient in the way of proving anything .

Exactly. Of course there are UFO's, but I don't think they are of ET origin. There are government and private sector secret projects that I'm sure encompass prototype aircraft. That's the only explanation that I've ever believed in or that is remotely logical.

I have no doubt that there is life in the universe other than here, but not that they have come here in little flying saucers to stick probes up our butts and kill cows. That's simply rediculous.

If an alien lands on the white house lawn, I'll be the first to come in here and sing all of your praises, but not before.

reply to post by XxRagingxPandaxX


Good post and i've said for quite a while now, if you look at all the tech which has come about since the 40's and then check what happened as regards to UFO's and stuff, you can see a big leap in Technology.... a big leap!!

Think about it logiocally.... in 60 odd years look where we are.... of course it all started with huge machines but now you can get a little chip with as much memory as those big machines once had... slowly but surely we have manufactured and engineered to the Aliens standard. All that remains is to master the Anti-grav spacecraft and we'll be a match for them if they ever came to harm us.... which we hope won't happen coz really they must have even better machines then the ones which have flown here....

EDIT TO ADD: DON'T QUOTE ME ON THE ABOVE

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Originally posted by XxRagingxPandaxX
Disclosure isn't necessary because if you put research into ufology you'll find the information is out there it's just your decision to look it up!

that's easy enough, the problem is what do you do now? that's the real problem.

Knowledge isn't enough, none of us have the power to do anything, UFOlogists have spend decades uncovering the subject to no avail, and meaningful impact on events that will lead to disclosure.

Not even the president is cleared to know about all these secrets and undoubtedly has as little ability as the average civilian to be able to do anything.

I thought I would comment on this thread, if anything OP you have stirred some great conversation that has produced some solid logical points. S + F

As far as my opinions go, I am of the mindset that we, if visited, aren't being visited by what we think, or how we think. Confused , basically I don't believe we as humans may be able to perceive visually or mentally the visitations that possibly occur to us. I also believe this is why evidence, while being out there, is usually unclear or written off as natural phenomenon.

I liked the Religion parallel very much, to expand upon what was said, I believe in UFO's in the way I believe in Religion/God. If it does exist, then it exists in a form that we either can't comprehend mentally, or can't perceive visually.

In regards to the infamous "Drake Equation" I think the equation itself is very subjective in reference to the variables in the equation. A lot like survey's and polls, the results a person wants to attain can be met by manipulation. However, finds such as the recent news on Titan, and what could likely be similar news for Europa in the future, create a more definitive set of variables to plug into the equation, thus IMO strengthening its relevance.

I can let anyone who wants to see a UFO. I won't charge a penny. I will throw something past your head, and you won't be able to identify it. This is a UFO. Now aliens, I don't have any of those. I doubt they have visited.

Originally posted by okbmd
reply to post by XxRagingxPandaxX

 

The amount of work you put into this thread is commendable so I am giving you credit for that .

However , simply compiling a comprehensive list of believers is not sufficient in the way of proving anything .

You could just as well compile an enormous list of people who believe in santa claus ., that would prove nothing to anyone who doesn't already believe in him .

I'm not criticizing your work , nor your position , I'm simply pointing out what I've already mentioned above .

BTW , I am a believer . I have a thread somewhere describing my experience .


Here it is :www.abovetopsecret.com...

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1. Thanks for posting a comment, all comments are welcome!

2. Most of the quoter's are not just "believers' there knower's. Because many of them have had an experience of their own.There not crazy conspiracy theorists there astronauts, presidents, etc... all highly accomplished in their day.

3.Santa is for little children, so thats who you would be compiling a list of, these men are highly accomplished, highly motivated, and highly influential in their day.

4. Most of the people on my quote list are in a better position to say what goes on behind the scenes of our government then any of us are!

5. All are entitled to an opinion and if you respect mine which it seems you do, i'll respect yours!






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reply to post by MordanECU
What you say could be true, if it is, the question is can they perceive us and if they can why so, why can they perceive us but us not them?




Your comment made me think of this!



www.youtube.com...




They look like energy balls to me. Weird for sure!

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Hey, look at some of my UFO video footage. Then tell me that there are no Extraterrestrials visiting us.
www.youtube.com...

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reply to post by KILL_DOGG

Exactly. Of course there are UFO's, but I don't think they are of ET origin. There are government and private sector secret projects that I'm sure encompass prototype aircraft. That's the only explanation that I've ever believed in or that is remotely logical.
I have no doubt that there is life in the universe other than here, but not that they have come here in little flying saucers to stick probes up our butts and kill cows. That's simply rediculous.

Well, some stories of foreign visitors, flying objects, unexplainable events have been told for centuries, we can find some pictures of flying saucers on caves' walls, on pieces of pottery or on paintings... far before man could fly, even before the idea of private sector. This argument is IMHO not a good one.
Moreover, we as an evolving race don't have any legitimacy to say that something is "possible" or not, "ridiculous" or not. 300 hundreds years ago, the Internet would have seem "impossible", and the idea of life on other planets would have seem "ridiculous". We should not try to analyze the motivations of a race that may be tenth of thousands of year elder than ours. This is not a matter of being logical and realistic, as those notions have been changing constantly throughout history.

I find UFOs to be a rather fascinating phenomena, as well as cryptozoology and paranormal happenings. However, sometimes the evidence is good and other times rather lacking, and it's nearly impossible to say exactly what is being seen or observed when such evidence is presented. I would love to believe that the Tasmanian tiger isn't extinct and that there may be some unidentified giant primate living in the Pacific northwest of the United States. But sadly truly concrete evidence is still lacking. For instance, the Google UFO pic someone posted, if I had been told nothing about that photo I would interpret the "spheres" as a formation of airplanes or perhaps military jets.

I do believe that there surely must be other life out in the universe, given the increasing number of planets being found all the time and all of the stars that are like ours or different ones that can support life on a planet. But the notion that an alien race has been traveling across the vastness of space to visit us (for whatever alleged purposes, the whole notion some people have of them breeding with us strikes me as lunacy - if they are so far more advanced than we are, that would be like us wanting to breed ourselves with cockroaches!) is bordering on the very edge of plausibility.

In order to get here (and not spend many decades in some kind of suspended animation - they would face the same problems we would if traveling long distances - coming home to a planet where everyone you know is dead and you have gone centuries into the future + they have to return to this far away base sometime) in any sort of a timely fashion and also be able to return quickly, they would need to use a wormhole. Now, science has taught us that to create a wormhole (which is still theoretical) you need a massive amount of energy, on the order of a star. The aliens would have to park this wormhole somewhat close by to study us in detail (and get back quickly to their home planet to further analyze and store the data, or in case of an emergency). Considering that we have many telescopes that scan the skies in all electromagnetic bandwidths, surely we would see such a huge radiation of energy. We may be pretty poor at getting off this rock but we are very good at seeing what's beyond it, at least those things that are a few light years away.

Unless of course one believes that they have some kind of cloaking device, like the Romulans in Star Trek. Again, this is on the very edge of plausibility. You can bend light around something to make it invisible (that has been done here on earth by humans using microwaves already) but you still need a very large source of energy that would have to show up in some other bandwidth than visible light.

I would would concur with those who say witnesses are likely seeing black military projects or are simply mis-identifying known phenomena. Remember also that much new technology of the past few decades came out of US military R&D, like DARPA projects (though DARPA didn't always exist in its present form way back then). This is because huge amounts of money flow into these projects, not because the Air Force captured a UFO.

My opinion is that when we finally do make contact with an alien species, it will most likely be some kind of bacteria or single-celled organisms.

Originally posted by SouthernSON
www.foxnews.com...

Its on Fox it must be true

Originally posted by theyareoutthere
Hey, look at some of my UFO video footage. Then tell me that there are no Extraterrestrials visiting us.
www.youtube.com...

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Speeds OFF you are joking aren't you you call that speed also the plane was not even close to it ,typical youtube bs video.
Your ufo could easily be another aircraft its so far away loved when you panned past the tree and it loooks like the autofocus is hunting for focus.

reply to post by Schrecken Licht


Today's "science" is only the introduction of tomorrow's one. Read my post above to see what I think about what you've just said.

This is what I've dug up in 20 minutes. ...and this just covers the first two 'quotes'.

I think much more homework needs to be done by posters who perpetuate lies as truth.

1) Cady Coleman

www.qtm.net...

This article was sent to me.
It is published by a group called ORTK. This work comes from the original work of ORTK.
Thanxz.

UFOS GET MENTION ON NASA STS-73 MISSION
by Dan Pinchas

On Oct. 21, 1995, at 2:05 a.m. EST, NASA mission STS-73 aboard Space Shuttle Columbia apparently encountered a UFO in space. As viewed on cable television transmissions from the mission, a female astronaut is clearly heard saying, "We have an unidentified flying object." This is then followed by nearly 15 minutes of silence, while a female astronaut (either Kathryn Thornton, Payload Commander or Catherine (Cady) Coleman, Mission Specialist) is shown in lab view by the camera.

A call to the public information office at Goddard Space Flight Center, Greenbelt, Maryland, elicited the response that no one in that office was aware of any such comments made during the course of the STS-73 mission. ORTK Board Member Don Ratsch (who taped the relevant transmission) has written his Congressman and Senators to find out more about the circumstances of this revealing quote. He reports having made no progress thus far in this effort. A copy of the tape was also forwarded to a researcher in Houston to be shown to personnel at the Johnson Space Flight Center.

An investigation into this apparent NASA UFO encounter in space is continuing. We will report any further developments concerning this case as they develop.

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YouTube movie where the words are heard: "We have an unidentified flying object."

www.youtube.com...

2) Maurice Chatelain

www.ronrecord.com...

"when James Oberg contacted Chatelain's employers he learned that Chatelain was no longer employed by them when Apollo 11 landed on the moon. If he was no longer an employee of a NASA sub-contractor then he could not have been present in any so-called "secret room" where he could overhear the confidential communications of the astronauts on the lunar surface. He was a low-level engineer who worked for a NASA sub-contractor who built the Apollo communications systems. His status as the "head of communications" (as some UFOlogists have claimed), is entirely false."



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www.debunker.com...

... But the stories crossed the Atlantic into a French UFO book, and then came back home reinforced and newly authenticated in Maurice Chatelain's Our Ancestors Came From Outer Space (Doubleday, 1978). According to the author, who claimed to be an ex-NASA space scientist (actually, he had worked for a space contractor in Los Angeles for several years): "The astronauts. . . saw things during their missions that could not be discussed with anybody outside NASA. It is very difficult to obtain any specific information from NASA, which still exercises a very strict control over any disclosures of these events...It seems that all Apollo and Gemini flights were followed...by space vehicles of extraterrestrial origin...Every time it occurred, the astronauts informed Mission Control, who then ordered absolute silence...."

Chatelain specifically mentions Apollo-11, which "made the first moon landing on the Sea of Tranquillity and, only moments before Armstrong stepped down the ladder to set foot on the moon, two UFOs hovered overhead. Edwin Aldrin took several pictures of them...."

Even more sensational was the claim for the Apollo-13 flight: "There was some talk that the Apollo 13 mission carried a nuclear device aboard that could be set off to make measurements of the infrastructure of the moon and whose detonations would show on the charts of several recording seismographs placed in different locations. The unexplained explosion of an oxygen tank in the service module of Apollo 13 on its flight to the moon, according to rumors, was caused deliberately by a UFO that was following the capsule to prevent the (nuclear) detonation...."

Of course, the cause of the explosion was found by NASA later, and there was no nuclear device--rumors of UFO attacks are absurd. But that's no reason for some UFO people not to pass on and embellish such stories, as we'll see. ...

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I just wish I had time to check out the other, no doubt 'truthful' quotes.

Cheers.